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  Movie problem Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-11-15 03:00 +0100
    Re: Movie problem David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-11-15 04:20 +0100
    Re: Movie problem Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 05:40 +0100
    Re: Movie problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-15 11:00 +0100
      Re: Movie problem Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-11-15 16:20 +0100
        Re: Movie problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-15 16:30 +0100
    Re: Movie problem "Victor A. Stoichita" <victor@svictor.net> - 2016-11-15 12:20 +0100
      Re: Movie problem Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-11-15 17:00 +0100
        Re: Movie problem Victor A. Stoichita <victor@svictor.net> - 2016-11-15 21:30 +0100

#174726 — Movie problem

Hi all;

Background;
Need to submit to the alibaba site, a movie demonstration the broken 
video coming out of an Orange-pi-plus-2e.

Camera is a Sony Digital Hi-8 Handycam, firewire interface.
Raw video is bulky as its a digital format, full resolution of 720x480. 
so its close to 6 gigabytes a running minute when captured over the 
firewire port.

The only movie editor we have, that can also control this camera for 
start/stop/capture etc, is kino. No other movie prosessing utility we 
have has ever been in the same county as a firewire port

Web submission site at aliexpress.com has no clue what to do with a a 
raw-dv file and refuses to take it as an evidence submission.

Kino, as in running on a fully uptodate wheezy, apparently can't find 
ffmpeg to make the conversion when I attempt to export this 1 minutes 
worth of raw-dv format video.  ffmpeg and all its friends are installed. 
But in kino, the whole page of mpeg4 options is ghosted out.

Does anybody have a clue what I should sniff about for next?

Thanks & Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#174728

On 11/14/2016 05:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Need to submit to the alibaba site, a movie demonstration the broken 
> video coming out of an Orange-pi-plus-2e.
> 
> Camera is a Sony Digital Hi-8 Handycam, firewire interface.

One of the reasons I keep a working Windows XP system drive is for
Windows Movie Maker.  I used it to capture video from a Canon 720x480 DV
camcorder with Firewire output.  I could then edit as desired and output
video in various formats and resolutions.


David

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#174729

On 11/14/2016 05:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Hi all;
>
> Background;
> Need to submit to the alibaba site, a movie demonstration the broken
> video coming out of an Orange-pi-plus-2e.
>
> Camera is a Sony Digital Hi-8 Handycam, firewire interface.
> Raw video is bulky as its a digital format, full resolution of 720x480.
> so its close to 6 gigabytes a running minute when captured over the
> firewire port.
>
> The only movie editor we have, that can also control this camera for
> start/stop/capture etc, is kino. No other movie prosessing utility we
> have has ever been in the same county as a firewire port
>
> Web submission site at aliexpress.com has no clue what to do with a a
> raw-dv file and refuses to take it as an evidence submission.
>
> Kino, as in running on a fully uptodate wheezy, apparently can't find
> ffmpeg to make the conversion when I attempt to export this 1 minutes
> worth of raw-dv format video.  ffmpeg and all its friends are installed.
> But in kino, the whole page of mpeg4 options is ghosted out.
>
> Does anybody have a clue what I should sniff about for next?
>
> Thanks & Cheers, Gene Heskett

Gene you'll probable find what you need here,
"deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy main non-free"

regards,
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian - Wheezy - KDE 4.8.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda1
Registered Linux User #380263

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#174736

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 08:54:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Hi all;

[...]

> Kino, as in running on a fully uptodate wheezy, apparently can't find 
> ffmpeg to make the conversion when I attempt to export this 1 minutes 
> worth of raw-dv format video.  ffmpeg and all its friends are installed. 
> But in kino, the whole page of mpeg4 options is ghosted out.

There's a little trap around the last versions of Debian and ffmpeg.
The default for ffmpeg changed from ffmpeg to libav and back (I can't
remember at exactly which version).

This may or may not contribute to yout kino problem.

Otherwise, you might try to convert your video from the command line.
Ffmpeg's man page seems daunting at first, but it's worth it, since
most GUI video programs I've seen are extremely idiosyncratic. Either
you fit the way they work or you're SOL (I don't fit most).

Just ask if you need some help taming ffmpeg's command line (I'm
no expert -- by a very long shot, but already carry some scars :-)

regards
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#174751

On Tuesday 15 November 2016 04:51:06 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 08:54:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Hi all;
>
> [...]
>
> > Kino, as in running on a fully uptodate wheezy, apparently can't
> > find ffmpeg to make the conversion when I attempt to export this 1
> > minutes worth of raw-dv format video.  ffmpeg and all its friends
> > are installed. But in kino, the whole page of mpeg4 options is
> > ghosted out.
>
> There's a little trap around the last versions of Debian and ffmpeg.
> The default for ffmpeg changed from ffmpeg to libav and back (I can't
> remember at exactly which version).
>
> This may or may not contribute to yout kino problem.
>
> Otherwise, you might try to convert your video from the command line.
> Ffmpeg's man page seems daunting at first, but it's worth it, since
> most GUI video programs I've seen are extremely idiosyncratic. Either
> you fit the way they work or you're SOL (I don't fit most).
>
> Just ask if you need some help taming ffmpeg's command line (I'm
> no expert -- by a very long shot, but already carry some scars :-)
>
So do I from years past. But I found the web page with a list of kino's 
tools that kino uses, and installed all that would, and now the export 
menu is all alive and apparently well..

But, it turns out that aliexpress/alibaba has a broken refund request 
page, it takes all the data, including the filename of a 220 
megabyte .avi I went to the trouble of making, but at the top of the 
page, where you are supposed to be able to click on "open a dispute" and 
fill out the rest of the page, those buttons do not respond, nor do they 
indicate why.  So I am screwed, and will have to contest the charge on 
my card. Except my bank can't either for that charge, I just called 
them..

This is the 3rd time I've been screwed, total now north of $125, by this 
outfit over the last couple years, aliexpress/alibaba.  It will NOT 
happen again.

> regards
> -- t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#174753

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:01:30AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 November 2016 04:51:06 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 08:54:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

[ffmpeg]

> So do I from years past. But I found the web page with a list of kino's 
> tools that kino uses, and installed all that would, and now the export 
> menu is all alive and apparently well..

All is well, then...

> But, it turns out that aliexpress/alibaba has a broken refund request 
> page, it takes all the data, including the filename of a 220 
> megabyte .avi [...]

... or nearly. Sorry to hear that. At least you could DOS them if you
had enough data ;-) [1]

(fond memories of the times people were punished by being sent the
X sources, which were *much* smaller back then...)

regards

[1] No, I'm not serious. Really not.
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#174739

Hi Gene,
 
> Camera is a Sony Digital Hi-8 Handycam, firewire interface. 
> Raw video is bulky as its a digital format, full resolution of 
> 720x480.  so its close to 6 gigabytes a running minute when 
> captured over the  firewire port. 
> 
> The only movie editor we have, that can also control this camera 
> for  start/stop/capture etc, is kino. No other movie prosessing 
> utility we  have has ever been in the same county as a firewire 
> port

Did you try dvgrab? https://packages.debian.org/en/wheezy/dvgrab 
That’s what I use in commandline to capture Raw DV from my camera 
over firewire. I have an oldish Panasonic DV camera. Dvgrab knows 
perfectly how to start/stop it. I think dvgrab actually has some 
link to kino or the other way round.
 
> 
> Web submission site at aliexpress.com has no clue what to do 
> with a a  raw-dv file and refuses to take it as an 
> evidence submission. 
> 
> Kino, as in running on a fully uptodate wheezy, apparently can't 
> find  ffmpeg to make the conversion when I attempt to export 
> this 1 minutes  worth of raw-dv format video.  ffmpeg and all 
> its friends are installed.  But in kino, the whole page of mpeg4 
> options is ghosted out.

To convert from DV to mpeg4 you can use avidemux. It’s available 
on debian-multimedia.org, but it’s also easy to build it yourself 
if you don’t want to add a repo. Instructions here: 
http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php?id=build:install_2.6 
There’s an option to build directly a deb file. That’s what I use. 
Note that currently only the Qt interface seems to work on Jessie 
(GTK one segfaults at startup at least for me). Avidemux comes 
with its own implementation of ffmpeg. IIRC you must build and 
install its plugins too if you want mpeg4 conversion.

In avidemux, the settings I use to get an acceptable mp4 for the 
web are: MPEG4-AVC for the video, AAC for audio, and of course MP4 
as a container.

I hope it helps. Good luck!

Victor

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#174757

On Tuesday 15 November 2016 06:08:44 Victor A. Stoichita wrote:

> Hi Gene,
>
> > Camera is a Sony Digital Hi-8 Handycam, firewire interface.
> > Raw video is bulky as its a digital format, full resolution of
> > 720x480.  so its close to 6 gigabytes a running minute when
> > captured over the  firewire port.
> >
> > The only movie editor we have, that can also control this camera
> > for  start/stop/capture etc, is kino. No other movie prosessing
> > utility we  have has ever been in the same county as a firewire
> > port
>
> Did you try dvgrab? https://packages.debian.org/en/wheezy/dvgrab
> That’s what I use in commandline to capture Raw DV from my camera
> over firewire. I have an oldish Panasonic DV camera. Dvgrab knows
> perfectly how to start/stop it. I think dvgrab actually has some
> link to kino or the other way round.
>
> > Web submission site at aliexpress.com has no clue what to do
> > with a a  raw-dv file and refuses to take it as an
> > evidence submission.
> >
> > Kino, as in running on a fully uptodate wheezy, apparently can't
> > find  ffmpeg to make the conversion when I attempt to export
> > this 1 minutes  worth of raw-dv format video.  ffmpeg and all
> > its friends are installed.  But in kino, the whole page of mpeg4
> > options is ghosted out.
>
> To convert from DV to mpeg4 you can use avidemux. It’s available
> on debian-multimedia.org, but it’s also easy to build it yourself
> if you don’t want to add a repo. Instructions here:
> http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php?id=build:install_2.6
> There’s an option to build directly a deb file. That’s what I use.
> Note that currently only the Qt interface seems to work on Jessie
> (GTK one segfaults at startup at least for me). Avidemux comes
> with its own implementation of ffmpeg. IIRC you must build and
> install its plugins too if you want mpeg4 conversion.
>
> In avidemux, the settings I use to get an acceptable mp4 for the
> web are: MPEG4-AVC for the video, AAC for audio, and of course MP4
> as a container.
>
> I hope it helps. Good luck!
>
> Victor

The last time I looked at dvgrab, it had no camera controls, but I'll 
have to admit that was several years ago. But can it edit? kino can.

Odd, I can't find it in the tde menu's, but synaptic says it is 
installed, but no docs. So I turned on the camera, and ran it from the 
cli. I found the camera, and generated a file, but it never started the 
camera in playback mode. Ack the manpage it needed a -i option. And I 
see that Dan Dennedy wrote both, so its possible that kino uses dvgrab 
to do the capture,  Interesting.  And you, Victor, should look at 
kino. :)

Thanks.
0Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#174775

> The last time I looked at dvgrab, it had no camera controls, but I'll 
> have to admit that was several years ago. But can it edit? kino can.
>
> Odd, I can't find it in the tde menu's, but synaptic says it is 
> installed, but no docs. So I turned on the camera, and ran it from the 
> cli. I found the camera, and generated a file, but it never started the 
> camera in playback mode. Ack the manpage it needed a -i option. And I 
> see that Dan Dennedy wrote both, so its possible that kino uses dvgrab 
> to do the capture,  Interesting.  And you, Victor, should look at 
> kino. :)

I’m glad you sort of made it work! Interactive camera controls are
indeed behind the -i option in dvgrab. And you’re right, dvgrab can’t
edit, it’s just an acquisition tool.

I tried Kino some 10 years ago. I remember being a bit frustrated by
frequent crashes and editing oddities. Your recommandation made me
curious so I just checked Kino’s website. The last news dates back from
2013 and reads:

> "Kino is a dead project
> ( 05.08.2013 14:15 )
> Kino has not been actively maintained since 2009. We encourage you to
> try other Linux video editors such as Shotcut, Kdenlive, Flowblade,
> OpenShot, PiTiVi, LiVES, and LightWorks."

In the last years I’ve been using Openshot for simple editing. It proved
quite reliable. I also have an eye on PiTiVi but it still crashes too
often on me. I haven’t tried the others in the list. For more complex
stuff I managed to finish a couple of projects with Cinelerra, which
could be worth considering as an option too.

Cheers,
Victor

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