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  LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-13 00:10 +0100
    Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-11-13 00:30 +0100
      Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-13 01:00 +0100
        Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-11-13 01:20 +0100
          Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-11-13 10:40 +0100
            Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-13 12:20 +0100
          Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-13 12:00 +0100
        Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-11-13 01:40 +0100
          Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-11-14 18:20 +0100

#174615 — LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

I am thinking of buying one of these for use with Debian and TDE.  What was 
said the other day gave me a slight pause for thought, but I was partly 
reassured.

Comments please!

Lenovo 11.6 Inch Ideapad 100s Intel Atom 2GB 32GB 
http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5163519

Thank you.

Lisi

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#174616

Hi,

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 23:04:21 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am thinking of buying one of these for use with Debian and TDE.  What
> was said the other day gave me a slight pause for thought, but I was
> partly reassured.
> 
> Comments please!
> 
> Lenovo 11.6 Inch Ideapad 100s Intel Atom 2GB 32GB 
> http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5163519

when it's to be used with debian, this one is currently only for the
brave ;-)
I own such a device, currently internal wifi works well enough with a
third party driver. If you care about bluetooth, you're so far totally
out of luck. Sound does not work yet either. Suspend / Hibernate does not
work. Occasionally the screen freezes, forcing the user to do a hard
reset. Plus the 32-bit Efi troubles to make the install media boot.

Considering the price I think the device would not be bad, if they would
be able to fix these issues. From what I have been reading, it seems like
people from Intel are working on linux fixes for this and similar
devices, but even if things go well some patience is required. 

See also here (not sure if this page will be updated if the situation
changes, though): https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113151

Regards

Michael


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#174617 — Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On Saturday 12 November 2016 23:23:09 Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 23:04:21 +0000
>
> Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am thinking of buying one of these for use with Debian and TDE.  What
> > was said the other day gave me a slight pause for thought, but I was
> > partly reassured.
> >
> > Comments please!
> >
> > Lenovo 11.6 Inch Ideapad 100s Intel Atom 2GB 32GB
> > http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5163519
>
> when it's to be used with debian, this one is currently only for the
> brave ;-)
> I own such a device, currently internal wifi works well enough with a
> third party driver. If you care about bluetooth, you're so far totally
> out of luck. Sound does not work yet either. Suspend / Hibernate does not
> work. Occasionally the screen freezes, forcing the user to do a hard
> reset. Plus the 32-bit Efi troubles to make the install media boot.
>
> Considering the price I think the device would not be bad, if they would
> be able to fix these issues. From what I have been reading, it seems like
> people from Intel are working on linux fixes for this and similar
> devices, but even if things go well some patience is required.
>
> See also here (not sure if this page will be updated if the situation
> changes, though): https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113151

Thanks, Michael.  Very helpful.  I don't mind about having to struggle a 
little, and Bluetooth doesn't worry me, but sound is a bit of a killer. 

What about either of these Chromebooks:
Acer Chromebook 11.6 Inch Celeron 2GB 16GB
http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5487972

Asus Chromebook C201 11.6 Inch 2GB 16GB
http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5763830
?

Can anyone speak to these?
Thanks!

Lisi

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#174618 — Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On 11/12/2016 05:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 12 November 2016 23:23:09 Michael Lange wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 23:04:21 +0000
>>
>> Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am thinking of buying one of these for use with Debian and TDE.  What
>>> was said the other day gave me a slight pause for thought, but I was
>>> partly reassured.
>>>
>>> Comments please!
>>>
>>> Lenovo 11.6 Inch Ideapad 100s Intel Atom 2GB 32GB
>>> http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5163519
>> when it's to be used with debian, this one is currently only for the
>> brave ;-)
>> I own such a device, currently internal wifi works well enough with a
>> third party driver. If you care about bluetooth, you're so far totally
>> out of luck. Sound does not work yet either. Suspend / Hibernate does not
>> work. Occasionally the screen freezes, forcing the user to do a hard
>> reset. Plus the 32-bit Efi troubles to make the install media boot.
>>
>> Considering the price I think the device would not be bad, if they would
>> be able to fix these issues. From what I have been reading, it seems like
>> people from Intel are working on linux fixes for this and similar
>> devices, but even if things go well some patience is required.
>>
>> See also here (not sure if this page will be updated if the situation
>> changes, though): https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113151
> Thanks, Michael.  Very helpful.  I don't mind about having to struggle a
> little, and Bluetooth doesn't worry me, but sound is a bit of a killer.
>
> What about either of these Chromebooks:
> Acer Chromebook 11.6 Inch Celeron 2GB 16GB
> http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5487972
>
> Asus Chromebook C201 11.6 Inch 2GB 16GB
> http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5763830
> ?
>
> Can anyone speak to these?
> Thanks!
>
> Lisi
>
>
>
>
I don't know what these Chromebooks sell for, and of course you know 
that they are diskless
(which is maybe what you want) but there are frequently sales of 
refurbished used Dell laptops
in the $120 to $160 price range, and they are 14" or 15" with at least 
256 GiB drives and 4 GiB ram.
Try and get one with something other than Broadcom wifi--it's a real 
challenge to make it work,
unless you want to run Windows.

--doug

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#174629 — Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:10:21 -0600
Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:


> >  
> I don't know what these Chromebooks sell for, and of course you know 
> that they are diskless
> (which is maybe what you want) but there are frequently sales of 
> refurbished used Dell laptops
> in the $120 to $160 price range, and they are 14" or 15" with at
> least 256 GiB drives and 4 GiB ram.
> Try and get one with something other than Broadcom wifi--it's a real 
> challenge to make it work,
> unless you want to run Windows.
> 

The size is an issue, at least for me. I have an HP 15" laptop, which
cost maybe $250 brand new, as I need a Windows laptop to run various
odd peripherals. But it travels with me by car, there's no way I would
carry that beast around on a strap.

I also have an Acer Aspire One netbook, which I carry around when I need
a portable computer for anything other than work. It weighs a fraction
of what the big laptop weighs. It has a small, slow SSD, so I also
carry a (genuinely) pocket-sized USB hard drive for more demanding jobs,
probably the smallest ever made and, of course, unobtainable now.
Almost every [x86-based] computer I've ever tried boots from this, and
both netbook and drive run Debian unstable.

Both are more than five years old, which is not a bad life for portable
stuff. I've been looking for replacements for some time, but tablets and
netbook-sized stuff all seem unable to run Linux (the Acer came with
Linpus, based on Fedora). Sorry, I don't count it as 'running' if only
half of the hardware works. Time seems to be running out, modern
hardware no longer has an Ethernet port and has only one or two USB
ports. I want a *computer*, if I wanted a toy I'd get a smartphone.

-- 
Joe

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#174635 — Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On Sunday 13 November 2016 09:38:52 Joe wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:10:21 -0600
>
> Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
> > I don't know what these Chromebooks sell for, and of course you know
> > that they are diskless
> > (which is maybe what you want) but there are frequently sales of
> > refurbished used Dell laptops

Dells tend to be particularly heavy.

> > in the $120 to $160 price range, and they are 14" or 15" with at
> > least 256 GiB drives and 4 GiB ram.
> > Try and get one with something other than Broadcom wifi--it's a real
> > challenge to make it work,
> > unless you want to run Windows.
>
> The size is an issue, at least for me. I have an HP 15" laptop, which
> cost maybe $250 brand new, as I need a Windows laptop to run various
> odd peripherals. But it travels with me by car, there's no way I would
> carry that beast around on a strap.

Quite!!  That is the whole point.  I am aiming at less than a kilo.  (Around 2 
pounds the other side of the pond.)
>
> I also have an Acer Aspire One netbook, which I carry around when I need
> a portable computer for anything other than work.

Excuse me while I weep and re-don and rend my black clothes.  My much loved 
and perfect Acer Aspire One, which ran Debian and TDE with EVERYTHING 
working, was conned out of me (more fool me :-(  ) and *dismantled* for 
*spares*.  That is what I would like to replace.  I could buy a second hand 
one, but I have had bad experiences except where I knew the seller.

> It weighs a fraction 
> of what the big laptop weighs. It has a small, slow SSD, so I also
> carry a (genuinely) pocket-sized USB hard drive for more demanding jobs,
> probably the smallest ever made and, of course, unobtainable now.
> Almost every [x86-based] computer I've ever tried boots from this, and
> both netbook and drive run Debian unstable.
>
> Both are more than five years old, which is not a bad life for portable
> stuff. I've been looking for replacements for some time, but tablets and
> netbook-sized stuff all seem unable to run Linux (the Acer came with
> Linpus, based on Fedora).

Yes, so did mine.  I left Linpus on while I went on holiday since I was afraid 
that I might have some trouble getting the wireless going in the time 
available, and "after all, how bad can any Linux be?".  I found out.

Linpus lasted about 30 seconds after I got back from holiday and I installed 
Debian.  The wireless almost just worked.  This was some years ago.  I needed 
a backported kernel and a backported wicd.  That was it.  That was all I had 
to do and the whole thing Just Worked.

> Sorry, I don't count it as 'running' if only 
> half of the hardware works. Time seems to be running out, modern
> hardware no longer has an Ethernet port and has only one or two USB
> ports. I want a *computer*, if I wanted a toy I'd get a smartphone.

I know.  I have a tablet, but I don't like it.  It isn't a computer.  It runs 
Android for when I need it.

Lisi
<adds ashes on head to rent black clothes>

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#174634 — Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On Sunday 13 November 2016 06:10:21 Doug wrote:
> > Acer Chromebook 11.6 Inch Celeron 2GB 16GB
> > http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5487972
> >
> > Asus Chromebook C201 11.6 Inch 2GB 16GB
> > http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5763830
> > ?
> >
> > Can anyone speak to these?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lisi
>
> I don't know what these Chromebooks sell for, and of course you know
> that they are diskless
> (which is maybe what you want)

They have eMMC storage which is fine.

Lisi

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#174620 — Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 23:51:46 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't mind about having to struggle
> a little, and Bluetooth doesn't worry me, but sound is a bit of a
> killer. 

I just looked again at https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117141
where the sound issue is being discussed, there is now a link pointing to
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/a68bc0d43e1b96c374c4b03eb9baa662778357b3#diff-ad362ef9a62cab4653b68cafab76824b
which may or may not fix the sound problems with kernel 4.9, I think I'll
try this out one of these days.

Regards

Michael

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#174705 — Re: Two Chromebooks: was Re: LENOVO IdeaPad 100S 11.6" Laptop

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:27:57 +0100
Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 23:51:46 +0000
> Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I don't mind about having to struggle
> > a little, and Bluetooth doesn't worry me, but sound is a bit of a
> > killer. 
> 
> I just looked again at
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117141 where the sound
> issue is being discussed, there is now a link pointing to
> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/a68bc0d43e1b96c374c4b03eb9baa662778357b3#diff-ad362ef9a62cab4653b68cafab76824b
> which may or may not fix the sound problems with kernel 4.9, I think
> I'll try this out one of these days.

Ok, just for the record: tried kernel 4.9.0, still no sound with the
Ideapad 100S.


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