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| Started by | Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> |
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| First post | 2016-08-03 03:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2016-08-14 04:50 +0200 |
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Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-03 03:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 11:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-03 15:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 17:50 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-04 01:00 +0200
Re: Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Rodary Jacques <rodaryj@free.fr> - 2016-08-12 00:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-12 01:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-08-12 16:50 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 17:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-13 01:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Glenn English <ghe@slsware.net> - 2016-08-03 22:10 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 23:20 +0200
Re: Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Rodary Jacques <rodaryj@free.fr> - 2016-08-12 01:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 17:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-03 16:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 16:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-03 22:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 23:10 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-04 04:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 10:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-04 15:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-08-04 17:50 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-08-04 17:10 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-08-04 14:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-04 15:10 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 15:50 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-08-04 16:50 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-08-04 17:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 17:50 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-08-04 18:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 18:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-04 20:10 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 20:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 22:10 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 23:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-05 22:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 22:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 23:30 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-08-04 18:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 18:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-04 15:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-08-04 17:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-04 20:00 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-06 01:40 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-08-14 04:20 +0200
Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes....... Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-08-14 04:50 +0200
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| From | Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 15:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2qpI-MZ-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170675 |
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:54:58 +0100 Lisi Reisz sent: > On Thursday 04 August 2016 03:21:20 David Wright wrote: > > The OP said they use fvwm which exhibits the behaviour I described. > > If you can drag the window from where it popped up to where you want > > it, then it was on the correct *desktop*. > > No, it wasn't. I said and meant "desktop", otherwise known as > workspace. If you say that the OP, who uses FVWM, said workspace and > meant viewport, I cannot argue, since you obviously know FVWM, and I > don't. After contemplation, my reply is: I have always known them as desktops, workspaces also feels right. There are 16 of these, divided into 4 X 4. The first 4 are headed FVWM, the second four Development, the third four Internet and the last are labelled Misc. You can mouse drag open packages within the four desktops of each section, but not into the next four or any other of the 12 desktops. I'm unsure when this was so programmed. In the old times one could mouse drag open packages into any desktop. There were no hard no go fences between them. Through my .xsession I have 3 xterms open on my first, one of four desktops in that first group. Three of the desktops in that group of four remain empty, till I open something in them All the other sections with four desktops remain empty and I open packages in them, as needed as I work. Probably not explained too well, but it's late and I am weary. Regards the original post, without using devilspie2, chromium is staying now in the desktop where it is opened. BUt tomorrow is another day. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *********************************************** In prosperity our friends know us; in adversity we know our friends. ---- Churton Collins *********************************************** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -----------------------------------------------------
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2t4d-2PF-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170682 |
Charlie writes: > I'm unsure when this was so programmed. In the old times one could > mouse drag open packages into any desktop. There were no hard no go > fences between them. It was configured that way by whoever created the FVWM config file you are using. When I started using FVWM there were neither panes nor desktops. I don't remember when they came in, but I think that the virtual display was first. There are zillions of example configurations out there and some sort of default config is included in the Debian package. You can easily add more panes to your desktops and change the number of desktops by editing .fvwm/config. FVWM is almost infinitely configurable. My config is a horrifically encrusted thing that has been evolving for twenty years. I really should just re-write it. It's uglier than my .emacs. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 17:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2srw-2sp-31@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170675 |
Lisi writes: > No, it wasn't. I said and meant "desktop", otherwise known as > workspace. Ok, but that is confusing when discussing FVWM. > If you say that the OP, who uses FVWM, said workspace and meant > viewport, I cannot argue, since you obviously know FVWM, and I don't. I've been using FVWM for about twenty years. As David says, each FVWM desktop (sometimes called a workspace) is a separate X display. Getting windows from one to another is, in my experience, not possible. A desktop can be much larger than the physical screen: it's a virtual screen. The viewport is properly the physical screen and can be moved around the desktop smoothly or in steps. It is common to divide each desktop into panes (sometimes confusingly called viewports, workspaces, or even desktops) and arrange for the viewport to "snap" from one pane to the next. Thus the viewport is often a porthole into a large virtual screen. Some programs may be using the wrong mapping request so that the window is located relative to the virtual screen rather than the physical one. This is a bug, of course, but you won't see it if your virtual screen equals the physical screen, as is the usual case with most window managers. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 14:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2q6m-DV-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170663 |
David writes: > I ran two desktops on two screens/graphics cards in fvwm for many > years and the boundary between them was impermeable. That has been my experience running four FVWM desktops with sixteen viewports each on my machine and also on my wife's machine. Programs do sometimes open in other viewports but I've never had one show up on the wrong desktop, and I've never found a way to move them there. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 15:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2qzn-166-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170681 |
On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 07:29:23 -0500 John Hasler sent: > David writes: > > I ran two desktops on two screens/graphics cards in fvwm for many > > years and the boundary between them was impermeable. > > That has been my experience running four FVWM desktops with sixteen > viewports each on my machine and also on my wife's machine. Programs > do sometimes open in other viewports but I've never had one show up > on the wrong desktop, and I've never found a way to move them there. After contemplation, my reply is: So there are four desktops labelled as described in my previous post, and the four within those labelled desktops are called view ports. Thank you for that clarification. In the words of Confucius: All wisdom is rooted in learning to call things by the right name. When things are properly identified, they fall into natural categories and understanding becomes orderly. .....Confucius So my original post should have read: Chromium jumps onto different desktops and view ports, at random and as it pleases. Not on the view port of the desktop on which it was opened. Thank you. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *********************************************** Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved .......W J Bryan *********************************************** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -----------------------------------------------------
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2rc6-1p0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170684 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 14:02:45 Charlie wrote: > All wisdom is rooted in learning to call things by the right name. When > things are properly identified, they fall into natural categories and > understanding becomes orderly. Provided that everyone agrees on what the names mean. In this case, as frequently, there is considerable disagreement on what the names mean. I once got an email asking me to check the check and check the list if it was correct. Ouch!! Now let me put that into "proper" (now there is another term we could argue about) English, as I eventually managed to do: He wanted me to check the cheque, and tick the list if it was correct. I will now go and put my trunk in the boot of my car, check the oil under the bonnet, and make sure that I have got enough petrol. (Translation for those who need it): I will go put my large strong steel-bound canvas-covered wooden box in the trunk of my automobile, check the oil under the hood and make sure that I have enough gas. (Translation not perfect - it is nearly 65 years since I did sixth grade) There is no such thing as a "right name". Sorry, Confucius. ;-) Lisi
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2s89-24U-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170686 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 09:48:45 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 04 August 2016 14:02:45 Charlie wrote: > > All wisdom is rooted in learning to call things by the right name. > > When things are properly identified, they fall into natural > > categories and understanding becomes orderly. > > Provided that everyone agrees on what the names mean. In this case, > as frequently, there is considerable disagreement on what the names > mean. > > I once got an email asking me to check the check and check the list if > it was correct. Ouch!! Now let me put that into "proper" (now there > is another term we could argue about) English, as I eventually managed > to do: > > He wanted me to check the cheque, and tick the list if it was correct. > > I will now go and put my trunk in the boot of my car, check the oil > under the bonnet, and make sure that I have got enough petrol. > > (Translation for those who need it): > I will go put my large strong steel-bound canvas-covered wooden box in > the trunk of my automobile, check the oil under the hood and make sure > that I have enough gas. (Translation not perfect - it is nearly 65 > years since I did sixth grade) 75 for me. > There is no such thing as a "right name". Sorry, Confucius. ;-) > > Lisi I would not make excuses for Confucius, he did not live in a time where we can send a message from small town West Virginia, USA, to Ulan Bator, Mongolia in a few hundred milliseconds. While he was an excellent observer and commentator of his times, he was also subject to the speed of communications. The right "name" in my mind now has at least 10 aliases per name dependent on the locale of the speaker, and its those who do not learn that, are those which will find themselves left behind. OTOH, the spoken version of what we both write and call English, is not as easily understood as the regional accents are much more different when spoken. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2sKR-2Gk-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170686 |
Lisi writes: > There is no such thing as a "right name". There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing as a correct name in a technical discussion. It's easier for everyone if we all use the definitions chosen by the authors of the software (though I admit that even they are not always consistent). -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2t4d-2PF-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170689 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 16:26:25 John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > There is no such thing as a "right name". > > There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing > as a correct name in a technical discussion. It's easier for everyone > if we all use the definitions chosen by the authors of the software > (though I admit that even they are not always consistent). And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop, and have done for many years - I have been using them for twelve - , which you are correcting, for what you appear to be calling "viewports and desktops". My "desktops" appear to be both. :-/ Incidentally, I can have 20 if I want. (I currently have six). I accept, since he has done himself, that the OP "misused" workspace, but at the point I responded to his query that was not evident. Moreover, workspace in that meaning is sanctified by Wikipedia, so a good many people use it. Lisi
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2txg-3gC-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170693 |
Lisi writes: > And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop But the software under discussion is FVWM, which, if I understand correctly, is not what you use. It would be nice if all the window manager and desktop environment authors would agree on standard jargon, but that is not reality. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2tQC-3pp-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170696 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:13:06 John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop > > But the software under discussion is FVWM, which, if I understand > correctly, is not what you use. It would be nice if all the window > manager and desktop environment authors would agree on standard jargon, > but that is not reality. It wasn't originally. Look at the subject header. I specifically said in my original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, but I seem to have got one any way. The OP asked if anyone else had met the problem. At all. In Chromium. See the subject line above. I have. It is most irritating. Blow your idea of the correct terminology which every person on the planet must use. Go and argue with someone about folders and directories. Lisi
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 20:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2vfI-4wu-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170699 |
On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 17:32:37 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:13:06 John Hasler wrote: > > Lisi writes: > > > And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop > > > > But the software under discussion is FVWM, which, if I understand > > correctly, is not what you use. It would be nice if all the window > > manager and desktop environment authors would agree on standard jargon, > > but that is not reality. > > It wasn't originally. Look at the subject header. I apologise. I read line three of the OP which said 'Using FVWM'. > I specifically said in my > original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, but I seem > to have got one any way. The OP asked if anyone else had met the problem. > At all. In Chromium. See the subject line above. I have. It is most > irritating. Blow your idea of the correct terminology which every person on > the planet must use. I then asked for clarification, which may have mystified people who don't use a WM as flexible and configurable as fvwm. That flexibility requires terms to describe it. Imagine you'd never seen xinerama and had just come across it. You would need a term to distinguish it from the multiple disjoint desktops that I mentioned at the start of my second post (for which I my workaround would not work). > Go and argue with someone about folders and directories. They are effectively synonyms in this context. We (I) was trying to discuss features that are superficially similar but have critical differences in their behaviour. Reviewing your posts, the first sympathetically commiserated with the OP, the rest seemed to be arguing with those who knew something about fvwm and were trying to comment on the problem and its possible amelioration. Cheers, David.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 20:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2vIL-4Ky-57@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170702 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:06:51 David Wright wrote: > Reviewing your posts, the first sympathetically commiserated with the OP, > the rest seemed to be arguing with those who knew something about fvwm > and were trying to comment on the problem and its possible amelioration. David, that is unfair. I argued one thing only. That what you are saying refers to you and FVWM and not to everybody. It does not apply to the software I use. Why on earth are you so determined to argue? I know nothing about FVWM and have never claimed to do so. You told me that I was wrong in what I said, when I was not. I argued against that. I did not claim that it referred to FVWM. In the DE I use, which I have used for 12 years through a name change, I use desktops and can move things from one desktop to another in the desktop preview and pager, in the panel, by drag and drop. I can then go the relevant desktop and there it is. You can tell me that I am wrong all you like, it will not make me wrong. Do stop arguing for the sake of it. IT IS NOT FVWM and I never said that it was. I said that it applied to Chrome (and chromium, of course. See the subject line). And that the facility meant that the problem is a minor annoyance only. I know nothing about FVWM and would not pretend that I do. Lisi
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2x7P-5V4-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170703 |
On Thursday, August 04, 2016 02:34:15 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > It does not apply to the software I use. Why on earth are you so > determined to argue? You don't have to participate in an argument...
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 23:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2ynf-6Mm-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170708 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 21:01:31 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 04, 2016 02:34:15 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > > It does not apply to the software I use. Why on earth are you so > > determined to argue? > > You don't have to participate in an argument... touchée! ;-) Lisi
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2TUK-3Xw-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170703 |
On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 19:34:15 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:06:51 David Wright wrote: > > Reviewing your posts, the first sympathetically commiserated with the OP, > > the rest seemed to be arguing with those who knew something about fvwm > > and were trying to comment on the problem and its possible amelioration. > > David, that is unfair. I argued one thing only. That what you are saying > refers to you and FVWM and not to everybody. > > It does not apply to the software I use. Why on earth are you so determined > to argue? I know nothing about FVWM and have never claimed to do so. You > told me that I was wrong in what I said, when I was not. I argued against > that. I did not claim that it referred to FVWM. In the DE I use, which I > have used for 12 years through a name change, I use desktops and can move > things from one desktop to another in the desktop preview and pager, in the > panel, by drag and drop. I can then go the relevant desktop and there it is. > You can tell me that I am wrong all you like, it will not make me wrong. Do > stop arguing for the sake of it. Please point out where I told you that you were wrong. (Off list if you think it'll bore people.) A summary of my posts: 1) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00051.html Request for clarification from the OP in case their terminology is more similar to yours than to mine or that in man fvwm. 2) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00060.html A description of a workaround for the OP's problem, with a caveat that it will only work with one of my interpretations of workspace. 3) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00068.html A clarification of the terms I have used in post (2) with xterm commands that anyone can use to ascertain whether the workaround will work if they are using fvwm and can't figure out which meaning of workspace applies. 4) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00098.html Comments to the OP on their specific interactions they have had with fvwm, and a further detail on my workaround. 5) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00099.html a. An apology for not addressing a wider interpretation of the problem (using the Subject line only) but restricting my comments to the window manager mentioned in the OP. b. The reason why I posted (1), ie my wondering which meaning of workspace was intended by the OP. c. A retort to your unnecessary exhortation. d. My take on your postings. > IT IS NOT FVWM and I never said that it was. I haven't discussed your symptoms or software in my postings. All my comments/workarounds have been written to the list for the benefit of the OP and people like them using fvwm and chromium. Whether it's polite to or not (on a list), I just ignored the detail in your postings and concentrated on getting the workaround, with its caveat and the gloss, onto the list. > I said that it applied to Chrome (and chromium, of course. See the > subject line). And that the facility meant that the problem is a minor > annoyance only. That's exactly what I ignored. Having observed no difference in the behaviour of chromium and, say, firefox on my systems, then my discussing it specifically would be pointless, so I didn't bother. How frustrating is it for the OP? I have no idea. I just got on with posting my workaround. > I know nothing about FVWM and would not pretend that I do. I assumed that most people don't, which is why, after post (1) didn't elicit a response from the OP, I made sure I was clear about what *I* was describing, with concrete examples for clarification. All written for the OP and the list, not for you or at you. Your first posting merely triggered my writing (2) earlier than I might have otherwise. Cheers, David.
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 22:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2wYa-5C3-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170699 |
On Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:32:37 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > It wasn't originally. Look at the subject header. I specifically said in > my original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, but I > seem to have got one any way. The OP asked if anyone else had met the > problem. At all. In Chromium. See the subject line above. I have. It > is most irritating. Blow your idea of the correct terminology which every > person on the planet must use. You don't have to participate in a flame war... > > Go and argue with someone about folders and directories. > > Lisi
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 23:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2yng-6Mm-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170706 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 20:59:03 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:32:37 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > > It wasn't originally. Look at the subject header. I specifically said > > in my original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, > > but I seem to have got one any way. The OP asked if anyone else had met > > the problem. At all. In Chromium. See the subject line above. I have. > > It is most irritating. Blow your idea of the correct terminology which > > every person on the planet must use. > > You don't have to participate in a flame war... > It was witty *once*. Lisi
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2txg-3gC-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170689 |
Hi,
John Hasler wrote:
> There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing
> as a correct name in a technical discussion.
Reading The Funderful Manual:
Fvwm provides both, a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint
desktops which can be used separately or together. The virtual desktop
allows you to pretend that your video screen is really quite large, and
you can scroll around within the desktop. The multiple disjoint
desktops allow you to pretend that you really have several screens to
work at, but each screen is completely unrelated to the others.
[...]
The screen is a viewport onto a desktop which may be larger than the
screen. [...]
each desktop can be larger than the physical screen, divided into m by n
pages which are each the size of the physical screen [...]
I understand that the New Revised debian-user Terminology translates
Workspace = Virtual desktop (one of multiple disjoint desktops)
Viewport = Page of a virtual desktop (actually one can let the screen
show neighboring parts of four pages)
I own a single 4x2 pages sized workspace. In most cases i use stickiness
and pager rather than dragging windows from page to page.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s2tQC-3pp-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #170697 |
On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:13:15 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > John Hasler wrote: > > There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing > > as a correct name in a technical discussion. > > Reading The Funderful Manual: > > Fvwm provides both, a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint > desktops which can be used separately or together. The virtual desktop > allows you to pretend that your video screen is really quite large, and > you can scroll around within the desktop. The multiple disjoint > desktops allow you to pretend that you really have several screens to > work at, but each screen is completely unrelated to the others. > > [...] > > The screen is a viewport onto a desktop which may be larger than the > screen. [...] > each desktop can be larger than the physical screen, divided into m by n > pages which are each the size of the physical screen [...] > > I understand that the New Revised debian-user Terminology translates > > Workspace = Virtual desktop (one of multiple disjoint desktops) > > Viewport = Page of a virtual desktop (actually one can let the screen > show neighboring parts of four pages) > > I own a single 4x2 pages sized workspace. In most cases i use stickiness > and pager rather than dragging windows from page to page. > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas Thanks, Thomas!! Lisi
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