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| Started by | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-11-28 22:50 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-11-30 09:50 +0100 |
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Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:50 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-11-28 23:30 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-28 23:40 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 10:20 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 14:40 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 17:00 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-11-29 17:10 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 17:20 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 18:10 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-11-29 18:50 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-29 20:00 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2016-11-30 05:20 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-29 19:00 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 23:40 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 12:50 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-11-29 13:30 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-11-29 14:00 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 14:30 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 18:10 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 18:30 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 20:50 +0100
Re: Uninstalling Gnome Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 14:40 +0100
Manually installed packages (was: Uninstalling Gnome) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 00:50 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages (was: Uninstalling Gnome) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-11-30 01:30 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages (was: Uninstalling Gnome) Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 05:30 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-11-30 14:50 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-01 17:10 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-12-01 18:10 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 19:40 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-12-01 20:10 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-12-03 14:40 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2016-12-03 19:00 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:50 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-12-04 11:00 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 13:00 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-12-04 13:10 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-12-01 20:50 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-12-01 22:00 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:20 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 18:30 +0100
Re: Manually installed packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-11-30 09:50 +0100
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-28 22:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Uninstalling Gnome |
| Message-ID | <sIBYf-7z9-65@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Hi all Debian users. When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more but am not sure what of them I may delete without perturbing the system. How can I know? More in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using and so can be removed? Thanks for any help, Rodolfo
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-28 23:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sICAW-85L-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175202 |
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:44:00 +0000 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all Debian users. > > When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome > as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, > now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any > more but am not sure what of them I may delete without perturbing the > system. How can I know? More in general, is there a way to know > what packages one is not using and so can be removed? > > Thanks for any help, > Sure if I was going there, I wouldn't be after starting from here... First, Openbox is a window manager and doesn't have much in the way of bells and whistles. Is that really all you want? If not, there is at least one light(ish)-weight desktop environment which uses Openbox, which is Xfce. There may be others, I haven't felt the need to look around recently. As for removing Gnome, tricky. I use some Gnome applications, but without the full DE being present, so I have some libraries installed. If I had to try this, I'd look through the dependencies of the 'gnome' metapackage, make a note of anything I used, to later reinstall, then remove the metapackage and anything it wants to take with it. I'd run deborphan, or in fact I'd run upgrade-system which I normally use to maintain my system, which recursively runs deborphan and will remove anything you haven't explicitly asked for. At that point, then one might like to think that the only gnome components left are those which you've explicitly installed, and their dependencies. Certainly the applications you don't use should be gone. Something that may still be there that has a fair number of dependencies is gdm3, the display manager. You almost certainly do want a display manager, unless you're happy to boot into a text shell and use startx to get a graphic display. A lightweight display manager is xdm, though I find that a bit too Spartan, and I use kdm. That has a fair number of dependencies as well, but I want many of those for a few KDE applications I use, so it's not a problem. Hopefully, there may be other suggestions to help reach your goal.. -- Joe
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-28 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sICKB-89o-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175202 |
On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome as my > Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, now I want to > remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more but am not sure > what of them I may delete without perturbing the system. How can I know? More > in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using and so can be > removed? apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell apt-get autoremove And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. -- Brian.
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 10:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIMJX-6yn-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175204 |
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome as my >> Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, now I want to >> remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more but am not sure >> what of them I may delete without perturbing the system. How can I know? >> More >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using and so can >> be >> removed? > > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell > apt-get autoremove > > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing so will not perturbing my system? Rodolfo
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIQky-rW-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175211 |
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 04:11:37 AM Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing so will > not perturbing my system? From the peanut gallery--I don't think you can--I mean, very little in life is sure... (and, ime, computer software is low on any ordered list of sure things ;-)
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIQky-rW-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175224 |
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:02:48 AM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 04:11:37 AM Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing so > > will not perturbing my system? > > From the peanut gallery--I don't think you can--I mean, very little in life > is sure... (and, ime, computer software is low on any ordered list of sure > things ;-) Oh, what I meant to add is: What I would do, is delete all of Gnome, and then see what might be missing, and add those things back as I find them missing.
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 14:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIQNA-Bo-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175225 |
rhkramer@gmail.com writes: > On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:02:48 AM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 04:11:37 AM Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> > Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing so >> > will not perturbing my system? >> >> From the peanut gallery--I don't think you can--I mean, very little in life >> is sure... (and, ime, computer software is low on any ordered list of sure >> things ;-) > > Oh, what I meant to add is: > > What I would do, is delete all of Gnome, and then see what might be missing, > and add those things back as I find them missing. Yes, thanks, I was now thinking of the problem more in general: remove all those packages from my system that are useless now so to free space on disk... It seems that `apt-mark' could be useful to that purpose... Rodolfo
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| From | Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 17:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sISZ4-1UF-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175211 |
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:11:37 +0000 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: > > > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > > >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose > >> Gnome as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free > >> space, now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I > >> haven't used any more but am not sure what of them I may delete > >> without perturbing the system. How can I know? More > >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using > >> and so can be > >> removed? > > > > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell > > apt-get autoremove > > > > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. > > > Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing > so will not perturbing my system? A few years ago, I attempted to entirely remove GNOME from my system. I had switched to the window manager Openbox and no longer needed GNOME and all its parts taking up valuble hard drive space. It proved impossible (or impractical) to do. GNOME lists OS parts among others, lots of others, as dependencies. Most of its utilities do the same. GNOME is quite invasive. So, a general "remove" or "purge" gnome, etc. would end up removing most of the OS rendering it useless. Even trying to uninstall its utilities and apps would result in similar situation, a broken system To make a long story short, I eventually ended up reinstalling the OS without any desktop environment, terminal only, then adding X, the window manager, etc. It was the only easy way I found to be totally GNOMEless. Good luck B
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 17:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIT8K-2eS-35@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175234 |
In the days of yore, when GNOME was just version 2 point something, it used to be possible to rip out (most of) GNOME with a simple apt-get remove libgnome2-common. This would leave a few things lying around, but not enough for most people to worry about. I have no idea how to do the analogous operation with GNOME 3.x.
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 17:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sITip-2kT-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175234 |
Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> writes: > On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:11:37 +0000 Rodolfo Medina > <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: >> >> > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> > >> >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose >> >> Gnome as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free >> >> space, now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I >> >> haven't used any more but am not sure what of them I may delete >> >> without perturbing the system. How can I know? More >> >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using >> >> and so can be >> >> removed? >> > >> > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell >> > apt-get autoremove >> > >> > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. >> >> >> Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing >> so will not perturbing my system? > > A few years ago, I attempted to entirely remove GNOME from my system. > I had switched to the window manager Openbox and no longer needed GNOME > and all its parts taking up valuble hard drive space. It proved > impossible (or impractical) to do. GNOME lists OS parts among > others, lots of others, as dependencies. Most of its utilities do the > same. GNOME is quite invasive. So, a general "remove" or "purge" > gnome, etc. would end up removing most of the OS rendering it useless. > Even trying to uninstall its utilities and apps would result in similar > situation, a broken system > > To make a long story short, I eventually ended up reinstalling the OS > without any desktop environment, terminal only, then adding X, the > window manager, etc. It was the only easy way I found to be totally > GNOMEless. I wonder if it's possible to provide Debian a set A of packages and say: `please install these and only these and remove all the other packages present on the disk except the ones from which some of A depends.' This would be equivalent of reinstalling everything as reported by Patrick. Do you think it would be possible? Rodolfo
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| From | Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 18:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIU4N-2TK-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175236 |
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 04:12:52PM +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:11:37 +0000 Rodolfo Medina >> <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: >>> >>> > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >>> > >>> >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose >>> >> Gnome as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free >>> >> space, now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I >>> >> haven't used any more but am not sure what of them I may delete >>> >> without perturbing the system. How can I know? More >>> >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using >>> >> and so can be >>> >> removed? >>> > >>> > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell >>> > apt-get autoremove >>> > >>> > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. >>> >>> >>> Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing >>> so will not perturbing my system? >> >> A few years ago, I attempted to entirely remove GNOME from my system. >> I had switched to the window manager Openbox and no longer needed GNOME >> and all its parts taking up valuble hard drive space. It proved >> impossible (or impractical) to do. GNOME lists OS parts among >> others, lots of others, as dependencies. Most of its utilities do the >> same. GNOME is quite invasive. So, a general "remove" or "purge" >> gnome, etc. would end up removing most of the OS rendering it useless. >> Even trying to uninstall its utilities and apps would result in similar >> situation, a broken system >> >> To make a long story short, I eventually ended up reinstalling the OS >> without any desktop environment, terminal only, then adding X, the >> window manager, etc. It was the only easy way I found to be totally >> GNOMEless. > > >I wonder if it's possible to provide Debian a set A of packages and say: >`please install these and only these and remove all the other packages present >on the disk except the ones from which some of A depends.' This would be >equivalent of reinstalling everything as reported by Patrick. Do you think it >would be possible? The package "equivs" seems destined for this task. equivs can create "trivial" debian packages which, typically, only contain dependency information. So you could, for example, create a package which depends on evolution, libreoffice and gedit. You install this new package and attempt to uninstall 'gnome'. apt should then, in theory, say "all these parts of gnome are no longer needed (because 'gnome' is being uninstalled) EXCEPT for evolution, libreoffice and gedit, which are still needed by $newpackage, so I can't uninstall those". You just have to be careful that apt doesn't decide that "the easiest way to solve this is to also remove $newpackage", but you might be able to mark the package as essential, which SHOULD trump everything. > >Rodolfo > -- For more information, please reread.
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIUHv-37J-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175236 |
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:12:52 +0000 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> writes: > > > On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:11:37 +0000 Rodolfo Medina > > <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: > >> > >> > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > >> > > >> >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose > >> >> Gnome as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To > >> >> free space, now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I > >> >> haven't used any more but am not sure what of them I may delete > >> >> without perturbing the system. How can I know? More > >> >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not > >> >> using and so can be > >> >> removed? > >> > > >> > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell > >> > apt-get autoremove > >> > > >> > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. > >> > >> > >> Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing > >> so will not perturbing my system? > > > > A few years ago, I attempted to entirely remove GNOME from my > > system. I had switched to the window manager Openbox and no longer > > needed GNOME and all its parts taking up valuble hard drive space. > > It proved impossible (or impractical) to do. GNOME lists OS parts > > among others, lots of others, as dependencies. Most of its > > utilities do the same. GNOME is quite invasive. So, a general > > "remove" or "purge" gnome, etc. would end up removing most of the > > OS rendering it useless. Even trying to uninstall its utilities and > > apps would result in similar situation, a broken system > > > > To make a long story short, I eventually ended up reinstalling the > > OS without any desktop environment, terminal only, then adding X, > > the window manager, etc. It was the only easy way I found to be > > totally GNOMEless. > > > I wonder if it's possible to provide Debian a set A of packages and > say: `please install these and only these and remove all the other > packages present on the disk except the ones from which some of A > depends.' This would be equivalent of reinstalling everything as > reported by Patrick. Do you think it would be possible? > Possible, but probably not off the shelf, or someone would have suggested it by now. As I said to begin my first reply, the only way to do a proper job is to start again from scratch, with a minimal text system, no DE, then add the GUI software of your choice, and your applications. And you probably want sudo, which as far as I know, is still not installed by default. -- Joe
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 20:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIVNf-3Mq-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175241 |
On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 17:45:39 +0000, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:12:52 +0000 > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:11:37 +0000 Rodolfo Medina > > > <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: > > >> > > >> > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose > > >> >> Gnome as my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To > > >> >> free space, now I want to remove all those Gnome packages that I > > >> >> haven't used any more but am not sure what of them I may delete > > >> >> without perturbing the system. How can I know? More > > >> >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not > > >> >> using and so can be > > >> >> removed? > > >> > > > >> > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell > > >> > apt-get autoremove > > >> > > > >> > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing > > >> so will not perturbing my system? > > > > > > A few years ago, I attempted to entirely remove GNOME from my > > > system. I had switched to the window manager Openbox and no longer > > > needed GNOME and all its parts taking up valuble hard drive space. > > > It proved impossible (or impractical) to do. GNOME lists OS parts > > > among others, lots of others, as dependencies. Most of its > > > utilities do the same. GNOME is quite invasive. So, a general > > > "remove" or "purge" gnome, etc. would end up removing most of the > > > OS rendering it useless. Even trying to uninstall its utilities and > > > apps would result in similar situation, a broken system > > > > > > To make a long story short, I eventually ended up reinstalling the > > > OS without any desktop environment, terminal only, then adding X, > > > the window manager, etc. It was the only easy way I found to be > > > totally GNOMEless. > > > > > > I wonder if it's possible to provide Debian a set A of packages and > > say: `please install these and only these and remove all the other > > packages present on the disk except the ones from which some of A > > depends.' This would be equivalent of reinstalling everything as > > reported by Patrick. Do you think it would be possible? > > > Possible, but probably not off the shelf, or someone would have > suggested it by now. Is "remove all the other packages present on the disk except the ones from which some of A depends" a serious desire? That would remove the kernel. > As I said to begin my first reply, the only way to do a proper job is > to start again from scratch, with a minimal text system, no DE, then > add the GUI software of your choice, and your applications. I agree with the sentiment and the technical simplicity here. However, to get to the same state from a running system isn't too hard and quite satisfying. apt-get purge gnome gnome-* apt-get --purge autoremove apt-ge purge $(deborphan) The final two commands being repeated as often as necessary. 'dpkg -l' will tell you what else you need to remove to get very close to a d-i basic install. Tested? Of course. -- Brian. > And you probably want sudo, which as far as I know, is still not > installed by default. > > -- > Joe >
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| From | Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-11-30 05:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sJ4xb-17i-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175236 |
On 11/29/2016 8:12 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > I wonder if it's possible to provide Debian a set A of packages and say: > `please install these and only these and remove all the other packages present > on the disk except the ones from which some of A depends.' This would be > equivalent of reinstalling everything as reported by Patrick. Do you think it > would be possible? > > Rodolfo > That's a good way to get into trouble. ;) The list would typically be created on a computer that is set up the way you want already using.... dpkg --get-selections > package.txt You can set the install state of all non-essential packages to 'deinstall' with... dpkg --clear-selections That's the part that could be trouble if you don't have a good list of packages to feed back in. What is essential is not necessarily everything you need to be able to connect to the internet and begin re-installing things. If you have your list of packages you can set the install state with dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt Synaptic has a way of creating these lists and installing from them, don't think it cares about the install state of anything not on the list, also never tried using Synaptic to install from a list that had package install states other than 'install'. The list would be in the form of.... package package-state so for example.... package1 install package2 deinstall package3 hold etc.... Once the install states are set then you would do... apt-get dselect-upgrade to perform the installations and removals. What kind of havoc that would create for aptitude if you try to use it after doing these things, I don't know. I don't use aptitude. You could create the list of selections on your current machine and load it in a text editor and start deleting stuff, after saving an extra copy somewhere so you can set the selection back the way they were if needed. Personally I would use Synaptic to remove the stuff you don't want, then if you still want to use aptitude later, deal with it's issues after the fact. Later, Seeker
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 19:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIURc-3bn-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175211 |
On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 09:11:37 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes: > > > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:44:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > > >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome as my > >> Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, now I want to > >> remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more but am not sure > >> what of them I may delete without perturbing the system. How can I know? > >> More > >> in general, is there a way to know what packages one is not using and so can > >> be > >> removed? > > > > apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell > > apt-get autoremove > > > > And go from there with 'dpkg -l'. > > > Thanks. But, my question is: how can I be sure and safe that doing so will not > perturbing my system? Impossible to answer because we do not know what you mean by "all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more". For example, is pulseaudio a gnome package? Or dosfstools? Both are installed when GNOME is installed. If the technique above removes anything of value to you make a note of it and reinstall it later to get an unperturbed system. -- Brian.
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| From | Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-28 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sICKC-89o-57@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175202 |
On 2016-11-28, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all Debian users. > > When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome as > my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, now I > want to remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more > but am not sure what of them I may delete without perturbing the > system. How can I know? More in general, is there a way to know what > packages one is not using and so can be removed? > > Thanks for any help, > > Rodolfo > > See the deborphan package. It is useful for trimming unwanted (and unneeded) packages from your system. -- Liam
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 12:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIP57-7Uu-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175205 |
Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> writes: > On 2016-11-28, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all Debian users. >> >> When I freshly installed Debian on my present system, I chose Gnome as >> my Desktop manager, then I switched to Openbox. To free space, now I >> want to remove all those Gnome packages that I haven't used any more >> but am not sure what of them I may delete without perturbing the >> system. How can I know? More in general, is there a way to know what >> packages one is not using and so can be removed? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Rodolfo >> >> > > See the deborphan package. It is useful for trimming unwanted (and > unneeded) packages from your system. I ran `deborphan --guess-all' but it seems to me that it wants to remove some packages that I use a lot, like, e.g., musixtex and pmx. So it doesn't seem to be very reliable... Rodolfo
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 13:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIPHP-8re-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175214 |
On 2016-11-29, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> See the deborphan package. It is useful for trimming unwanted (and >> unneeded) packages from your system. > > I ran `deborphan --guess-all' but it seems to me that it wants to remove some > packages that I use a lot, like, e.g., musixtex and pmx. So it doesn't seem to > be very reliable... Well, it was a guess. I think you're going to be obliged to cherry pick the software you want to hold on to, e.g. 'apt-mark manuel pmx'. Or I believe you can perform an 'apt-get install pmx musixtex' etc for a similar if not identical result. > Rodolfo > > -- “It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.” Franz Kafka
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 14:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIQaS-9a-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175217 |
On 2016-11-29, Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > On 2016-11-29, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> See the deborphan package. It is useful for trimming unwanted (and >>> unneeded) packages from your system. >> >> I ran `deborphan --guess-all' but it seems to me that it wants to remove some >> packages that I use a lot, like, e.g., musixtex and pmx. So it doesn't seem to >> be very reliable... > > Well, it was a guess. > > I think you're going to be obliged to cherry pick the software you want > to hold on to, e.g. 'apt-mark manuel pmx'. > > Or I believe you can perform an 'apt-get install pmx musixtex' etc for a > similar if not identical result. Maybe an identical result actually. >> Rodolfo >> >> > > -- “It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.” Franz Kafka
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-29 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sIQky-rW-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #175221 |
Curt <curty@free.fr> writes: > On 2016-11-29, Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: >> On 2016-11-29, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> See the deborphan package. It is useful for trimming unwanted (and >>>> unneeded) packages from your system. >>> >>> I ran `deborphan --guess-all' but it seems to me that it wants to remove >>> some packages that I use a lot, like, e.g., musixtex and pmx. So it >>> doesn't seem to be very reliable... >> >> Well, it was a guess. >> >> I think you're going to be obliged to cherry pick the software you want >> to hold on to, e.g. 'apt-mark manuel pmx'. >> >> Or I believe you can perform an 'apt-get install pmx musixtex' etc for a >> similar if not identical result. > > Maybe an identical result actually. Both show that the package is already installed. What do you mean? Rodolfo
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