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  Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-25 21:30 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-25 23:00 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 23:00 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-25 23:10 +0100
      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-25 23:10 +0100
    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 00:50 +0100
      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 08:50 +0100
        Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 11:20 +0100
          Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 13:30 +0100
            Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 17:10 +0100
              Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 17:30 +0100
                Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 17:50 +0100
            Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 20:40 +0100
              Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 20:50 +0100
                Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-12-26 21:10 +0100
                  Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-26 21:20 +0100
                    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 00:30 +0100
                    Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-27 05:00 +0100
                      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2016-12-27 06:30 +0100
                      Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-27 15:50 +0100
                        Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-27 20:00 +0100
                          [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-27 23:40 +0100
                            Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 23:50 +0100
                              Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where  defined/explained? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-12-28 03:50 +0100
                                Re: [Partial Resolution] Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 04:20 +0100
            Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-26 21:00 +0100

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#175918 — Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

Where is the icon [a yellow star in otherwise blank box] defined?
Not in 
https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=synaptic&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en

A graphic accessed from Help->Icon Legend says only "Not 
installed(new in repository)"

What does "new in repository" actually mean? I've installed from 
a purchased set of DVDs, so it cannot mean "new since DVD created" ;/

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On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:21:20 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>Where is the icon [a yellow star in otherwise blank box] defined?

Not sure where it's described/defined, but if I understand you
correctly, it means there's an update available for an uninstalled
package.

>What does "new in repository" actually mean? I've installed from 
>a purchased set of DVDs, so it cannot mean "new since DVD created" ;/

Yes, it does;  The installation of Debian almost inevitably creates a
non-DVD repo which can have new packages delivered to it.  So, you're
using a repo (or repos) other than the install DVDs and new packages have
arrived in that repo.  This can happen as a natural consequence of
migration from sid to testing, for example.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
We're going to hell anyway, let's travel first class
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#175920

On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> Where is the icon [a yellow star in otherwise blank box] defined?
> Not in
> https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=synaptic&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en
>
> A graphic accessed from Help->Icon Legend says only "Not installed(new in
> repository)"
>
> What does "new in repository" actually mean? I've installed from a purchased
> set of DVDs, so it cannot mean "new since DVD created" ;/

It is referring to the online repository maintained by Debian and
mirrored across all over the world. The repository locations  are
specified in /etc/apt/sources.list file. For example, I have the
following lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list

 % cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main
contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free

If you just look at the first line
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free

it is pointing to the  repository located at
http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/. You can track multiple
repositories (in the above example that would be
http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/, http://security.debian.org/). The
repository location can be something remote (as is the case in my
example) or something local (ex:- DVD, CD, USB). You can even set up
your own repository (on your hard drive) and point
/etc/apt/sources.list there. But in general, unless otherwise
specified, a repository usually means the official one maintained by
Debian.

hope that helps
raju
-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:21:20 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>Where is the icon [a yellow star in otherwise blank box] defined?
>Not in 

A yellow star means there's an update available for that package.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I'm not here for your entertainment
U & Ur Hand - P!nk

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On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:00:23 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:

Hello Brad,

>A yellow star means there's an update available for that package
No it doesn't, 

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Your life is like a schedule, you run to meet the bills
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#175924

On Sunday 25 December 2016 20:21:20 Richard Owlett wrote:
> Where is the icon [a yellow star in otherwise blank box] defined?
> Not in
> https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=synaptic&apropos=0&sektio
>n=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en
>
> A graphic accessed from Help->Icon Legend says only "Not
> installed(new in repository)"
>
> What does "new in repository" actually mean? I've installed from
> a purchased set of DVDs, so it cannot mean "new since DVD created" ;/

http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html

HTH!

Lisi

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#175932

On 12/25/2016 5:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 25 December 2016 20:21:20 Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Where is the icon [a yellow star in otherwise blank box] defined?
>> Not in
>> https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=synaptic&apropos=0&sektio
>> n=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en
>>
>> A graphic accessed from Help->Icon Legend says only "Not
>> installed(new in repository)"
>>
>> What does "new in repository" actually mean? I've installed from
>> a purchased set of DVDs, so it cannot mean "new since DVD created" ;/
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html
>
> HTH!
>
> Lisi
>
>

Had already seen it. It is just an image of display from 
Help->Icon ;<
I wonder if it had specific implications "once upon a time" and 
now means nothing more than the empty box i.e "Not installed".

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On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 01:47:25 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

Hello Richard,

{hopefully with a clearer head and a more stable connection...}

>I wonder if it had specific implications "once upon a time" and 
>now means nothing more than the empty box i.e "Not installed".

It means /exactly/ what the help display says.  It's a *new* package in
the repo.  Even though you installed from DVD, the standard install
process goes online to fetch updated packages.  When the install
finishes, you will already have that online repo added to your
sources.list file.  If you don't want to use that repo, simply disable
it in Synaptic.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
It's your life so go your own way
Questions And Answers - Sham 69

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#175938

On 12/26/2016 4:12 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 01:47:25 -0600
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
>
> {hopefully with a clearer head and a more stable connection...}
>
>> I wonder if it had specific implications "once upon a time" and
>> now means nothing more than the empty box i.e "Not installed".
>
> It means /exactly/ what the help display says.  It's a *new* package in
> the repo.  Even though you installed from DVD, the standard install
> process goes online to fetch updated packages.  When the install
> finishes, you will already have that online repo added to your
> sources.list file.  If you don't want to use that repo, simply disable
> it in Synaptic.
>

  Yes, BUT <chuckle;>
The reason I do my installs from DVDs is that I have limited 
bandwidth.
The machine in question physically has NO internet connectivity 
at all.
If it is significant, the DVD set is 8.6.0 .

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On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 06:21:15 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>The machine in question physically has NO internet connectivity 
>at all.

Ah, that wasn't clear (to me at least) from your first post.  I wonder,
has that machine ever been connected to the internet?  However briefly.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Where will you be when the bodies burn?
The Gasman Cometh - Crass

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#175951

On 12/26/2016 9:58 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 06:21:15 -0600
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
>
>> The machine in question physically has NO internet connectivity
>> at all.
>
> Ah, that wasn't clear (to me at least) from your first post.  I wonder,
> has that machine ever been connected to the internet?  However briefly.
>

Nope ;/
Installing from DVDs started out as a physical constraint - I was 
on dial-up.
That combined with some volunteer work blended with an atypical 
mindset has led to a fascination with a sub-set of installing 
Debian on resource poor machines.
Retirees do need hobbies, don't we ;)

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On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 10:19:35 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>Nope ;/

Well, I'm out of ideas.

>Installing from DVDs started out as a physical constraint - I was 
>on dial-up.

Been there.   :-(

Not that long ago, either.

>Retirees do need hobbies, don't we ;)

If it keeps you off the street corners......   ;-D

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
If we're working class, why ain't we got jobs?
Insane Society - Menace

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#175957

On Monday 26 December 2016 12:21:15 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/26/2016 4:12 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 01:47:25 -0600
> > Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Richard,
> >
> > {hopefully with a clearer head and a more stable connection...}
> >
> >> I wonder if it had specific implications "once upon a time" and
> >> now means nothing more than the empty box i.e "Not installed".
> >
> > It means /exactly/ what the help display says.  It's a *new* package in
> > the repo.  Even though you installed from DVD, the standard install
> > process goes online to fetch updated packages.  When the install
> > finishes, you will already have that online repo added to your
> > sources.list file.  If you don't want to use that repo, simply disable
> > it in Synaptic.
>
>   Yes, BUT <chuckle;>
> The reason I do my installs from DVDs is that I have limited
> bandwidth.
> The machine in question physically has NO internet connectivity
> at all.
> If it is significant, the DVD set is 8.6.0 .

If it has NO internet connectivity at all, how does it know whether there are 
any updates?  Or are you using a new DVD set, and it is saying that there are 
new packages on this DVD set from the DVD set you used to do the 
installation?

Whatever repositories you use, they now have in at least one uninstalled 
package that was not there before.  Even allowing for the pond, I can't see 
why "new uninstalled" is difficult to understand. :-/

Lisi

Lisi

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#175958

On 12/26/2016 1:37 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 26 December 2016 12:21:15 Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/26/2016 4:12 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 01:47:25 -0600
>>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Richard,
>>>
>>> {hopefully with a clearer head and a more stable connection...}
>>>
>>>> I wonder if it had specific implications "once upon a time" and
>>>> now means nothing more than the empty box i.e "Not installed".
>>>
>>> It means /exactly/ what the help display says.  It's a *new* package in
>>> the repo.  Even though you installed from DVD, the standard install
>>> process goes online to fetch updated packages.  When the install
>>> finishes, you will already have that online repo added to your
>>> sources.list file.  If you don't want to use that repo, simply disable
>>> it in Synaptic.
>>
>>    Yes, BUT <chuckle;>
>> The reason I do my installs from DVDs is that I have limited
>> bandwidth.
>> The machine in question physically has NO internet connectivity
>> at all.
>> If it is significant, the DVD set is 8.6.0 .
>
> If it has NO internet connectivity at all, how does it know whether there are
> any updates?

*THAT* is my question.
The imfamous test machine has NEVER been connected to the internet.
The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian 
8.6.0 ;!

> Or are you using a new DVD set, and it is saying that there are
> new packages on this DVD set from the DVD set you used to do the
> installation?

Same old DVD.

>
> Whatever repositories you use, they now have in at least one uninstalled
> package that was not there before.  Even allowing for the pond, I can't see
> why "new uninstalled" is difficult to understand. :-/
>
> Lisi
>
> Lisi
>
>

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On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:46:15 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian 
>8.6.0 ;!

An idea occurs to me;

Check where those "new" packages came from.  I suspect they're from the
last DVD you added to your repo database.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
The stakes were high but the danger low
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#175961

On 12/26/2016 2:02 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:46:15 -0600
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
>
>> The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian
>> 8.6.0 ;!
>
> An idea occurs to me;
>
> Check where those "new" packages came from.  I suspect they're from the
> last DVD you added to your repo database.
>

The universe of discourse is a specific set of Debian 8.6.0 dvds.

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#175963

On Monday 26 December 2016 20:10:16 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/26/2016 2:02 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:46:15 -0600
> > Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Richard,
> >
> >> The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian
> >> 8.6.0 ;!
> >
> > An idea occurs to me;
> >
> > Check where those "new" packages came from.  I suspect they're from the
> > last DVD you added to your repo database.
>
> The universe of discourse is a specific set of Debian 8.6.0 dvds.

Yes, but if there is more than one DVD, one of them must have been added last.

Lisi

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#175964

On Mon 26 Dec 2016 at 14:10:16 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/26/2016 2:02 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:46:15 -0600
> >Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> >Hello Richard,
> >
> >>The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian
> >>8.6.0 ;!
> >
> >An idea occurs to me;
> >
> >Check where those "new" packages came from.  I suspect they're from the
> >last DVD you added to your repo database.
> >
> 
> The universe of discourse is a specific set of Debian 8.6.0 dvds.

So when you run aptitude, is the first entry

--- Upgradable Packages ( )

and, if so, what number is in parentheses?

Also if so, what do you see when you select this item?
(ie press return on this item, then ↓ and return,
repeating until you reach actual package names.)
If you do reach a list of package names, with an appearance like so:

--\ Upgradable Packages (1)
  --\ video - Utilities to record, view, edit, and stream video files (1)
    --\ main - The main Debian archive (1)
i     get-iplayer                                   2.94-1         2.97-1

what packages does it want to upgrade, and from which version to which?

(It would be nice to have some concrete examples of what's being discussed.)

Cheers,
David.

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#175965

David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> writes:

> So when you run aptitude […]
>
> Also if so, what do you see when you select this item?
> (ie press return on this item, then ↓ and return,
> repeating until you reach actual package names.)

For reference, the “expand all items within this one” command is ‘[’.
The corresponding “collapse all items within this one” command is ‘]’.

-- 
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#175978

On 12/26/2016 9:56 PM, David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 26 Dec 2016 at 14:10:16 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/26/2016 2:02 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:46:15 -0600
>>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Richard,
>>>
>>>> The only repository it has ever seen is DVD 1 of 13 of Debian
>>>> 8.6.0 ;!
>>>
>>> An idea occurs to me;
>>>
>>> Check where those "new" packages came from.  I suspect they're from the
>>> last DVD you added to your repo database.
>>>
>>
>> The universe of discourse is a specific set of Debian 8.6.0 dvds.
>
> So when you run aptitude, is the first entry
>
> --- Upgradable Packages ( )
>
> and, if so, what number is in parentheses?
>
> Also if so, what do you see when you select this item?
> (ie press return on this item, then ↓ and return,
> repeating until you reach actual package names.)
> If you do reach a list of package names, with an appearance like so:
>
> --\ Upgradable Packages (1)
>    --\ video - Utilities to record, view, edit, and stream video files (1)
>      --\ main - The main Debian archive (1)
> i     get-iplayer                                   2.94-1         2.97-1
>
> what packages does it want to upgrade, and from which version to which?
>
> (It would be nice to have some concrete examples of what's being discussed.)
>
> Cheers,
> David.

I can't give any info from the particular box in use at the start 
of this thread. I has developed some strange, apparently hardware 
related, that prevents me from doing a clean Debian install using 
my normal preseed.cfg . It no longer has a functional Debian.

However I have another box displaying the same symptoms. But I do 
not know from how many DVDs of Debian 8.6.0 packages were installed.

When running aptitude it reports:
<begin quote>
aptitude 0.6.11
--- Installed Packages (869)
--- Not Installed Packages (41553)
--- Virtual Packages (5124)
--- Tasks (216)
</end quote>

Synaptic shows >> 200 packages with the star in box icon.

There is one more data-point. Before the first box went into 
meltdown I had run a install using the first entry on the 
installer's menu. I showed none of the "star in box" icons. I'm 
beginning to suspect these aberrant "star in box" icons revolve 
around my choice of which packages to load with my preseed.cfg 
file. I've got a full morning's work ahead of me. More later.

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