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  Jessie or stretch for server Dan <ganchya@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 14:30 +0100
    Re: Jessie or stretch for server Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> - 2017-01-12 14:40 +0100
    Re: Jessie or stretch for server Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2017-01-12 15:10 +0100
    Re: Jessie or stretch for server Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2017-01-12 15:30 +0100
      Re: Jessie or stretch for server Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 20:40 +0100
    Re: Jessie or stretch for server Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 20:50 +0100
      Re: Jessie or stretch for server Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-01-12 21:20 +0100
        Re: Jessie or stretch for server "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2017-01-12 21:50 +0100
    Re: Jessie or stretch for server kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 03:30 +0100

#176609 — Jessie or stretch for server

Hi,

I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
to Internet.

Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
in the packages, only security/bug updates.

In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
become "stable". Is that correct?

If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.

Thanks,
Daniel

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#176610

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Dan:
> 
> In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> become "stable". Is that correct?

If you use "stretch" in the sources.list (instead of "testing"), then
yes, your stretch installation will stay at stretch.

> If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.

Jessie is going to have security support for about a year after the
release of stretch:

https://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

J.
-- 
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#176611

On 01/12/2017 03:25 PM, Dan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
> small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
> to Internet.
> 
> Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. 

If the server will be used by developers only then you can install
either version - 8 or 9, but if it will be production server then stable
is better than testing.

My
> understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
> versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
> in the packages, only security/bug updates.
> 
> In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> become "stable". Is that correct?

A freeze period usually takes at least 6 months so I wouldn't say "a few
months".

HTH

Kind regards
Georgi

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#176612

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 02:25:30PM +0100, Dan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
> small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
> to Internet.
> 
> Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
> understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
> versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
> in the packages, only security/bug updates.
> 
> In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> become "stable". Is that correct?
> 
> If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
> 

I almost always pick "stable". The only question you have to ask yourself:
Will "stable" cover all of my requirements? If you can answer "yes" to this
go with stable.

Changes in strech can be as interrupting as having to upgrade _once_. So
there is no benefit just because you might have to "upgrade soon".

-H


-- 
Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#176624

On 2017-01-12, Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 02:25:30PM +0100, Dan wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
>> small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
>> to Internet.
>> 
>> Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
>> understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
>> versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
>> in the packages, only security/bug updates.
>> 
>> In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
>> become "stable". Is that correct?
>> 
>> If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel
>> 
>
> I almost always pick "stable". The only question you have to ask yourself:
> Will "stable" cover all of my requirements? If you can answer "yes" to this
> go with stable.
>
> Changes in strech can be as interrupting as having to upgrade _once_. So
> there is no benefit just because you might have to "upgrade soon".
>
> -H
>
>

I completely agree. Bear in mind too that jessie will continue to be
supported for at least one year after the release of stretch. There will
be no immediate pressure to upgrade.

-- 

Liam

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#176626

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:25:30 +0100 Dan <ganchya@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
> small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
> to Internet.
> 
> Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
> understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
> versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
> in the packages, only security/bug updates.

Jessie.  It's rock solid.  It's had years of bug and security fixes
under its belt. Stretch is still in development. It's not even frozen,
yet. That's tentatively scheduled for February.

> In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> become "stable". Is that correct?

More than a few.  I expect it to become "stable" toward the end of this
year, if luck smiles on it.

> If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.

Why?  Just because Stretch is the newest?  Or is it because, Jessie
Is "old?"  "New" doesn't necessarily mean "better."  Just
because it's old stable, doesn't mean it stops working.  I'm still
using Wheezy. Works fine 99.9% of the time. (For example, I can't play
Netflix on it. libnss3 library too old.)  It still gets security
updates and bug fixes under the extended support program, and will
continue to do so until Stretch is released as the new stable. 

Besides, you can always dist-upgrade "in situ," when or if, it becomes
necessary.

B

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#176627

On Thu 12 Jan 2017 at 11:43:02 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:25:30 +0100 Dan <ganchya@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
> > small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
> > to Internet.
> > 
> > Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
> > understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
> > versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
> > in the packages, only security/bug updates.
> 
> Jessie.  It's rock solid.  It's had years of bug and security fixes
> under its belt. Stretch is still in development. It's not even frozen,
> yet. That's tentatively scheduled for February.

No real argument there. We have a fact or two.

> > In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> > become "stable". Is that correct?
> 
> More than a few.  I expect it to become "stable" toward the end of this
> year, if luck smiles on it.

Sorry to use technical language, but your expectations are bollocks.

Now you can produce a stream of argument which supports your "end of
this year" assertion.

> > If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.
> 
> Why?  Just because Stretch is the newest?  Or is it because, Jessie
> Is "old?"  "New" doesn't necessarily mean "better."  Just
> because it's old stable, doesn't mean it stops working.  I'm still
> using Wheezy. Works fine 99.9% of the time. (For example, I can't play
> Netflix on it. libnss3 library too old.)  It still gets security

That's a 100% failure for Netfix users.

> updates and bug fixes under the extended support program, and will
> continue to do so until Stretch is released as the new stable. 

Wheezy doesn't get bug fixes (not in the sense you imply).
 
> Besides, you can always dist-upgrade "in situ," when or if, it becomes
> necessary.

If "new" in Debian doesn't mean "better", what does it mean?

-- 
Brian.
 
> B
> 

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#176628

One of the advantages and disadvantages of the stable Debian distro is its
conservatism.  The advantage is that it is very stable and well tested.
The disadvantage is that you don't get the new cool features, but you
usually don't want those on a server anyway; and if you do, then there are
other distros that are probably more appropriate.

--------------------------|
John L. Ries              |
Salford Systems           |
Phone: (619)543-8880 x107 |
or     (435)867-8885      |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Brian wrote:

> On Thu 12 Jan 2017 at 11:43:02 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:25:30 +0100 Dan <ganchya@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
> > > small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
> > > to Internet.
> > >
> > > Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
> > > understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
> > > versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
> > > in the packages, only security/bug updates.
> >
> > Jessie.  It's rock solid.  It's had years of bug and security fixes
> > under its belt. Stretch is still in development. It's not even frozen,
> > yet. That's tentatively scheduled for February.
>
> No real argument there. We have a fact or two.
>
> > > In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> > > become "stable". Is that correct?
> >
> > More than a few.  I expect it to become "stable" toward the end of this
> > year, if luck smiles on it.
>
> Sorry to use technical language, but your expectations are bollocks.
>
> Now you can produce a stream of argument which supports your "end of
> this year" assertion.
>
> > > If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.
> >
> > Why?  Just because Stretch is the newest?  Or is it because, Jessie
> > Is "old?"  "New" doesn't necessarily mean "better."  Just
> > because it's old stable, doesn't mean it stops working.  I'm still
> > using Wheezy. Works fine 99.9% of the time. (For example, I can't play
> > Netflix on it. libnss3 library too old.)  It still gets security
>
> That's a 100% failure for Netfix users.
>
> > updates and bug fixes under the extended support program, and will
> > continue to do so until Stretch is released as the new stable.
>
> Wheezy doesn't get bug fixes (not in the sense you imply).
>
> > Besides, you can always dist-upgrade "in situ," when or if, it becomes
> > necessary.
>
> If "new" in Debian doesn't mean "better", what does it mean?
>
> --
> Brian.
>
> > B
> >
>
>

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#176639

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Dan <ganchya@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm going to install Debian on a file server (NFS and postgres) for a
> small group of people. It will be in an intranet, no direct connection
> to Internet.
>
> Should I install Jessie or Stretch? I've always used stable. My
> understanding is that at this point Stretch is quite stable, the
> versions of the packages won't change and there won't be major changes
> in the packages, only security/bug updates.
>
> In a few months the Stretch Debian installation will automatically
> become "stable". Is that correct?
>
> If I install Jessie I'll have to update very soon.

Others have already provided you with good answers. Going with Jessie
is the safe bet at the moment.

You might also find the FAQ I wrote many years ago on this very
subject http://kamarajukusumanchi.github.io/choosing_debian_distribution/choosing_debian_distribution.html
helpful. At that time Stable is called Sarge, Testing is called Etch.
Just substitute those words with Jessie and Stretch while reading it
and you should be fine! :)

hth
raju
-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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