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Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

Started byRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
First post2016-12-25 21:30 +0100
Last post2016-12-26 21:00 +0100
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  Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-25 21:30 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-25 23:00 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 23:00 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-25 23:10 +0100
      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-25 23:10 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 00:50 +0100
      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 08:50 +0100
        Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 11:20 +0100
          Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 13:30 +0100
            Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 17:10 +0100
              Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 17:30 +0100
                Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 17:50 +0100
            Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 20:40 +0100
              Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 20:50 +0100
                Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 21:10 +0100
                  Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 21:20 +0100
                    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 00:30 +0100
                    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-27 05:00 +0100
                      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2016-12-27 06:30 +0100
                      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-27 15:50 +0100
                        Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-27 20:00 +0100
                          [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-27 23:40 +0100
                            Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 23:50 +0100
                              Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where  defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-28 03:50 +0100
                                Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 04:20 +0100
            Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-26 21:00 +0100

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#175983

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2016-12-27 20:00 +0100
Message-ID<sT58B-5Ke-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#175978
On 12/27/2016 8:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/26/2016 9:56 PM, David Wright wrote:
>> On Mon 26 Dec 2016 at 14:10:16 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2016 2:02 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:46:15 -0600
>>>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Richard,
>>>>
>>>>> The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian
>>>>> 8.6.0 ;!
>>>>
>>>> An idea occurs to me;
>>>>
>>>> Check where those "new" packages came from.  I suspect
>>>> they're from the
>>>> last DVD you added to your repo database.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The universe of discourse is a specific set of Debian 8.6.0 dvds.
>>
>> So when you run aptitude, is the first entry
>>
>> --- Upgradable Packages ( )
>>
>> and, if so, what number is in parentheses?
>>
>> Also if so, what do you see when you select this item?
>> (ie press return on this item, then ↓ and return,
>> repeating until you reach actual package names.)
>> If you do reach a list of package names, with an appearance
>> like so:
>>
>> --\ Upgradable Packages (1)
>>    --\ video - Utilities to record, view, edit, and stream
>> video files (1)
>>      --\ main - The main Debian archive (1)
>> i     get-iplayer
>> 2.94-1         2.97-1
>>
>> what packages does it want to upgrade, and from which version
>> to which?
>>
>> (It would be nice to have some concrete examples of what's
>> being discussed.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David.
>
> I can't give any info from the particular box in use at the start
> of this thread. It has developed some strange, apparently hardware
> related, that prevents me from doing a clean Debian install using
> my normal preseed.cfg . It no longer has a functional Debian.
>
> However I have another box displaying the same symptoms. But I do
> not know from how many DVDs of Debian 8.6.0 packages were installed.
>
> When running aptitude it reports:
> <begin quote>
> aptitude 0.6.11
> --- Installed Packages (869)
> --- Not Installed Packages (41553)
> --- Virtual Packages (5124)
> --- Tasks (216)
> </end quote>
>
> Synaptic shows >> 200 packages with the star in box icon.
>
> There is one more data-point. Before the first box went into
> meltdown I had run a install using the first entry on the
> installer's menu. I showed none of the "star in box" icons. I'm
> beginning to suspect these aberrant "star in box" icons revolve
> around my choice of which packages to load with my preseed.cfg
> file. I've got a full morning's work ahead of me. More later.
>

I have done an install on the *SECOND* using preseeding and ONLY 
DVD #1.
It has no apparent problems, particularly no "star in box" icons.

I have done TWO installs on the *FIRST* machine. It *HAS 
developed* a machine related problem.

First Install:
Use preseeding and DVD #1.
Install appeared typical. Boot appears to proceed normally until 
when I expect GUI to appear. I always get a blank screen. 
_Sometimes_ booting with "recovery mode" and entering Cntrl-D 
gives me the GUI.

Second Install:
Use no preseeding with first menu choice.
When asked for choice of desktop etc. I clear all except 
"standard utilities".
I get a functional CLI environment.
I do apt-get install with the same set of packages specified in 
the preseed file.
At completion typing startx brings up the GUI.
However booting from the grub menu has the same set of problems 
as the first install.

That laptop's fan had failed. I now suspect component failure had 
occurred before the fan was replaced. I'll keep it for education 
experiments in trouble shooting. Off to get another machine to be 
my test bed for Debian.

Thanks you all.

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#175992 — [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2016-12-27 23:40 +0100
Subject[Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?
Message-ID<sT8zw-83k-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#175983
On 12/27/2016 12:55 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/27/2016 8:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>[snip]
>> I can't give any info from the particular box in use at the start
>> of this thread. It has developed some strange, apparently hardware
>> related, that prevents me from doing a clean Debian install using
>> my normal preseed.cfg . It no longer has a functional Debian.
>>
>> However I have another box displaying the same symptoms. But I do
>> not know from how many DVDs of Debian 8.6.0 packages were
>> installed.
>>
>> When running aptitude it reports:
>> <begin quote>
>> aptitude 0.6.11
>> --- Installed Packages (869)
>> --- Not Installed Packages (41553)
>> --- Virtual Packages (5124)
>> --- Tasks (216)
>> </end quote>
>>
>> Synaptic shows >> 200 packages with the star in box icon.
>>
>> There is one more data-point. Before the first box went into
>> meltdown I had run a install using the first entry on the
>> installer's menu. I showed none of the "star in box" icons. I'm
>> beginning to suspect these aberrant "star in box" icons revolve
>> around my choice of which packages to load with my preseed.cfg
>> file. I've got a full morning's work ahead of me. More later.
>>
>
> I have done an install on the *SECOND* using preseeding and ONLY
> DVD #1.
> It has no apparent problems, particularly no "star in box" icons.
>
> I have done TWO installs on the *FIRST* machine. It *HAS
> developed* a machine related problem.
>
> First Install:
> Use preseeding and DVD #1.
> Install appeared typical. Boot appears to proceed normally until
> when I expect GUI to appear. I always get a blank screen.
> _Sometimes_ booting with "recovery mode" and entering Cntrl-D
> gives me the GUI.
>
> Second Install:
> Use no preseeding with first menu choice.
> When asked for choice of desktop etc. I clear all except
> "standard utilities".
> I get a functional CLI environment.
> I do apt-get install with the same set of packages specified in
> the preseed file.
> At completion typing startx brings up the GUI.
> However booting from the grub menu has the same set of problems
> as the first install.
>
> That laptop's fan had failed. I now suspect component failure had
> occurred before the fan was replaced. I'll keep it for education
> experiments in trouble shooting. Off to get another machine to be
> my test bed for Debian.
>
> Thanks you all.

At least some of my problems were related to not quite failed 
hardware.
My test bed laptop has been replaced by a new (to me ;) laptop.
An install using DVD #1 only and my custom preseed went smoothly.
There no "star in box icons" showing in Synaptic at this time.

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#175993 — Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-12-27 23:50 +0100
SubjectRe: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?
Message-ID<sT8Jc-86X-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#175992
On Tuesday 27 December 2016 22:34:35 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/27/2016 12:55 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 12/27/2016 8:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>[snip]
> >> I can't give any info from the particular box in use at the start
> >> of this thread. It has developed some strange, apparently hardware
> >> related, that prevents me from doing a clean Debian install using
> >> my normal preseed.cfg . It no longer has a functional Debian.
> >>
> >> However I have another box displaying the same symptoms. But I do
> >> not know from how many DVDs of Debian 8.6.0 packages were
> >> installed.
> >>
> >> When running aptitude it reports:
> >> <begin quote>
> >> aptitude 0.6.11
> >> --- Installed Packages (869)
> >> --- Not Installed Packages (41553)
> >> --- Virtual Packages (5124)
> >> --- Tasks (216)
> >> </end quote>
> >>
> >> Synaptic shows >> 200 packages with the star in box icon.
> >>
> >> There is one more data-point. Before the first box went into
> >> meltdown I had run a install using the first entry on the
> >> installer's menu. I showed none of the "star in box" icons. I'm
> >> beginning to suspect these aberrant "star in box" icons revolve
> >> around my choice of which packages to load with my preseed.cfg
> >> file. I've got a full morning's work ahead of me. More later.
> >
> > I have done an install on the *SECOND* using preseeding and ONLY
> > DVD #1.
> > It has no apparent problems, particularly no "star in box" icons.
> >
> > I have done TWO installs on the *FIRST* machine. It *HAS
> > developed* a machine related problem.
> >
> > First Install:
> > Use preseeding and DVD #1.
> > Install appeared typical. Boot appears to proceed normally until
> > when I expect GUI to appear. I always get a blank screen.
> > _Sometimes_ booting with "recovery mode" and entering Cntrl-D
> > gives me the GUI.
> >
> > Second Install:
> > Use no preseeding with first menu choice.
> > When asked for choice of desktop etc. I clear all except
> > "standard utilities".
> > I get a functional CLI environment.
> > I do apt-get install with the same set of packages specified in
> > the preseed file.
> > At completion typing startx brings up the GUI.
> > However booting from the grub menu has the same set of problems
> > as the first install.
> >
> > That laptop's fan had failed. I now suspect component failure had
> > occurred before the fan was replaced. I'll keep it for education
> > experiments in trouble shooting. Off to get another machine to be
> > my test bed for Debian.
> >
> > Thanks you all.
>
> At least some of my problems were related to not quite failed
> hardware.
> My test bed laptop has been replaced by a new (to me ;) laptop.
> An install using DVD #1 only and my custom preseed went smoothly.
> There no "star in box icons" showing in Synaptic at this time.

Try adding another of the DVDs into the repository list and see whether the 
stars appear - and let us know!

Lisi

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#175995 — Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2016-12-28 03:50 +0100
SubjectRe: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?
Message-ID<sTctr-22d-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#175993
On 12/27/2016 4:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 December 2016 22:34:35 Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/27/2016 12:55 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 12/27/2016 8:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> I can't give any info from the particular box in use at the start
>>>> of this thread. It has developed some strange, apparently hardware
>>>> related, that prevents me from doing a clean Debian install using
>>>> my normal preseed.cfg . It no longer has a functional Debian.
>>>>
>>>> However I have another box displaying the same symptoms. But I do
>>>> not know from how many DVDs of Debian 8.6.0 packages were
>>>> installed.
>>>>
>>>> When running aptitude it reports:
>>>> <begin quote>
>>>> aptitude 0.6.11
>>>> --- Installed Packages (869)
>>>> --- Not Installed Packages (41553)
>>>> --- Virtual Packages (5124)
>>>> --- Tasks (216)
>>>> </end quote>
>>>>
>>>> Synaptic shows >> 200 packages with the star in box icon.
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>
>> At least some of my problems were related to not quite failed
>> hardware.
>> My test bed laptop has been replaced by a new (to me ;) laptop.
>> An install using DVD #1 only and my custom preseed went smoothly.
>> There no "star in box icons" showing in Synaptic at this time.
>
> Try adding another of the DVDs into the repository list and see whether the
> stars appear - and let us know!
>

The more DVDs scanned -> the more "star in box icons".

After having scanned the first 6 DVDs, aptitude reports:

--- New Packages (11291)
--- Installed Packages (870)
--- Not Installed Packages (6892)
--- Virtual Packages (2382)
--- Tasks (214)

CONCLUSION - "star in box icons" meaningless.

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#175996 — Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-12-28 04:20 +0100
SubjectRe: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?
Message-ID<sTcWt-2zD-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#175995
On Wednesday 28 December 2016 02:40:33 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/27/2016 4:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 December 2016 22:34:35 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 12/27/2016 12:55 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> On 12/27/2016 8:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>> I can't give any info from the particular box in use at the start
> >>>> of this thread. It has developed some strange, apparently hardware
> >>>> related, that prevents me from doing a clean Debian install using
> >>>> my normal preseed.cfg . It no longer has a functional Debian.
> >>>>
> >>>> However I have another box displaying the same symptoms. But I do
> >>>> not know from how many DVDs of Debian 8.6.0 packages were
> >>>> installed.
> >>>>
> >>>> When running aptitude it reports:
> >>>> <begin quote>
> >>>> aptitude 0.6.11
> >>>> --- Installed Packages (869)
> >>>> --- Not Installed Packages (41553)
> >>>> --- Virtual Packages (5124)
> >>>> --- Tasks (216)
> >>>> </end quote>
> >>>>
> >>>> Synaptic shows >> 200 packages with the star in box icon.
> >>>>
> >>>> [snip]
> >>
> >> At least some of my problems were related to not quite failed
> >> hardware.
> >> My test bed laptop has been replaced by a new (to me ;) laptop.
> >> An install using DVD #1 only and my custom preseed went smoothly.
> >> There no "star in box icons" showing in Synaptic at this time.
> >
> > Try adding another of the DVDs into the repository list and see whether
> > the stars appear - and let us know!
>
> The more DVDs scanned -> the more "star in box icons".
>
> After having scanned the first 6 DVDs, aptitude reports:
>
> --- New Packages (11291)
> --- Installed Packages (870)
> --- Not Installed Packages (6892)
> --- Virtual Packages (2382)
> --- Tasks (214)
>
> CONCLUSION - "star in box icons" meaningless.

False conclusion.  Your case is far too special and corner for the software to 
be designed for it - and in your case it means:  not in the original DVD, 
which could in fact feasibly be useful information. ;-)

When one uses the internet, aptitude reports on how many new packages.

Lisi

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#175959

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2016-12-26 21:00 +0100
Message-ID<sSJB7-y9-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#175938
On Mon 26 Dec 2016 at 06:21:15 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/26/2016 4:12 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 01:47:25 -0600
> >Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> >Hello Richard,
> >
> >{hopefully with a clearer head and a more stable connection...}
> >
> >>I wonder if it had specific implications "once upon a time" and
> >>now means nothing more than the empty box i.e "Not installed".
> >
> >It means /exactly/ what the help display says.  It's a *new* package in
> >the repo.  Even though you installed from DVD, the standard install
> >process goes online to fetch updated packages.  When the install
> >finishes, you will already have that online repo added to your
> >sources.list file.  If you don't want to use that repo, simply disable
> >it in Synaptic.
> >
> 
>  Yes, BUT <chuckle;>

This joke tires, you know. People would waste less time if you always
admitted that detail about your configuration earlier rather than later.

> The reason I do my installs from DVDs is that I have limited
> bandwidth.
> The machine in question physically has NO internet connectivity at
> all.
> If it is significant, the DVD set is 8.6.0 .

Cheers,
David.

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