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  Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-30 18:20 +0100
    Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-12-31 04:10 +0100
      Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-31 10:20 +0100
        Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-12-31 11:30 +0100
          Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-31 14:00 +0100
            Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-12-31 15:10 +0100
              Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-31 16:00 +0100
                Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-01-01 17:00 +0100
                  INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem  on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-01-02 03:20 +0100
                    Re: INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan"  problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-01-02 13:50 +0100
                      Re: INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 14:00 +0100
                      Re: INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan"  problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad] Anthony Baldwin <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com> - 2017-01-02 14:30 +0100
            **MY INTERIM NOTES** Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a  Lenovo T430 Thinkpad Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-31 15:40 +0100

#176118 — Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad

I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died to a 
fan failure.
I've installed a minimal Jessie including what installer 
considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE.

I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools".
An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned 
error exit status 1".
I checked for airflow - there was NONE.
Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature 
decreased with time.
I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan.
Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, 
No file name for thinkfan:i386".

Two questions:

1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. 
Noise &/or power consumption is not important.

2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions?

TIA

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#176134

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:14:06 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

>I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died to a 
>fan failure.
>I've installed a minimal Jessie including what installer 
>considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE.
>
>I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools".
>An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned 
>error exit status 1".
>I checked for airflow - there was NONE.
>Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature 
>decreased with time.
>I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan.
>Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, 
>No file name for thinkfan:i386".
>
>Two questions:
>
>1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. 
>Noise &/or power consumption is not important.
>
>2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions?
>
>TIA
>


ThinkWiki has been a great resource for me and my T520. It has sources
for special drivers as well as directions on making things work.

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T_Series

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#176143

On 12/30/2016 9:08 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:14:06 -0600
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>> I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died to a
>> fan failure.
>> I've installed a minimal Jessie including what installer
>> considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE.
>>
>> I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools".
>> An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned
>> error exit status 1".
>> I checked for airflow - there was NONE.
>> Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature
>> decreased with time.
>> I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan.
>> Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error,
>> No file name for thinkfan:i386".
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed.
>> Noise &/or power consumption is not important.
>>
>> 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>
>
> ThinkWiki has been a great resource for me and my T520. It has sources
> for special drivers as well as directions on making things work.
>
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T_Series
>

There is lots of information there. Whether I can understand it 
well enough to use is another question.

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed had said:
# echo level 4 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan (medium speed)
which resulted in
bash: echo: write error: invalid argument

I suspect the error messages I quoted in my original post give 
the needed information.
I don't have a clue what they mean.

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#176149

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:
> # echo level 4 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan (medium speed)
> which resulted in
> bash: echo: write error: invalid argument

If you added "(medium speed)" to the command line, then this would be wrong.
But i get
  -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
when i try to do this with a regular file address after ">".

By googling i found this candidate:

  http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/82246/how-to-control-thinkpad-acpi-via-procfs-rhel-6-4

  "# echo 5 >/proc/acpi/ibm/fan
   bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument"

  "Fan control operations are disabled by default for safety reasons.
   To enable fan control, the module parameter fan_control=1 must be given
   to thinkpad-acpi. [... detailed instructions ...]"

  "Thanks, that was it."


> I suspect the error messages I quoted in my original post give the needed
> information.
> ... > "thinkfan post installation script returned error exit status 1".
> ... > "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, No file name for thinkfan:i386". 

One should of course try to find out what is supposed to be installed
by package "thinkfan" and why your Debian does not find it on the
attempt to install it explicitely.
There is a package "thinkfan" and it gets built for i386:
  https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=thinkfan

  https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
at the end of paragraph 7.6 says that the failed "post installation script"
should be on your machine in
  /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst

So what do you get from
  ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*

If there is a thinkfan.postinst : What is its content ?


*.postinst in general riddles me. I can see a file acpi-support-base.postinst
in 
  https://sources.debian.net/src/acpi-support/0.142-8/debian/
but no bc.postinst in
  https://sources.debian.net/src/bc/1.06.95-9/debian/
although both .postinst files exist on my Debian 8.
The ./debian directory of package "thinkfan"
  https://sources.debian.net/src/thinkfan/0.9.3-1/debian/
does not have a file thinkpad.postinst either.
So there seem to be automats which produce .postinst at packaging time.

(I need to read more Debian packager manuals ...)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#176151

On 12/31/2016 4:26 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> # echo level 4 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan (medium speed)
>> which resulted in
>> bash: echo: write error: invalid argument
>
> If you added "(medium speed)" to the command line, then this would be wrong.
> But i get
>    -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
> when i try to do this with a regular file address after ">".
>
> By googling i found this candidate:
>
>    http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/82246/how-to-control-thinkpad-acpi-via-procfs-rhel-6-4
>
>    "# echo 5 >/proc/acpi/ibm/fan
>     bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument"
>
>    "Fan control operations are disabled by default for safety reasons.
>     To enable fan control, the module parameter fan_control=1 must be given
>     to thinkpad-acpi. [... detailed instructions ...]"
>
>    "Thanks, that was it."
>
>
>> I suspect the error messages I quoted in my original post give the needed
>> information.
>> ... > "thinkfan post installation script returned error exit status 1".
>> ... > "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, No file name for thinkfan:i386".
>
> One should of course try to find out what is supposed to be installed
> by package "thinkfan" and why your Debian does not find it on the
> attempt to install it explicitely.
> There is a package "thinkfan" and it gets built for i386:
>    https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=thinkfan
>
>    https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
> at the end of paragraph 7.6 says that the failed "post installation script"
> should be on your machine in
>    /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
>
> So what do you get from
>    ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*
>
> If there is a thinkfan.postinst : What is its content ?
>
>
> *.postinst in general riddles me. I can see a file acpi-support-base.postinst
> in
>    https://sources.debian.net/src/acpi-support/0.142-8/debian/
> but no bc.postinst in
>    https://sources.debian.net/src/bc/1.06.95-9/debian/
> although both .postinst files exist on my Debian 8.
> The ./debian directory of package "thinkfan"
>    https://sources.debian.net/src/thinkfan/0.9.3-1/debian/
> does not have a file thinkpad.postinst either.
> So there seem to be automats which produce .postinst at packaging time.
>
> (I need to read more Debian packager manuals ...)
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>


 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
at the end of paragraph 7.6 says that the failed "post 
installation script"
should be on your machine in
   /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst

So what do you get from
   ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*

I get:
root@debian:~# ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*
/var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.conffiles 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.list 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.md5sums 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.prerm
root@debian:~#


If there is a thinkfan.postinst : What is its content ?

It exists and the content is:
<begin quote>
#!/bin/sh
set -e
# Automatically added by dh_installinit
if [ -x "/etc/init.d/thinkfan" ]; then
	update-rc.d thinkfan defaults >/dev/null
	invoke-rc.d thinkfan start || exit $?
fi
# End automatically added section
</end quote>

Now to read the links you gave.
Thank you.

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#176155

Hi,

> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
> ...
> if [ -x "/etc/init.d/thinkfan" ]; then
>         update-rc.d thinkfan defaults >/dev/null
>         invoke-rc.d thinkfan start || exit $?
> fi

Looks like an attempt to register and start thinkfan with the old init
system. Is this appropriate for your system ?

If you really use sysV init rather than systemd, you should check whether
there are links
  /etc/rc*.d/*thinkfan
pointing to file
  /etc/init.d/thinkfan

If you use systemd, then there is the riddle why there is an executable
file /etc/init.d/thinkfan.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

The script
  https://sources.debian.net/src/thinkfan/0.9.3-1/rcscripts/thinkfan.init
when run with argument "start" executes

  start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/thinkfan.pid --exec /usr/sbin/thinkfan

So

  ps -ef | grep thinkfan

should tell whether the daemon is running or whether you have to start
it on your own (most probably as superuser).


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#176159

On 12/31/2016 8:08 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
>> ...
>> if [ -x "/etc/init.d/thinkfan" ]; then
>>          update-rc.d thinkfan defaults >/dev/null
>>          invoke-rc.d thinkfan start || exit $?
>> fi
>
> Looks like an attempt to register and start thinkfan with the old init
> system. Is this appropriate for your system ?
>
> If you really use sysV init rather than systemd, you should check whether
> there are links
>    /etc/rc*.d/*thinkfan
> pointing to file
>    /etc/init.d/thinkfan
>
> If you use systemd, then there is the riddle why there is an executable
> file /etc/init.d/thinkfan.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The script
>    https://sources.debian.net/src/thinkfan/0.9.3-1/rcscripts/thinkfan.init
> when run with argument "start" executes
>
>    start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/thinkfan.pid --exec /usr/sbin/thinkfan
>
> So
>
>    ps -ef | grep thinkfan
>
> should tell whether the daemon is running or whether you have to start
> it on your own (most probably as superuser).
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas


One of your links lead to 
https://sources.debian.net/src/thinkfan/0.9.3-1/debian/README.Debian/ 
which I think agrees with you.

One thing that continues to bother me is that thinkfan is 
disabled by default because an improper parameter could damage 
the computer. If that is true, why isn't the fan always on? The 
documentation I've found indicates it's original motivation was 
to reduce power consumption and acoustic noise. ??? ;/

More later.

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#176203

On 12/31/2016 8:50 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> One thing that continues to bother me is that thinkfan is
> disabled by default because an improper parameter could damage
> the computer. If that is true, why isn't the fan always on? The
> documentation I've found indicates it's original motivation was
> to reduce power consumption and acoustic noise. ??? ;/
>

A comment on another forum prompted me to run a Live Jesse MATE 
on my T43 (a dedicated Windows box). The fan speed actually 
increased. That gave me confidence to run some additional test on 
the T430. Caught the fan running once. Ran my existing install 
for about an hour without catching fan running. Quit and 
immediately booted Windows. Fan ran and exhaust air seemed safely 
cool. I'll do a complete reload after chasing down appropriate 
monitoring apps.

Thinkfan may be having problems. But something seems to be 
keeping me in safe territory.

More later.

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#176243 — INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad]

On 1/1/2017 9:55 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/31/2016 8:50 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> One thing that continues to bother me is that thinkfan is
>> disabled by default because an improper parameter could damage
>> the computer. If that is true, why isn't the fan always on? The
>> documentation I've found indicates it's original motivation was
>> to reduce power consumption and acoustic noise. ??? ;/
>>
>
> A comment on another forum prompted me to run a Live Jesse MATE
> on my T43 (a dedicated Windows box). The fan speed actually
> increased. That gave me confidence to run some additional test on
> the T430. Caught the fan running once. Ran my existing install
> for about an hour without catching fan running. Quit and
> immediately booted Windows. Fan ran and exhaust air seemed safely
> cool. I'll do a complete reload after chasing down appropriate
> monitoring apps.
>
> Thinkfan may be having problems. But something seems to be
> keeping me in safe territory.
>
> More later.

>

Wiped existing installs. Did standard full install with MATE 
desktop without print server or activation of networking. Added 
mate-system-tools and mate-sensors-applet (which is now 
displaying core temperatures). This sequence did *NOT* install 
thinkfan. However it is obvious that something is triggering the 
fan when a core temperature hits ~40 deg C.

I'll not pursue the installation of thinkfan as I see no benefit 
and do see the possibility of breaking something. I'll continue 
to investigate the various display and logging apps available.

Gkrellm {http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/} has been recommended and is 
in the repositories. I'll try it out.

Thanks to all.

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#176250 — Re: INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad]

On 2017-01-02, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> I'll not pursue the installation of thinkfan as I see no benefit 
> and do see the possibility of breaking something. I'll continue 
> to investigate the various display and logging apps available.

Please note that to us serious man page writers the difference between trouble shooting 
a thinkfan and troubleshooting a thinkfan can be of mortal import.

> Gkrellm {http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/} has been recommended and is 
> in the repositories. I'll try it out.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
>


-- 
“It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.”
Franz Kafka

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#176251 — Re: INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad]

On Monday 02 January 2017 12:43:15 Curt wrote:
> On 2017-01-02, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> > I'll not pursue the installation of thinkfan as I see no benefit
> > and do see the possibility of breaking something. I'll continue
> > to investigate the various display and logging apps available.
>
> Please note that to us serious man page writers the difference between
> trouble shooting a thinkfan and troubleshooting a thinkfan can be of mortal
> import.

LOL! :-))

>
> > Gkrellm {http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/} has been recommended and is
> > in the repositories. I'll try it out.
> >
> > Thanks to all.

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#176253 — Re: INTERIM Resolution - was [Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad]

On 01/02/2017 07:43 AM, Curt wrote:
> On 2017-01-02, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'll not pursue the installation of thinkfan as I see no benefit
>> and do see the possibility of breaking something. I'll continue
>> to investigate the various display and logging apps available.
>
> Please note that to us serious man page writers the difference between trouble shooting
> a thinkfan and troubleshooting a thinkfan can be of mortal import.


<Lol>I'm having trouble shooting my landlord... If only he'd stand still 
when he comes looking for the rent, same problem with ex-wife who won't 
stand still...</Lol>

>
>> Gkrellm {http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/} has been recommended and is
>> in the repositories. I'll try it out.
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>>
>
>

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#176158 — **MY INTERIM NOTES** Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad

On 12/31/2016 6:50 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/31/2016 4:26 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> # echo level 4 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan (medium speed)
>>> which resulted in
>>> bash: echo: write error: invalid argument
>>
>> If you added "(medium speed)" to the command line, then this
>> would be wrong.
>> But i get
>>    -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
>> when i try to do this with a regular file address after ">".
>>
>> By googling i found this candidate:
>>
>>
>> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/82246/how-to-control-thinkpad-acpi-via-procfs-rhel-6-4
>>
>>
>>    "# echo 5 >/proc/acpi/ibm/fan
>>     bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument"
>>
>>    "Fan control operations are disabled by default for safety
>> reasons.
>>     To enable fan control, the module parameter fan_control=1
>> must be given
>>     to thinkpad-acpi. [... detailed instructions ...]"
>>
>>    "Thanks, that was it."
>>
>>
>>> I suspect the error messages I quoted in my original post give
>>> the needed
>>> information.
>>> ... > "thinkfan post installation script returned error exit
>>> status 1".
>>> ... > "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, No file name
>>> for thinkfan:i386".
>>
>> One should of course try to find out what is supposed to be
>> installed
>> by package "thinkfan" and why your Debian does not find it on the
>> attempt to install it explicitely.
>> There is a package "thinkfan" and it gets built for i386:
>>    https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=thinkfan
>>
>>
>> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
>>
>> at the end of paragraph 7.6 says that the failed "post
>> installation script"
>> should be on your machine in
>>    /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
>>
>> So what do you get from
>>    ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*
>>
>> If there is a thinkfan.postinst : What is its content ?
>>
>>
>> *.postinst in general riddles me. I can see a file
>> acpi-support-base.postinst
>> in
>>    https://sources.debian.net/src/acpi-support/0.142-8/debian/
>> but no bc.postinst in
>>    https://sources.debian.net/src/bc/1.06.95-9/debian/
>> although both .postinst files exist on my Debian 8.
>> The ./debian directory of package "thinkfan"
>>    https://sources.debian.net/src/thinkfan/0.9.3-1/debian/
>> does not have a file thinkpad.postinst either.
>> So there seem to be automats which produce .postinst at
>> packaging time.
>>
>> (I need to read more Debian packager manuals ...)
>>
>>
>> Have a nice day :)
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>
>
>
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
> at the end of paragraph 7.6 says that the failed "post
> installation script"
> should be on your machine in
>    /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
>
> So what do you get from
>    ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*
>
> I get:
> root@debian:~# ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.*
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.conffiles
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.md5sums
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/thinkfan.prerm
> root@debian:~#
>
>
> If there is a thinkfan.postinst : What is its content ?
>
> It exists and the content is:
> <begin quote>
> #!/bin/sh
> set -e
> # Automatically added by dh_installinit
> if [ -x "/etc/init.d/thinkfan" ]; then
>      update-rc.d thinkfan defaults >/dev/null
>      invoke-rc.d thinkfan start || exit $?
> fi
> # End automatically added section
> </end quote>
>
> Now to read the links you gave.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>

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