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  Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2016-08-13 21:00 +0200
    Re: Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-08-13 21:30 +0200
      Re: Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2016-08-15 23:50 +0200
    Re: Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-08-14 11:10 +0200
      Re: Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2016-08-16 00:10 +0200
        Re: Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-08-17 14:40 +0200
    Re: Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 17:10 +0200

#171069 — Quiet gaming capable gfx card for Debian Sid

Hallo,

I would like to spend some hours on a normal game without having to
reboot into Windows. I have a Steam account and some Linux games are
available (at least some from Valve).

But the video card I have is not ok. It's a Nvidia Geforce 750Ti
(passive cooling), it works quite well with the Nouveau drivers but
there are too many glitches in 3D games, some are basically not
playable. I remember that Nvidia drivers (non-free) have been a lot
better but I cannot make them work with current Debian Unstable, even if
I install the latest packages from Debian Experimental, the drivers
simply don't compile with latest kernels.

This makes me think, is AMD a better alternative? I could by one, but
only if the driver support situation is acceptable. And I am not sure
WRT recent developments. There is the amdgpu driver in Sid but the list
of supported models includes only R9-280 or 290 stuff which is two years
old. And no such card on the market seems to support semi-passive
cooling. And then, there are "AMDGPU PRO" drivers on the AMD page, which
seem to be the successor of the non-free fglrx driver. But the packages
there are only made for Ubuntu.

I really don't want to troll but this makes me wonder... am I missing
something? Or does AMD give a s...t about users unless they are running
the latest Ubuntu LTS and nothing else?

And I don't like this situation. NVidia drivers basically broken, AMD
drivers basically broken, or you can buy some 3 year old hardware for
insane prices, or what else can a normal gamer do?

Regards,
Eduard.

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#171070

> drivers basically broken, or you can buy some 3 year old hardware for
> insane prices, or what else can a normal gamer do?

Hmmm... my experience with (2nd hand) 3 year old hardware is that it's
rather cheap, yet I don't think that's what you meant by "insane
prices".


        Stefan

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#171127

Hallo,
* Stefan Monnier [Sat, Aug 13 2016, 03:26:27PM]:
> > drivers basically broken, or you can buy some 3 year old hardware for
> > insane prices, or what else can a normal gamer do?
> 
> Hmmm... my experience with (2nd hand) 3 year old hardware is that it's
> rather cheap, yet I don't think that's what you meant by "insane
> prices".

"insane prices" is what some dealers in Europe expect for the few
remaining ones in their stock, i.e. about 300eur.

And, what's confusing me most: people want over 200eur on eBay for a
used R9-290 which makes much more heat and noise than a NEW RX470
(according to reviews), which is offered for just 10-20% more - however,
it didn't become available yet.

Regards,
Eduard.

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#171073

Op Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:54:51 +0200 schreef Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>:

> Hallo,
>
> I would like to spend some hours on a normal game without having to
> reboot into Windows. I have a Steam account and some Linux games are
> available (at least some from Valve).
>
> But the video card I have is not ok. It's a Nvidia Geforce 750Ti
> (passive cooling), it works quite well with the Nouveau drivers but
> there are too many glitches in 3D games, some are basically not
> playable. I remember that Nvidia drivers (non-free) have been a lot
> better but I cannot make them work with current Debian Unstable, even if
> I install the latest packages from Debian Experimental, the drivers
> simply don't compile with latest kernels.
>

Don't use the experimental branch, but use the latest version from svn:
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Building_newer_releases_from_SVN

I don't have any troubles with the 367.35 version (kernel 4.6)

Success,

Floris

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#171129

Hallo,
* Floris [Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:08:49AM]:
> Op Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:54:51 +0200 schreef Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>:
> 
> > Hallo,
> > 
> > I would like to spend some hours on a normal game without having to
> > reboot into Windows. I have a Steam account and some Linux games are
> > available (at least some from Valve).
> > 
> > But the video card I have is not ok. It's a Nvidia Geforce 750Ti
> > (passive cooling), it works quite well with the Nouveau drivers but
> > there are too many glitches in 3D games, some are basically not
> > playable. I remember that Nvidia drivers (non-free) have been a lot
> > better but I cannot make them work with current Debian Unstable, even if
> > I install the latest packages from Debian Experimental, the drivers
> > simply don't compile with latest kernels.
> > 
> 
> Don't use the experimental branch, but use the latest version from svn:
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Building_newer_releases_from_SVN
> 
> I don't have any troubles with the 367.35 version (kernel 4.6)

Thanks for the hint, I will give it a try, either with kernel 4.7 or at
least 4.6 which is in Sid.

Looks like maintainers need some help. It shouldn't take three months to
bring an important update into Experimental.

Regards,
Eduard.

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#171166

Op Tue, 16 Aug 2016 00:05:14 +0200 schreef Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>:

> Hallo,
> * Floris [Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:08:49AM]:
>> Op Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:54:51 +0200 schreef Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>:
>>
>> > Hallo,
>> >
>> > I would like to spend some hours on a normal game without having to
>> > reboot into Windows. I have a Steam account and some Linux games are
>> > available (at least some from Valve).
>> >
>> > But the video card I have is not ok. It's a Nvidia Geforce 750Ti
>> > (passive cooling), it works quite well with the Nouveau drivers but
>> > there are too many glitches in 3D games, some are basically not
>> > playable. I remember that Nvidia drivers (non-free) have been a lot
>> > better but I cannot make them work with current Debian Unstable, even  
>> if
>> > I install the latest packages from Debian Experimental, the drivers
>> > simply don't compile with latest kernels.
>> >
>>
>> Don't use the experimental branch, but use the latest version from svn:
>> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Building_newer_releases_from_SVN
>>
>> I don't have any troubles with the 367.35 version (kernel 4.6)
>
> Thanks for the hint, I will give it a try, either with kernel 4.7 or at
> least 4.6 which is in Sid.
>
> Looks like maintainers need some help. It shouldn't take three months to
> bring an important update into Experimental.
>

I am not sure why, but the Nvidia packages are uploaded into the NEW queue
and have to wait until they are _manually_ transfered to unstable.
That is why there is a chapter about the svn branch in the wiki for all the
people who don't want to wait.


The Debian Nvidia maintainers are very quick with the new version. Version
370, which is one day old, is already in svn!

Floris

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#171075

On 08/13/2016 02:54 PM, Eduard Bloch wrote:

> I really don't want to troll but this makes me wonder... am I missing
> something? Or does AMD give a s...t about users unless they are running
> the latest Ubuntu LTS and nothing else?
>
> And I don't like this situation. NVidia drivers basically broken, AMD
> drivers basically broken, or you can buy some 3 year old hardware for
> insane prices, or what else can a normal gamer do?
>

I install the nVidia driver straight from nVidia. No worries playing 
with 2 cards and four monitors. But, the games running under wine will 
not work with such a setup while running Xinerama. Native Linux games 
are no sweat. Ric

>


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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