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  Fresh install gives no graphical login Tama McGlinn <t.mcglinn@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 05:30 +0100
    Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-01-09 08:10 +0100
    Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2017-01-09 22:10 +0100
    Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 06:00 +0100
      Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2017-01-10 07:40 +0100
        Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 04:20 +0100
    Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-01-10 08:20 +0100

#176483 — Fresh install gives no graphical login

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Dear Debian volunteers,

I hope you can help me with a problem I've been experiencing since Debian
Jessie; After doing a new installation, debian boots, but only presents me
with a tty1 login screen, and no graphical session started. Here's what
I've tried so far:

-Different versions of debian: netinstall vs full CD, with and without
live, with and without nonfree, amd64 or i386 (it's an i7 I'm trying to
install to; I've done lots of googling and found many people asking how to
tell architecture type, but no real answers, so I'm going to stick with my
guess that amd64 is for 64 bit computers, and i386 is for 32 bit computers,
and all the rest are for uncommon architectures that I will never need.) -
that gives 16 possibilities, of which I have tried about half but every
option gives the same result.

-Different Methods of putting the iso on the usb stick: using `dd
if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sdc; sync` (after checking that's the one with
gparted or fdisk -l) ; right clicking the isofile and choosing "open with
disk image writer" and "restoring" to the usb stick ; using mkusb(-dus).
I'm doing this because my previous way, using unetbootin, is said to be
obsolete for the latest version of debian, and because it wasn't working.
(the error message led me to the article or question where I found it was
obsolete)

-Searching for other people with this problem; just a few results: Tried
`startx` and `xstart` - programs don't exist. `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
that file does not exist on the fresh install, it does on all my other
debian jessie installs which do work.

-Tried with 2 usb sticks, these have been used in the past to install
debian jessie to the same computer, (both of them - I install often) so I
don't know what is different but it's very unlikely both usb sticks have
become faulty.

I have a current workaround, which is to dd my current installation onto
the new harddisk, but I really want to have a clean install, which should
go through the installer.

I hope someone here can help me; the documentation is not very clear on how
to "write the iso to usb" and I suspect that is what I have done
incorrectly in this case.

Kind regards,
Tama

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#176485

On 1/8/2017 10:10 PM, Tama McGlinn wrote:
> Dear Debian volunteers,
>
> I hope you can help me with a problem I've been experiencing since Debian
> Jessie; After doing a new installation, debian boots, but only presents me
> with a tty1 login screen, and no graphical session started. Here's what
> I've tried so far:
>
> -Different versions of debian: netinstall vs full CD, with and without
> live, with and without nonfree, amd64 or i386 (it's an i7 I'm trying to
> install to; I've done lots of googling and found many people asking how to
> tell architecture type, but no real answers, so I'm going to stick with my
> guess that amd64 is for 64 bit computers, and i386 is for 32 bit computers,
> and all the rest are for uncommon architectures that I will never need.) -
> that gives 16 possibilities, of which I have tried about half but every
> option gives the same result.
>
> -Different Methods of putting the iso on the usb stick: using `dd
> if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sdc; sync` (after checking that's the one with
> gparted or fdisk -l) ; right clicking the isofile and choosing "open with
> disk image writer" and "restoring" to the usb stick ; using mkusb(-dus).
> I'm doing this because my previous way, using unetbootin, is said to be
> obsolete for the latest version of debian, and because it wasn't working.
> (the error message led me to the article or question where I found it was
> obsolete)
>
> -Searching for other people with this problem; just a few results: Tried
> `startx` and `xstart` - programs don't exist. `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
> that file does not exist on the fresh install, it does on all my other
> debian jessie installs which do work.
>
> -Tried with 2 usb sticks, these have been used in the past to install
> debian jessie to the same computer, (both of them - I install often) so I
> don't know what is different but it's very unlikely both usb sticks have
> become faulty.
>
> I have a current workaround, which is to dd my current installation onto
> the new harddisk, but I really want to have a clean install, which should
> go through the installer.
>
> I hope someone here can help me; the documentation is not very clear on how
> to "write the iso to usb" and I suspect that is what I have done
> incorrectly in this case.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tama
>

Due to bandwidth limitations I purchase DVD sets rather than 
downloading files.
However your description resembles I problem I had several years 
ago when ordering a live DVD. The description was unclear and I 
had erroneously assumed that all desktops were available on a 
single Live DVD. Of course the one I got hadn't specified a 
specific desktop as it was the CLI DVD ;)

What file did you download? from where?
Have you tried downloading by clicking on the box in upper right 
corner of
https://www.debian.org ?
HTH

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#176513

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Op Mon, 09 Jan 2017 05:10:11 +0100 schreef Tama McGlinn  
<t.mcglinn@gmail.com>:

> Dear Debian volunteers,
>
> I hope you can help me with a problem I've been experiencing since  
> Debian Jessie; After doing a new installation, debian >boots, but only  
> presents me with a tty1 login screen, and no graphical session started.  
> Here's what I've tried so far:
>
> -Different versions of debian: netinstall vs full CD, with and without  
> live, with and without nonfree, amd64 or i386 (it's >an i7 I'm trying to  
> install to; I've done lots of googling and found many people asking how  
> to tell architecture type, but >no real answers, so I'm going to stick  
> with my guess that amd64 is for 64 bit computers, and i386 is for 32 bit  
> computers, >and all the rest are for uncommon architectures that I will  
> never need.) - that gives 16 possibilities, of which I have >tried about  
> half but every option gives the same result.
>
> -Different Methods of putting the iso on the usb stick: using `dd  
> if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sdc; sync` (after checking that's >the one with  
> gparted or fdisk -l) ; right clicking the isofile and choosing "open  
> with disk image writer" and "restoring" to >the usb stick ; using  
> mkusb(-dus). I'm doing this because my previous way, using unetbootin,  
> is said to be obsolete for the >latest version of debian, and because it  
> wasn't working. (the error message led me to the article or question  
> where I found >it was obsolete)
>
> -Searching for other people with this problem; just a few results: Tried  
> `startx` and `xstart` - programs don't exist. `grep >EE  
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log` that file does not exist on the fresh install, it  
> does on all my other debian jessie installs which >do work.
>
> -Tried with 2 usb sticks, these have been used in the past to install  
> debian jessie to the same computer, (both of them - I >install often) so  
> I don't know what is different but it's very unlikely both usb sticks  
> have become faulty.
>
> I have a current workaround, which is to dd my current installation onto  
> the new harddisk, but I really want to have a clean >install, which  
> should go through the installer.
>
> I hope someone here can help me; the documentation is not very clear on  
> how to "write the iso to usb" and I suspect that is >what I have done  
> incorrectly in this case.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tama

If you have an internet connection available in tty1 you can install a  
desktop with:
(as root)
apt-get install tasksel
tasksel --list-tasks
choose your favorite desktop from the list and install it with:
tasksel install <favorite>-desktop

Floris

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#176528

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Tama McGlinn <t.mcglinn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Debian volunteers,
>
> I hope you can help me with a problem I've been experiencing since Debian
> Jessie; After doing a new installation, debian boots, but only presents me
> with a tty1 login screen, and no graphical session started.

As root, do the following
apt-get update
apt-get install task-kde-desktop lightdm

This will install the KDE desktop environment. There are many other
desktop environments available in Debian. But for new users, I always
recommend KDE as it has all the bells and whistles that one can think
of. The only downside with KDE is that it will occupy more space and
requires memory to run.

hope that helps
raju
-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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#176532

One of the bells and whistles kde hasn't got is anything approaching a 
screen reader that works as well as orca does in gnome/mate.  So for the 
new users out there who have never seen anything in this life kde is a 
no go unless I'm quite wrong about this and in that case I really would 
like to know how to get screen reading up and running on kde and where 
the documentation for it is on the internet.  By screen reading, I do 
not mean the ability to read files exclusively screen reading has speech 
or other accessible output happening all during the interactive session 
in which commands get entered and results from commands get spoken too. 
If anyone with vision could figure out how to get this working and 
document it somewhere on the internet this would close a huge 
accessibility hole for kde.  Best of all would be a kde-accessible 
debian install iso preferably of the firmware variety since that would 
have best chances for actually getting to the internet and completing an 
installation.  With such an iso, kde would get more use in the community 
needing screen readers and accessibility bugs remaining could then get 
reported specific to kde and perhaps squashed in time.

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:

> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 23:58:43
> From: kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com>
> To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: Fresh install gives no graphical login
> Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:59:19 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Tama McGlinn <t.mcglinn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Debian volunteers,
>>
>> I hope you can help me with a problem I've been experiencing since Debian
>> Jessie; After doing a new installation, debian boots, but only presents me
>> with a tty1 login screen, and no graphical session started.
>
> As root, do the following
> apt-get update
> apt-get install task-kde-desktop lightdm
>
> This will install the KDE desktop environment. There are many other
> desktop environments available in Debian. But for new users, I always
> recommend KDE as it has all the bells and whistles that one can think
> of. The only downside with KDE is that it will occupy more space and
> requires memory to run.
>
> hope that helps
> raju
>

-- 

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#176598

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> One of the bells and whistles kde hasn't got is anything approaching a
> screen reader that works as well as orca does in gnome/mate.  So for the new
> users out there who have never seen anything in this life kde is a no go
> unless I'm quite wrong about this and in that case I really would like to
> know how to get screen reading up and running on kde and where the
> documentation for it is on the internet.

If I understood you correctly, you are saying one should not recommend
KDE for new users because it does not have a screen reader? I disagree
with that type of logic unless there is an apriori information from
the OP that having a screen reader is one of his requirements. Blindly
assuming that every person needs a screen reader is more often wrong
than right.

Anyway, I did some digging and found that the task-kde-desktop package
recommends gnome-orca. That means if you install task-kde-desktop it
will pull gnome-orca, so you should have a working screen reader
within KDE.

 % apt-cache show task-kde-desktop | grep -i recommends
Recommends: kdeaccessibility, gnome-orca, k3b, k3b-i18n, plasma-nm,
kdesudo, libreoffice-kde, apper, gimp, firefox-esr | firefox,
libreoffice, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us,
hyphen-en-us, system-config-printer, dragonplayer

hope that helps
raju
-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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#176535

Tama McGlinn composed on 2017-01-09 17:10 (UTC+1300):

> I hope you can help me with a problem I've been experiencing since Debian
> Jessie; After doing a new installation, debian boots, but only presents me
> with a tty1 login screen, and no graphical session started.
That you reached this point means you have a successful installation that is 
simply incomplete for your needs, which means specifically how you are creating 
your installation media hasn't been a material issue.

Depending on which desktop environment you are used to using, you might wish to 
try TDE, which is a mature fork of KDE3, reliable and far less demanding of the 
hardware when KDE5 or other newer DEs like Gnome. Once you can login on any tty 
and have network working you can add whatever is missing, including any of the 
standard Debian DEs/WMs, only of which I ever install, and only rarely use 
(IceWM). My standard Debian installation produces what you see, after which I 
install TDE.

	https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall
  > Here's what I've tried so far:

> -Different versions of debian: netinstall vs full CD, with and without
> live, with and without nonfree, amd64 or i386 (it's an i7 I'm trying to
 > install to;

How old is this target PC? Could it be new enough that a standard Jessie is too 
old to support it? If so, give Stretch a try It's fairly well along the path to 
release.

> I've done lots of googling and found many people asking how to
> tell architecture type, but no real answers, so I'm going to stick with my
> guess that amd64 is for 64 bit computers, and i386 is for 32 bit computers,

As far as you went, correct. More specifically, i386 is for any 32-bit Intel 
"386"-compatible CPU (e.g. Pentium III, Pentium IV, Athlon XP, etc.) while amd64 
is for any 64-bit AMD64-compatible CPU, which includes late Intel Pentium IV, 
Intel Core series, and i3/i5/i7 series like you have.

> -Searching for other people with this problem; just a few results: Tried
> `startx` and `xstart` - programs don't exist. `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
> that file does not exist on the fresh install, it does on all my other
> debian jessie installs which do work.

Which DE(s) are those other installs running? Mate? Plasma? Gnome? XFCE? Which 
processors are those machines using? Do you know which DE you do want?

> I hope someone here can help me; the documentation is not very clear on how
> to "write the iso to usb" and I suspect that is what I have done
> incorrectly in this case.

Again, I think how you've gone about creating installation media has nothing to 
do with the incomplete installation result you've experienced. More likely this 
is either a case of hardware newer than the Jessie version of Debian supports, 
or a successful minimal installation that simply needs more work to complete, 
either as I suggested above, or as Floris suggested hours ago in thread, by 
using tasksel.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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