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| Started by | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| First post | 2016-08-13 05:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2016-09-08 16:20 +0200 |
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Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-08-13 05:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-08-13 06:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-08-15 14:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> - 2016-08-16 18:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-08-16 22:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-17 04:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-08-17 05:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-17 13:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-08-15 16:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 08:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-17 20:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> - 2016-08-25 20:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 11:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-08-30 15:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 16:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-08-30 16:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 16:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 20:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-08-30 17:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2016-08-30 17:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 18:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 18:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-08-30 23:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 19:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 20:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 23:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 23:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 01:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 00:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 01:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 02:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 22:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 12:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-08-31 16:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 16:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 17:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-08-31 17:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-08-31 20:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 22:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-08-31 18:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 18:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 18:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-08-31 18:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 20:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-08-31 20:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 23:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 21:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 20:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 21:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-30 18:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 20:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-30 21:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 23:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-08-30 21:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 21:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-30 22:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-30 22:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2016-08-30 17:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 18:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 20:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 20:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 20:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-30 21:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 22:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 22:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 20:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 08:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-08-31 09:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 11:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 14:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 10:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 11:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-02 15:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-09-02 18:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 15:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-08-31 15:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 20:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-09-01 18:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 20:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-09-01 21:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-08-31 16:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 10:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 16:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-31 20:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 22:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> - 2016-08-17 16:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-08-17 16:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> - 2016-08-17 18:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-08-17 19:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2016-08-17 20:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-08-17 21:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-17 21:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-09-01 17:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> - 2016-09-01 22:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 07:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-09-03 15:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 11:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-09-03 15:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-07 15:20 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2016-09-07 15:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-09-07 17:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-07 19:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-09-08 01:10 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 01:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-09-08 02:00 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-09-08 05:50 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-09-08 06:30 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2016-09-08 13:40 +0200
Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-09-08 13:50 +0200
GNU (was Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-09-08 15:20 +0200
Re: GNU (was Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?) Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 15:40 +0200
Re: GNU "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-09-08 16:20 +0200
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-08-13 05:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Decentralized reliable instant messaging? |
| Message-ID | <s5xkZ-23B-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP,
...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not
connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them
when I'm back online. ]
IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable delivery, but
it seems that it's not widely supported by clients. What Debian
clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant messaging?
Stefan
PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android
application that's Free Software.
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| From | Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> |
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| Date | 2016-08-13 06:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s5yqJ-3rD-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171052 |
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > when I'm back online. ] While still new, I see that Matrix <URL:https://matrix.org/> is a decentralised communication platform which does what you describe and more. > PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android > application that's Free Software. The Vector client <URL:http://vector.im/> is a good-looking Matrix client for web and mobile OSen. Neither of them are packaged in Debian yet; please help if you can! <URL:https://bugs.debian.org/830601> -- \ “For myself, I am an optimist — it does not seem to be much use | `\ being anything else.” —Winston Churchill, 1954-11-09 | _o__) | Ben Finney
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2016-08-15 14:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s6plo-5AL-43@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171052 |
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:49:59PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > when I'm back online. ] I believe that's called "electronic mail" or "email".
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> |
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| Date | 2016-08-16 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s6Pzb-5pz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171100 |
>> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP,
>> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not
>> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them
>> when I'm back online. ]
> I believe that's called "electronic mail" or "email".
There's that, and there are SMS messages as well, indeed.
But email is a lot more heavyweight and drowned in spam (e.g. most
people don't get notified right away when they receive an email
message), and SMS is basically limited to cell-phone only (you can find
services that let you send SMS messages from something like a SIP
account, but I haven't found any corresponding service for the
reception of SMS messages, except some that just drop the SMS message
if the SIP delivery cannot be performed because you're not connected).
Stefan
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| From | Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-16 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s6T05-7HZ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171145 |
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:47:35AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > >> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > >> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > >> when I'm back online. ] > > I believe that's called "electronic mail" or "email". > > There's that, and there are SMS messages as well, indeed. > But email is a lot more heavyweight and drowned in spam (e.g. most > people don't get notified right away when they receive an email I consider this an absolute pro not a con. All os vendors seem that ADD is the way to go. Interrupting you with benign nonsense every 10 seconds. No wonder that the average attention span is ~ 2 seconds. The only advantage of most messaging protocols is presence awareness. In every other aspect e-mail is superior. > message), and SMS is basically limited to cell-phone only (you can find > services that let you send SMS messages from something like a SIP > account, but I haven't found any corresponding service for the > reception of SMS messages, except some that just drop the SMS message > if the SIP delivery cannot be performed because you're not connected). > > > Stefan > -H -- Henning Follmann | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 04:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s6Z5v-3gS-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171145 |
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:47:35 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > >> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > >> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > >> when I'm back online. ] > > > > I believe that's called "electronic mail" or "email". > > There's that, and there are SMS messages as well, indeed. > But email is a lot more heavyweight and drowned in spam (e.g. most > people don't get notified right away when they receive an email > message), and SMS is basically limited to cell-phone only (you can find > services that let you send SMS messages from something like a SIP > account, but I haven't found any corresponding service for the > reception of SMS messages, except some that just drop the SMS message > if the SIP delivery cannot be performed because you're not connected). Google Voice can send and receive text messages (to and from cell phones or other google voice users)--iiuc, those are SMS messages. Currently I don't have anything set up to notify me, but I asume (I know) that can be done within a web browser.
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| From | Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 05:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s6ZId-3Jv-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171155 |
rhkramer@gmail.com writes: > On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:47:35 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > > >> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > > >> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > > >> when I'm back online. ] > > > > > > I believe that's called "electronic mail" or "email". > > > > There's that, and there are SMS messages as well, indeed. SMS probably does not count as a decentralised system in the sense the original poster is seeking. > Google Voice Google's services are highly centralised to a single vendor. -- \ “Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in | `\ behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.” —Ambrose | _o__) Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_, 1906 | Ben Finney
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 13:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s77mp-pk-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171156 |
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:22:10 PM Ben Finney wrote: > rhkramer@gmail.com writes: > SMS probably does not count as a decentralised system in the sense the > original poster is seeking. > > > Google Voice > > Google's services are highly centralised to a single vendor. I am not sure what you mean in this context--I can send and receive text messages (and phone calls) to / from any other SMS / telephone service. (And, using Google Mail, the same for emails.)
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| From | Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-15 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s6r3Q-6HX-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171052 |
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On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:49:59PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, >...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not >connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them >when I'm back online. ] > >IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable delivery, but >it seems that it's not widely supported by clients. What Debian >clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant messaging? I believe this is the "Message Carbons" feature (XEP-0280). This sends messages to all capable instances of a user. When combined with XEP-0160 (Best Practices for Handling Offline Messages), all clients SHOULD be able to achieve a consistent view of a conversation, regardless of which client said what. In terms of what supports this, I use Prosody (debian package: prosody) as my XMPP server, Gajim (debian package: gajim) as my desktop client (available on Debian and Windows) and Conversations (Market ID: eu.siacs.conversations) as my android client. > > > Stefan > > >PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android >application that's Free Software. > -- For more information, please reread.
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| From | "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 08:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s72wp-5Fb-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171052 |
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I think you looking for TOX! Visit TOX Project website: https://tox.chat On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > when I'm back online. ] > > IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable delivery, but > it seems that it's not widely supported by clients. What Debian > clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant messaging? > > > Stefan > > > PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android > application that's Free Software. > >
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 20:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s7di9-4hI-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171158 |
On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 10:52:00 +0430, Amir H. Firouzian wrote: > I think you looking for TOX! > Visit TOX Project website: > https://tox.chat I'd not heard of this (why should I?). Is it regarded as a Skype competitor (we could do with a free one)? Is it going anywhere? And how does it perform technically? (Bottom posting is preferred on -user if you reply).
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sa7pT-4uc-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171158 |
> I think you looking for TOX!
> Visit TOX Project website:
> https://tox.chat
Thanks. That does look promising (although I don't see any mention of
reliable delivery),
Stefan
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> wrote:
>> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP,
>> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not
>> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them
>> when I'm back online. ]
>>
>> IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable delivery, but
>> it seems that it's not widely supported by clients. What Debian
>> clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant messaging?
>>
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>> PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android
>> application that's Free Software.
>>
>>
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| From | "Amir H. Firouzian" <firouziyan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 11:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbNQ5-32D-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171428 |
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You can't have all the best together. This mention in previous E-Mails as well. E.g: <20160817192400.GB9964@alum> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > > I think you looking for TOX! > > Visit TOX Project website: > > https://tox.chat > > Thanks. That does look promising (although I don't see any mention of > reliable delivery), > > > Stefan > > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Stefan Monnier < > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> > > wrote: > > >> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP, > >> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not > >> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them > >> when I'm back online. ] > >> > >> IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable delivery, but > >> it seems that it's not widely supported by clients. What Debian > >> clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant messaging? > >> > >> > >> Stefan > >> > >> > >> PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android > >> application that's Free Software. > >> > >> >
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbRh0-5rv-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171548 |
> You can't have all the best together.
What does that mean, exactly? Are you saying it doesn't have reliable
message delivery? If so, that'd be a deal breaker for me.
Stefan "shocked that anyone would want to design or use an
unreliable messaging system"
> This mention in previous E-Mails as well. E.g: <20160817192400.GB9964@alum>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> wrote:
>> > I think you looking for TOX!
>> > Visit TOX Project website:
>> > https://tox.chat
>>
>> Thanks. That does look promising (although I don't see any mention of
>> reliable delivery),
>>
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Stefan Monnier <
>> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP, SIP,
>> >> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm not
>> >> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive them
>> >> when I'm back online. ]
>> >>
>> >> IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable delivery, but
>> >> it seems that it's not widely supported by clients. What Debian
>> >> clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant messaging?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stefan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android
>> >> application that's Free Software.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbRK1-5BB-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171550 |
On Tuesday 30 August 2016 14:05:36 Stefan Monnier wrote: > "shocked that anyone would want to design or use an > unreliable messaging system" Email is getting less and less reliable, so have you given up using it?? :-( Lisi
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| From | Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 16:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbRTI-5Ua-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171551 |
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 02:52:14PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 30 August 2016 14:05:36 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > "shocked that anyone would want to design or use an > > unreliable messaging system" > > Email is getting less and less reliable, so have you given up using it?? :-( > > Lisi > However, why email is still reliable, because a proper setup provides you with a well defined error messages (in case it is not delivered). The fact that a lot of mail ends up in places where they are never looked at is a social issue not a technical one. -H -- Henning Follmann | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 16:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbRTI-5Ua-39@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171552 |
On Tuesday 30 August 2016 14:59:42 Henning Follmann wrote: > However, why email is still reliable, because a proper setup provides you > with a well defined error messages (in case it is not delivered). We have different definitions of reliable!! Being told a day or two later that your email didn't get there because .. is very little consolation, if you actually wanted it to get there, and that is only if the receiving SMTP server returns the email with an error message, and doesn't just drop it. Lisi
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbVXj-8sN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171553 |
On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 15:09:28 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 30 August 2016 14:59:42 Henning Follmann wrote: > > However, why email is still reliable, because a proper setup provides you > > with a well defined error messages (in case it is not delivered). > > We have different definitions of reliable!! Being told a day or two later > that your email didn't get there because .. is very little consolation, if > you actually wanted it to get there, and that is only if the receiving SMTP > server returns the email with an error message, and doesn't just drop it. You could send mail directly if you set up a mail server. However, if you are bothered about the receiving SMTP server accepting and dropping the message it wouldn't matter because you wouldn't get any feedback. But you wouldn't get feedback using your ISP's smarthost.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 17:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbSG5-6ew-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171552 |
On Tuesday 30 August 2016 09:59:42 Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 02:52:14PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 August 2016 14:05:36 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > "shocked that anyone would want to design or use an > > > unreliable messaging system" > > > > Email is getting less and less reliable, so have you given up using > > it?? :-( > > > > Lisi > > However, why email is still reliable, because a proper setup provides > you with a well defined error messages (in case it is not delivered). > > The fact that a lot of mail ends up in places where they are never > looked at is a social issue not a technical one. > > -H True, Henning, but forced on us by the sheer volume of spam we need to protect ourselves from. But when some idiot sends me a 100% html message, with 3 or more url's buried in the html, with a Dear Friend greeting, he should NOT be amazed that it gets a 5+ rating from spamassassin, and sorted accordingly. The offender of course is not subbed to any of these mailing lists, so he/she gets zero feedback and are too far away to hear my muttering about it, but I do business thru ebay with him, once in 10 years. ebay themselves very carefully fine tunes their crap, always hitting exactly 5.0 from spamassassin. But you put up with that from ebay because they are the worlds defacto dept. store and have been for years despite Jeff B's best efforts at amazon. Amazon costs too much, and has yet to meet the promised delivery date since I'm at least 150 miles from west bumf--- here in north central WV, USA. Thats my choice, here I am often the big frog in this tiny puddle of a county seat village. I have to admit I enjoy that. But it often means that my connection to the educated world looks a lot like a cat5 cable. :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sbTsu-6JN-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #171555 |
Gene Heskett wrote: > ebay themselves very carefully fine tunes their crap, always hitting > exactly 5.0 from spamassassin. But you put up with that from ebay > because they are the worlds defacto dept. store and have been for years > despite Jeff B's best efforts at amazon. 5.0 gets sent to /dev/null here ... along with anything else above 4.4, and that's only after they make it through the maze of greylist rules to even get to spamassassin :) -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O|
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