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  A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-17 16:50 +0200
    Re: A minimalist network Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-08-17 17:20 +0200
      Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-17 17:40 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-17 19:00 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-17 23:20 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-17 23:50 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 00:10 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-18 00:40 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 01:20 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-08-18 01:50 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 14:00 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-19 18:40 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-08-18 03:30 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-08-19 10:20 +0200
      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-17 23:10 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 23:20 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 00:40 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-18 00:40 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-17 23:20 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 00:30 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2016-08-18 00:50 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-08-18 03:30 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-18 04:00 +0200
                Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 14:20 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2016-08-18 12:40 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 22:10 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 14:10 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-17 23:40 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-17 23:50 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-18 01:30 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 00:50 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-08-18 01:30 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-08-18 13:00 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 19:10 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 19:20 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 19:40 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-08-18 20:00 +0200
    Re: A minimalist network "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2016-08-17 17:20 +0200
      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-17 22:50 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 23:30 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 14:10 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 16:50 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 14:00 +0200
    Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-17 23:40 +0200
      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 00:50 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 01:10 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-18 01:40 +0200
    Re: A minimalist network David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-08-18 03:10 +0200
      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-18 16:00 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 16:10 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 14:50 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-08-19 15:10 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 15:50 +0200
                Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-19 19:50 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-19 16:00 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 16:00 +0200
                Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 17:00 +0200
                  Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 19:40 +0200
                    Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-19 21:20 +0200
                    Re: A minimalist network Mike McClain <mike.junk@copper.net> - 2016-08-20 08:40 +0200
                      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-20 13:30 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2016-08-20 22:00 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-18 17:10 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-08-18 17:30 +0200
            RE: A minimalist network Bonno Bloksma <b.bloksma@tio.nl> - 2016-08-19 12:20 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:40 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Tim McDonough <tmcdonough@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:50 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 18:10 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-18 19:00 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:40 +0200
        Re: A minimalist network David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-08-18 21:00 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 21:30 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 21:40 +0200
          Re: A minimalist network Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-08-18 22:40 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 23:20 +0200
              Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 15:00 +0200
                Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 16:00 +0200
                  Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 16:10 +0200
                    Re: A minimalist network Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 16:50 +0200
                      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 20:00 +0200
                    Re: A minimalist network Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-19 17:50 +0200
                      Re: A minimalist network Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-08-19 20:10 +0200
            Re: A minimalist network Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-18 23:20 +0200

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#171335

On 8/19/2016 7:42 PM, Mike McClain wrote:
> Don't know if this will help but...

It will. Perhaps not in the way you would expect. Early in this 
thread I asked "What questions should I be asking?" Your post 
provides guidelines to creating for myself those questions. I 
hope that makes sense.

> I have a 2 box network, Wheezy and Win2K, cable connected and able to
> access directories on the Win2K box from Debian.

I have a set of Wheezy DVD's so I can avoid one possible source 
of ambiguity.

> Never needed to go the other way.

I don't see that I currently have a need to go the other way.

> The Linux box is named playground, the Win2K box South40.
> There is a router between them but it's not necessary (belt&suspenders).

Pedagogically I'd prefer {belt OR suspenders} to {belt AND 
suspenders}.

>[snip details of set up]

Thank you.

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#171341

Hi Richard,

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 07:41:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> As I had said in last paragraph of
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html :
> "Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on my
> desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when ethernet
> connection is live?"

If you ever have a need to administer the Linux machine while not being
in front of it then you will probably find this easiest over ssh.
Yes, you could argue that you do not need the encryption features of
ssh since the data only goes over this short cable inside your home,
but really, ssh is so ubiquitous that it's probably not worth using
any different solution.

If remote (and remote may include things like, over wifi from
another room in your house) administration is never going to be
something you do, as you'll be doing all work from the physical
keyboard of the machine, then maybe ssh is something you don't need
to run. Running ssh also allows file transfer with scp or sftp.

>From what I can tell you haven't actually got IP connectivity going
yet though, so perhaps talk of ssh is premature. Perhaps get
networking working before you consider which networking applications
you're going to install.

Cheers,
Andy

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#171250

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 09:58:23 AM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> > On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

> > 6.  Distances between devices.

...

> 6. < 1 ft.

Because I learned one thing here already (Gigabit ethernet usually doesn't 
require crossover cables), I'll see if I can learn something else ;-)

Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable length 
for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e., I don't 
recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5 and Cat 6, 
all of the above or just some of the above.  I always used a minimum of 6' and 
that worked for me.

Does that apply for Gigabit Ethernet?

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#171251

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable length 
> for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e., I don't 
> recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5 and Cat 6, 
> all of the above or just some of the above.  I always used a minimum of 6' and 
> that worked for me.
> 
> Does that apply for Gigabit Ethernet?

Sort of, but not directly.

Ethernet and fast-ethernet have minimum cable lengths specified.  There
is no minimum cable length specified for gigabit ethernet (1000BASE-T).

For gigabit ethernet, what matters is that none of the crosstalk
parameters are exceeded.  So, any length of cable *as long as it
certifies as CAT5e/6/6A* will work for gigabit ethernet.

In practice, you'll find good CAT6 1m patch cables readly available,
I've never seen anyone bother selling anything shorter than that, but
YMMV.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

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#171293

Hi,


>> Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable 
>> length for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it 
>> applied--i.e., I don't recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin 
[...]
>> Does that apply for Gigabit Ethernet?
> 
> Sort of, but not directly.
> 
> Ethernet and fast-ethernet have minimum cable lengths specified.  There
> is no minimum cable length specified for gigabit ethernet (1000BASE-T).
> 
> For gigabit ethernet, what matters is that none of the crosstalk parameters
> are exceeded.  So, any length of cable *as long as it certifies as CAT5e/6/6A*
> will work for gigabit ethernet.
> 
> In practice, you'll find good CAT6 1m patch cables readly available, I've
> never seen anyone bother selling anything shorter than that, but YMMV.

For switch to switch connections I use Cat6 0,5m cables a lot, that is just under 2ft.

Bonno Bloksma

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#171253

On Thursday 18 August 2016 16:07:28 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable
> length for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e.,
> I don't recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5
> and Cat 6, all of the above or just some of the above.  I always used a
> minimum of 6' and that worked for me.

I have frequently used shorter ones.  I think that the shortest I have ever 
actually used was 30 cm. (12") (Cat 5 and Cat 5e.)  So far I have never had 
occasion to use a short Cat6 patch cable.

Lisi

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#171255

On 8/18/2016 10:07 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> Because I learned one thing here already (Gigabit ethernet usually 
> doesn't
> require crossover cables), I'll see if I can learn something else ;-)
>
> Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable length
> for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e., I don't
> recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5 and Cat 6,
> all of the above or just some of the above.  I always used a minimum of 6' and
> that worked for me.
>
> Does that apply for Gigabit Ethernet?

I believe that only applied to the older 10Base2 (thinnet) type networks 
that used coaxial cables instead of twisted pair wiring. I do not recall 
the minimum length either.

Tim

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#171257

On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 11:07:28 (-0400), rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 09:58:23 AM Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> > > On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > > 6.  Distances between devices.
> 
> ...
> 
> > 6. < 1 ft.
> 
> Because I learned one thing here already (Gigabit ethernet usually doesn't 
> require crossover cables), I'll see if I can learn something else ;-)
> 
> Back in the "good ole days" there used to be a minimum segment / cable length 
> for an Ethernet cable--I don't recall to what all it applied--i.e., I don't 
> recall if it applied to thick Ethernet, thin (coax) Ethernet, Cat 5 and Cat 6, 
> all of the above or just some of the above.  I always used a minimum of 6' and 
> that worked for me.
> 
> Does that apply for Gigabit Ethernet?

6 feet is sensible. This may be why modems and routers come with
6-foot cables, the cheapest guaranteed to work. Shorter could give
problems with cheap devices.

But there's no harm in the devices themselves being closer,
eg stacked, as long as the ventilation works and you don't have our
sort of weather (often >100°F outside).

In days of yore, there was a minimum distance on coax because
every transmission was effectively a broadcast, and had to pass a
certain distance (≡time) before any reply would be recognised *as a
reply* rather than the transmitter hearing itself transmitting.
And if you had a problem, everyone on that segment would share it too.
They say half a metre, but we were not allowed anything less than
one metre. And 50Ω, not 75Ω TV cable!

Cheers,
David.

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#171260

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:04:16 -0500
David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:


> 
> In days of yore, there was a minimum distance on coax because
> every transmission was effectively a broadcast, and had to pass a
> certain distance (≡time) before any reply would be recognised *as a
> reply* rather than the transmitter hearing itself transmitting.

I doubt that was it. A metre of coax will have a delay of 10-20ns,
which was the blink of an eye to hardware of that era. Collisions would
have been detected by abnormal levels, which is why termination of the
cable was such a big deal. Coax-based Ethernet was basically analogue
video technology. Except for, as you say, the damn' stupid 50 Ohms...

-- 
Joe

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#171252

On Thursday 18 August 2016 14:58:23 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> > On 08/17/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> I wish to connect two laptops via Ethernet.
> >>
> >> The Debian machine is having various configurations of Jessie installed.
> >> Consider it a laboratory experiment. It can have multiple installs in a
> >> day. It intentionally has *NO* internet connectivity. It has a small
> >> partition set aside for preseed.cfg and miscellaneous scripts.
> >>
> >> The second machine is running WinXP Pro SP3 and serves as source of
> >> preseed and script files.
> >>
> >> My internet searches turn up too much outdated information and/or fine
> >> detail. Most link assume a server with multiple clients. Better
> >> description would be a peer to peer setup. It may be convenient to have
> >> the Windows machine act as a terminal for the Debian machine.
> >
> > It would help if you provided more information about your network and
> > computers:
> >
> > 1.  Laptop make, model, and version, CPU make and model, RAM size,
> > HDD/SSD size, and Ethernet speed of Windows laptop.
> >
> > 2.  Experimental laptop and key parameters (as above).
> >
> > 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> >
> > 4.  Router and/or routing software.
> >
> > 5.  Any other devices we should know about.
> >
> > 6.  Distances between devices.
>
> 1. ThinkPad T43 [https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd012235]
> 2. ThinkPad R61 [https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd013965]
> 3. N/A
> 4. TBD
> 5. none
> 6. < 1 ft.

Are you not on the Internet at all?  I thought that your Windows computer did 
have a *limited* connection, at which rate you must have a modem of some 
kind, albeit possibly internal.

Lisi

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#171272

On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> 3. N/A

So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?


David

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#171277

On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 11:50:23 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> > 3. N/A
> 
> So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
> the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?

Keep up, there at the back! :)

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00930.html

Cheers,
David.

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#171278

On Thu 18 Aug 2016 at 11:50:23 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> > 3. N/A
> 
> So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
> the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?

and

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/06/msg00909.html

Cheers,
David.

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#171281

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David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:

>On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:  
>>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.  
>> 3. N/A  
>
>So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
>the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?
>
>
>David
>

Why do they have to be connected to the Internet? I have four computers
here. Three are not connected, one is. 

- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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#171282

On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
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> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700
>
> David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> >On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> >>
> >> 3. N/A
> >
> >So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
> >the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?
> >
> >
> >David
>
> Why do they have to be connected to the Internet? I have four computers
> here. Three are not connected, one is.

So one of Richard's two has to be connected.

Lisi

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#171301

On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
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>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700
>>
>> David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
>>>>
>>>> 3. N/A
>>>
>>> So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
>>> the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>
>> Why do they have to be connected to the Internet? I have four computers
>> here. Three are not connected, one is.
>
> So one of Richard's two has to be connected.
>

Not really ;)
As I had said in last paragraph of 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html :
"Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on 
my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when 
ethernet connection is live?"

The sole purpose of the Ethernet connection is to avoid 
sneakernet when transferring small preseed.cfg and script files 
from the WinXP machine to my Debian experiment.

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#171307

On Friday 19 August 2016 13:55:39 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700
> >>
> >> David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> >>> On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >>>>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. N/A
> >>>
> >>> So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
> >>> the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>
> >> Why do they have to be connected to the Internet? I have four computers
> >> here. Three are not connected, one is.
> >
> > So one of Richard's two has to be connected.
>
> Not really ;)
> As I had said in last paragraph of
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html :
> "Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on
> my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when
> ethernet connection is live?"
>
> The sole purpose of the Ethernet connection is to avoid
> sneakernet when transferring small preseed.cfg and script files
> from the WinXP machine to my Debian experiment.

Correction - or rather, expansion to include what was clearly inferred. ;-)

So one of Richard's two has to be connected., AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE 
TIME.  ;-)

Lisi

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#171308

On 8/19/2016 8:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 19 August 2016 13:55:39 Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700
>>>>
>>>> David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>>>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. N/A
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
>>>>> the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Why do they have to be connected to the Internet? I have four computers
>>>> here. Three are not connected, one is.
>>>
>>> So one of Richard's two has to be connected.
>>
>> Not really ;)
>> As I had said in last paragraph of
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html :
>> "Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on
>> my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when
>> ethernet connection is live?"
>>
>> The sole purpose of the Ethernet connection is to avoid
>> sneakernet when transferring small preseed.cfg and script files
>> from the WinXP machine to my Debian experiment.
>
> Correction - or rather, expansion to include what was clearly inferred. ;-)
>
> So one of Richard's two has to be connected., AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE
> TIME.  ;-)
>
> Lisi
>

NO <GRIN>
I physically have two other machines on my desk which I could 
serve nicely to connect to the internet. Connecting either of the 
T43 or R61 ha NEVER been considered ;)

People keep presuming me to be normal and/or typical. Relatives 
gave up that idea eons ago.

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#171309

On Friday 19 August 2016 15:08:03 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 8/19/2016 8:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 19 August 2016 13:55:39 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 8/18/2016 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>> On Thursday 18 August 2016 20:46:14 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>>> Hash: SHA256
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:23 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>> David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 08/18/2016 06:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/17/2016 8:07 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >>>>>>> 3.  Internet modem or gateway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. N/A
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, the laptops are not connected to the Internet?  How do you access
> >>>>> the Internet to post and read this list, download Debian ISO's, etc.?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> Why do they have to be connected to the Internet? I have four
> >>>> computers here. Three are not connected, one is.
> >>>
> >>> So one of Richard's two has to be connected.
> >>
> >> Not really ;)
> >> As I had said in last paragraph of
> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00609.html :
> >> "Why would I be interested in ssh as both machines are sitting on
> >> my desk and _neither_ will be connected to the internet when
> >> ethernet connection is live?"
> >>
> >> The sole purpose of the Ethernet connection is to avoid
> >> sneakernet when transferring small preseed.cfg and script files
> >> from the WinXP machine to my Debian experiment.
> >
> > Correction - or rather, expansion to include what was clearly inferred.
> > ;-)
> >
> > So one of Richard's two has to be connected., AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE
> > TIME.  ;-)
> >
> > Lisi
>
> NO <GRIN>
> I physically have two other machines on my desk which I could
> serve nicely to connect to the internet. Connecting either of the
> T43 or R61 ha NEVER been considered ;)

OK.  I misunderstood.  I thought you were saying that you only had those two 
machines, but you don't seem actually to have said it.  Mea culpa.  So you 
connect to teh internet how and when?  You imply here that oyu odn't use 
either of thsoe other two machines.  At the local library?  (I am not being 
facetious - that is definitely possible.)  But you have got an ISP.  ISTR you 
settled on what I think (and I may have it wrong) you (plural) call a limited 
cell-phone connection.  (I don't understand all the terminology, but I think 
you settled on a limited connection of the same type as what we call 4G and 
3G.) 
>
> People keep presuming me to be normal and/or typical. Relatives
> gave up that idea eons ago.

Whatever gives you the idea that anyone presumes anything of the sort?  And 
what, pray, on this list, is "normal and typical"???  ;-)

Lisi

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#171319

On 8/19/2016 9:42 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>[snip]
>>>
>>> So one of Richard's two has to be connected., AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE
>>> TIME.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Lisi
>>
>> NO <GRIN>
>> I physically have two other machines on my desk which I could
>> serve nicely to connect to the internet. Connecting either of the
>> T43 or R61 ha NEVER been considered ;)
>
> OK.  I misunderstood.  I thought you were saying that you only had those two
> machines, but you don't seem actually to have said it.  Mea culpa.  So you
> connect to teh internet how and when?  You imply here that oyu odn't use
> either of thsoe other two machines.  At the local library?  (I am not being
> facetious - that is definitely possible.)  But you have got an ISP.  ISTR you
> settled on what I think (and I may have it wrong) you (plural) call a limited
> cell-phone connection.  (I don't understand all the terminology, but I think
> you settled on a limited connection of the same type as what we call 4G and
> 3G.)

Are conflating several of my projects.

A little over a year ago I was investigating how to replace my 
dialup connection which was being terminated by my then ISP. My 
current ISP is now T-Mobile as I purchase one of their Z915's 
described as "4G LTE Hotspot". I've disabled the "WiFi Hotspot" 
feature and use it essentially as a modem.

This thread is a side issue to a project about configuring Debian 
Jessie "My Way". To support the multiple re-installations of 
Debian I have been creating preseed.cfg and various scripts on my 
WinXP machine. Those files would be written to a flash drive 
which would then be used on the next iteration of my Debian 
install. I got tired of sneakernet and decided to connect the two 
laptops with 36" of Cat6 cable.

>>
>> People keep presuming me to be normal and/or typical. Relatives
>> gave up that idea eons ago.
>
> Whatever gives you the idea that anyone presumes anything of the sort?  And
> what, pray, on this list, is "normal and typical"???  ;-)

GRIN!

>
> Lisi
>
>

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