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  Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 15:40 +0100
    Re: Pendrive computer Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-12-28 16:50 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-28 19:30 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-29 03:40 +0100
          Re: Pendrive computer Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2016-12-29 05:40 +0100
          Re: Pendrive computer Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 14:00 +0100
            Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-29 14:40 +0100
              Re: Pendrive computer John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 15:20 +0100
            Re: Pendrive computer Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-29 18:50 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 21:50 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-12-28 23:10 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 21:50 +0100
    Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-28 19:10 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-12-28 19:30 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 22:00 +0100
          Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-29 04:30 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-12-28 22:00 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 22:00 +0100
        Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-28 21:20 +0100
    Re: Pendrive computer Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-12-28 19:20 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 21:50 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 22:00 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-28 21:20 +0100
    Re: Pendrive computer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-12-28 23:10 +0100
      Re: Pendrive computer deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 23:40 +0100

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#176008 — Pendrive computer

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following 
(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any 
Linux) on it?

Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?

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#176010

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

>Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following 
>(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any 
>Linux) on it?
>
>Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
>

This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/

They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.

I have not personally tried these.

- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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#176019

On 12/28/2016 9:20 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
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> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
> rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following
>> (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any
>> Linux) on it?
>>
>> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
>>
>
> This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/

Did you have an explicit product in mind?
They obviously have the technical expertise to meet my needs.
However their obvious target audience is OEM &/or mass marketers.

What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with 
PDA's of a decade ago.
The "application" specific compute power would be satisfied by 
equivalent of a 2 MHz Z80A with <= 640k of RAM. I do not have the 
expertise to estimate how much compute power that would be 
required to drive a current touch screen display.

Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form 
factor is terminally CLUNKY. Besides which I'm looking for an 
"off the shelf" solution.
>
> They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.
>
> I have not personally tried these.
>
> -

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#176020

On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
>> PDA's of a decade ago.
>
> I think they're called 'smartphones'.

Hardware wise,  if all cell network connectivity was removed - OK.
It would have to be delivered as a "rooted" device so I could 
install only the software that I actually wanted rather than what 
some marketer that never met me just knew I desperately needed.

IOW I want Linux, *NOT* Windows ;/

>
>>
>> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
>> factor is terminally CLUNKY.
>
> That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
> makes them useful in the real world.

They serve a significant market. I'm just not part of that market.
Using software as an analogy, my world view resembles the target 
audience of "Linux From Scratch" &/or Slackware but I'm willing 
to trade some of that flexibility for the convenience of Debian's 
repository of precompiled and tested software.

>
>> Besides which I'm looking for an
>> "off the shelf" solution.
>
> To which *precise* problem?
>

Me ;} Think in terms of Greek archetypes.

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#176043

On 29/12/16 15:31, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
>>> PDA's of a decade ago.
>> I think they're called 'smartphones'.
> Hardware wise,  if all cell network connectivity was removed - OK.

Remove or do not install a SIM. WiFi will continue to work and can be 
turned on and off as you please.

> It would have to be delivered as a "rooted" device so I could install
> only the software that I actually wanted rather than what some marketer
> that never met me just knew I desperately needed.

Purchase an Android device designed to be rooted, such as one of the 
Google Nexus range (developer mode unlocks the bootloader). Install a 
cruft-free third-party ROM based on AOSP, for example, CyanogenMod. Note 
that CyanogenMod is currently in transition to LineageOS and many 
services are down.

If you object to installing Google Play services, do not install Open 
GApps. In any case, you can use F-Droid:
https://f-droid.org/

I do not know if there are vendors who will deliver a pre-rooted smartphone.

> IOW I want Linux, *NOT* Windows ;/

My Nexus 5X is running CyanogenMod 13.0 (Android 6.0.1 "Marshmallow") on 
Linux 3.10.73.

adb, fastboot, and MTP file transfer work fine on Debian unstable. These 
were sufficient to install and upgrade CyanogenMod.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#176058

On Thursday 29 December 2016 02:31:49 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
> >
> > Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
> >> PDA's of a decade ago.
> >
> > I think they're called 'smartphones'.
>
> Hardware wise,  if all cell network connectivity was removed - OK.
> It would have to be delivered as a "rooted" device so I could
> install only the software that I actually wanted rather than what
> some marketer that never met me just knew I desperately needed.
>
> IOW I want Linux, *NOT* Windows ;/
>
> >> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
> >> factor is terminally CLUNKY.
> >
> > That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
> > makes them useful in the real world.
>
> They serve a significant market. I'm just not part of that market.
> Using software as an analogy, my world view resembles the target
> audience of "Linux From Scratch" &/or Slackware but I'm willing
> to trade some of that flexibility for the convenience of Debian's
> repository of precompiled and tested software.
>
> >> Besides which I'm looking for an
> >> "off the shelf" solution.
> >
> > To which *precise* problem?
>
> Me ;} Think in terms of Greek archetypes.

Did you look that up before you used it???  You are most emphatically NOT a 
Greek archetype.   You are, according to you, sui generis, one off, 
unique.  ;-)

Lisi

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#176060

On 12/29/2016 6:58 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 29 December 2016 02:31:49 Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
>>>
>>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>>> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
>>>> PDA's of a decade ago.
>>>
>>> I think they're called 'smartphones'.
>>
>> Hardware wise,  if all cell network connectivity was removed - OK.
>> It would have to be delivered as a "rooted" device so I could
>> install only the software that I actually wanted rather than what
>> some marketer that never met me just knew I desperately needed.
>>
>> IOW I want Linux, *NOT* Windows ;/
>>
>>>> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
>>>> factor is terminally CLUNKY.
>>>
>>> That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
>>> makes them useful in the real world.
>>
>> They serve a significant market. I'm just not part of that market.
>> Using software as an analogy, my world view resembles the target
>> audience of "Linux From Scratch" &/or Slackware but I'm willing
>> to trade some of that flexibility for the convenience of Debian's
>> repository of precompiled and tested software.
>>
>>>> Besides which I'm looking for an
>>>> "off the shelf" solution.
>>>
>>> To which *precise* problem?
>>
>> Me ;} Think in terms of Greek archetypes.
>
> Did you look that up before you used it???  You are most emphatically NOT a
> Greek archetype.   You are, according to you, sui generis, one off,
> unique.  ;-)
>

That didn't come of as intended. I'd had a long day. I've been 
more often referred to as peculiar rather than unique.

I meant to say that I was aiming at an archetypal PDA.

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#176062

Richard writes:
> I meant to say that I was aiming at an archetypal PDA.

That would be the Newton.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#176067

Lisi Reisz schreef op 29-12-2016 13:58:
> On Thursday 29 December 2016 02:31:49 Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
>> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
>> >
>> > Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

>> >> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
>> >> factor is terminally CLUNKY.
>> >
>> > That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
>> > makes them useful in the real world.


Bit late to the party here (I deleted the other messages, just clean up 
regularly, no time, etc.).

But the original RaspBerry Pi was not a clunky unit. They just betrayed 
their own form factor because they wanted to add more ports, and kept 
turning it into something that it originally was not. The RaspBerry Pi 
model A is definitely not a clunky but rather an elegant unit.

However they barely redesigned the form factor while adding dual USB 
ports and of course the ethernet port. This resulted in the clunkyness 
but this is just because they didn't really redesign their case, their 
form factor, to deal with the new ports that they originally perhaps had 
not anticipated or even consciously decided not to include.!

So the RaspBerry Pi we have now is like a malformed product because the 
original was perfect and then they added stuff that didn't belong there, 
but they didn't design the new (or redesign the new) form factor from 
the ground up with those ports in mind. So it is a bit of an ugly child, 
it has 3 arms but was only designed for 2.

That is why today it is too high with respect to its other dimensions.

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#176022

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 01:20:06 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 9:20 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
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> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
> > 
> > rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >> following (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried
> >> loading Debian (or any Linux) on it?
> >> 
> >> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> > 
> > This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
> > http://www.fit-pc.com/web/
> 
> Did you have an explicit product in mind?
> They obviously have the technical expertise to meet my needs.
> However their obvious target audience is OEM &/or mass marketers.
> 

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.



> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
> PDA's of a decade ago.
> The "application" specific compute power would be satisfied by
> equivalent of a 2 MHz Z80A with <= 640k of RAM. I do not have the
> expertise to estimate how much compute power that would be
> required to drive a current touch screen display.
> 
> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
> factor is terminally CLUNKY. Besides which I'm looking for an
> "off the shelf" solution.
> 
> > They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.
> > 
> > I have not personally tried these.
> > 
> > -

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#176026

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

>
> 
> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with 
> PDA's of a decade ago.

I think they're called 'smartphones'.

> 
> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form 
> factor is terminally CLUNKY.

That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
makes them useful in the real world.

> Besides which I'm looking for an 
> "off the shelf" solution.

To which *precise* problem?

-- 
Joe

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#176024

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:20:37 AM Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
> 
> rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> >Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >following (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading
> >Debian (or any Linux) on it?
> >
> >Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> 
> This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/
> 
> They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.
> 
> I have not personally tried these.

Charlie,

Thanks--although I see a picture of something that looks like it might be what 
I'm looking at, I don't see any description or price (despite looking at their 
long list of available products).


Oops, sorry, in the original post, I left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

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#176015

On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following

To just what was the referent of "the following"?
Is there a specific product that prompted your query?


> (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any
> Linux) on it?
>
> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?

Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a product 
specific reference.
If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured such 
a device. You started receiving requests from a market segment 
requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and the market 
wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.

>
>

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#176018

On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the 
>> following
>
>
> Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a product 
> specific reference.
> If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
> Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured such a 
> device. You started receiving requests from a market segment requiring 
> no additional hardware engineering costs and the market wanted a free 
> (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
>

Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with WIndows, but one model 
seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been discontinued).  The 
specs say that they only have drivers for Windows.  Google reports some 
install instructions for Ubuntu, but haven't found any for Debian.

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

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#176028

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 03:13:46 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
> >>> the following
> >> 
> >> Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
> >> product specific reference.
> >> If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
> >> Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
> >> such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
> >> segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
> >> the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
> > 
> > Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
> > model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
> > discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
> > Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
> > but haven't found any for Debian.
> 
> URL? ?? ???

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

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#176036

On 12/28/2016 2:50 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 03:13:46 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
>>>>> the following
>>>>
>>>> Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
>>>> product specific reference.
>>>> If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
>>>> Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
>>>> such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
>>>> segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
>>>> the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
>>>
>>> Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
>>> model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
>>> discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
>>> Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
>>> but haven't found any for Debian.
>>
>> URL? ?? ???
>
> Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:
>
> Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
> BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
> ab22-33e99d7aa8b4
>
> It looks like a USB pendrive.
>

Fascinating. That page has too much advertising hype to be 
attractive.
However, it prompted me to Google
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22compute+stick%22+%22touchscreen%22++linux+-windows
That gave some tantalizing links that I didn't have the time to 
explore.

To think out loud - how about a compute stick with battery in 
shirt pocket and a wireless connected touch screen in hand. See 
lots of possible problems. Worth mulling over.

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#176030

On 12/28/16 3:13 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
>>>> the following
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
>>> product specific reference.
>>> If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
>>> Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
>>> such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
>>> segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
>>> the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
>>>
>>
>> Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
>> model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
>> discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
>> Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
>> but haven't found any for Debian.
>>
>
> URL? ?? ???
>
Google:  "Intel Compute Stick"

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

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#176031

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 01:20:07 PM Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >> following
> > 
> > Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a product
> > specific reference.
> > If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
> > Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured such a
> > device. You started receiving requests from a market segment requiring
> > no additional hardware engineering costs and the market wanted a free
> > (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
> 
> Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with WIndows, but one model
> seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been discontinued).  The
> specs say that they only have drivers for Windows.  Google reports some
> install instructions for Ubuntu, but haven't found any for Debian.

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

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#176065

On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
>>> the following
>>
>>
>> Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
>> product specific reference.
>> If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
>> Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
>> such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
>> segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
>> the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
>>
>
> Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
> model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
> discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
> Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
> but haven't found any for Debian.
>

URL? ?? ???

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> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> following  (basically a computer on a stick / pendrive) and tried
> loading Debian (or any  Linux) on it?

> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?

Not sure what "computer on a stick" you're thinking of.
All the ones I've come across run Android rather than Windows.
Many of them can run Debian as well, tho ease of installation and amount
of support vary depending on the SoC in use etc...


        Stefan

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