Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.user > #167269 > unrolled thread

Posting picture files

Back to article view | Back to linux.debian.user

Contents

  Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-01 03:20 +0200
    Re: Posting picture files Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-05-01 05:30 +0200
      Re: Posting picture files Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-05-02 12:20 +0200
        Re: Posting picture files Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-05-02 16:10 +0200
          Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
          Re: Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-03 01:40 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files Ralph Sanchez <rwsanchez3@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 01:50 +0200
              Re: Posting picture files John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 02:10 +0200
                Re: Posting picture files Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2016-05-03 16:40 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 02:10 +0200
              Re: Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-03 05:20 +0200
                Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 11:10 +0200
                Re: Posting picture files "heqamilus@runbox.com" <heqamilus@runbox.com> - 2016-05-03 16:00 +0200
                  Re: Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-03 21:50 +0200
                    Re: Posting picture files cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-05-10 20:40 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-03 05:50 +0200
              Re: Posting picture files Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-03 13:10 +0200
                Re: Posting picture files Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-03 14:00 +0200
                  Re: Posting picture files Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-03 14:30 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-05-04 00:10 +0200
    Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 13:30 +0200
      Re: Posting picture files Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-05-01 16:50 +0200
        Re: Posting picture files Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-05-01 17:10 +0200
          Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 17:20 +0200
          Re: Posting picture files Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-05-01 18:10 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-05-02 03:00 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-03 06:10 +0200
            Re: Posting picture files cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-05-10 20:40 +0200
              Re: Posting picture files Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: Posting picture files cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-05-13 14:30 +0200
    Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 13:40 +0200
      Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 13:50 +0200
        Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-01 19:00 +0200
          Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:40 +0200
            Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-02 03:40 +0200
          Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-05-01 21:20 +0200
          Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-05-02 08:50 +0200
            Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-02 09:30 +0200
            Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-02 13:00 +0200
    Re: Posting picture files Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2016-05-01 20:40 +0200

Page 2 of 2 — ← Prev page 1 [2]

#167279

On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
> I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or send
> anything other than plain text files.

I tried sending a screenshot 25 minutes ago.  It has not so far turned up.  
But another email I sent 5 minutes ago has turned up.  Whilst Debian Users 
list certainly accepts attachments, it does look as though it doesn't like 
screenshots.  Files over acceptable size??

Lisi

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167295

On Sunday 01 May 2016 07:28:40 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
> > I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or
> > send anything other than plain text files.
>
> I tried sending a screenshot 25 minutes ago.  It has not so far turned
> up. But another email I sent 5 minutes ago has turned up.  Whilst
> Debian Users list certainly accepts attachments, it does look as
> though it doesn't like screenshots.  Files over acceptable size??
>
> Lisi

That would be my guess Lisi.  Someone mentioned a size limit in the last 
month or so, and I noted at the time that it seemed to be such a small 
limit as to be essentially worthless, but I don't recall the exact 
figure.  Usually when I need to post a screenshot, I'll smunch it with 
jpeg until its being effected visually, and send that, which will 
generally pass at srcfrg, but not here.  Which is a pity because the pix 
doesn't lie, while a text description can and does get lost in the 
translation between what I see and what my fingers type, and again as 
what I type is translated into the language the reader halfway around 
the planet thinks in.  If that fails, I'll probably put it on my web 
page.  How well that works depends on the mood the filters at yahoo are 
in today. It seems they've decided to excise urls from email posts of 
late.  Vendor lockin ID10see? IDK.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167299

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 10:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I tried sending a screenshot 25 minutes ago.  It has not so far
> turned
> > up. But another email I sent 5 minutes ago has turned up.  Whilst
> > Debian Users list certainly accepts attachments, it does look as
> > though it doesn't like screenshots.  Files over acceptable size??
> >
> > Lisi
> 
> That would be my guess Lisi.  Someone mentioned a size limit in the
> last 
> month or so, and I noted at the time that it seemed to be such a
> small 
> limit as to be essentially worthless, but I don't recall the exact 
> figure.  

    "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
    paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."

From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guidelines.2C_and_Tips

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167300

On Sunday 01 May 2016 16:07:39 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 10:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I tried sending a screenshot 25 minutes ago.  It has not so far
> >
> > turned
> >
> > > up. But another email I sent 5 minutes ago has turned up.  Whilst
> > > Debian Users list certainly accepts attachments, it does look as
> > > though it doesn't like screenshots.  Files over acceptable size??
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > That would be my guess Lisi.  Someone mentioned a size limit in the
> > last 
> > month or so, and I noted at the time that it seemed to be such a
> > small 
> > limit as to be essentially worthless, but I don't recall the exact 
> > figure. 
>
>     "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
>     paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
>
> From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guidelines
>.2C_and_Tips

Thanks, Sven.  Scanning text is one of the things I find difficult - hence 
using trial and error.

Lisi

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167302

On Sunday 01 May 2016 11:07:39 Sven Arvidsson wrote:

> On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 10:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I tried sending a screenshot 25 minutes ago.  It has not so far
> >
> > turned
> >
> > > up. But another email I sent 5 minutes ago has turned up.  Whilst
> > > Debian Users list certainly accepts attachments, it does look as
> > > though it doesn't like screenshots.  Files over acceptable size??
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > That would be my guess Lisi.  Someone mentioned a size limit in the
> > last 
> > month or so, and I noted at the time that it seemed to be such a
> > small 
> > limit as to be essentially worthless, but I don't recall the exact 
> > figure. 
>
>     "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
>     paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
>
> From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guide
>lines.2C_and_Tips

Thanks Sven.  But it does seem rather archaic today, 100k would be a lot 
more useful as attaching a well smunched screenshot is a lot less 
trouble than running a browser, uploading the shot, and then sending the 
URL, particularly since yahoo posters apparently can't send the URL 
anymore from noise I am reading on yahoo hosted lists.  As I've said 
before, the screenshot doesn't lie, but the text description can when 
language barriers exist.

So I'd like to prose a compromise that recognizes the folks still on 
dialup and at dialup speeds. Possibly paying by the minute for access.

Accept the attachment, but strip it from the message that goes back out 
to the list and store it on paste.debian.org with a 30 day expire, 
substituting the URL for the attachment, placing it above any sig 
separators so the link would propagate in replies.

By this, you would protect the folks who do not have the bandwidth at low 
cost available, while still offering a facility to show those who do 
have the BW to participate, seeing the image/snapshot linked by no more 
than clicking on the link in the email.

Whats not to like?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167339

On 02/05/16 03:57, Gene Heskett wrote:
> So I'd like to prose a compromise that recognizes the folks still 
> on dialup and at dialup speeds. Possibly paying by the minute for 
> access.
> 
> Accept the attachment, but strip it from the message that goes
> back out to the list and store it on paste.debian.org with a 30
> day expire, substituting the URL for the attachment, placing it
> above any sig separators so the link would propagate in replies.
> 
> By this, you would protect the folks who do not have the bandwidth 
> at low cost available, while still offering a facility to show 
> those who do have the BW to participate, seeing the image/snapshot 
> linked by no more than clicking on the link in the email.
> 
> Whats not to like?

It would break signed messages, which seems to be the reason we no
longer have list-server footers on messages either.

Richard

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167414

Gene Heskett composed on 2016-05-01 11:57 (UTC-0400):

> So I'd like to prose a compromise that recognizes the folks still on
> dialup and at dialup speeds. Possibly paying by the minute for access.

Some pay by the byte even with high bandwidth. Not attaching binaries is 
about not being wasteful generally, including not archiving items whose 
usefulness doubtless will expire long before the archive. It's not too much 
to ask those asking for help to expend a bit of effort in order to not waste 
the resources of hundreds or thousands of recipients and their input pipelines.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167695

On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 11:57:34AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 01 May 2016 11:07:39 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> >
> >     "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
> >     paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
> >
> > From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guide
> >lines.2C_and_Tips
> 
> Thanks Sven.  But it does seem rather archaic today, 100k would be a lot 
> more useful as attaching a well smunched screenshot is a lot less 

Well, it is a wiki. :)

That certaily seems like a random joe blogs post, considering pastebin
is not good for a user suport mailing list that archives its posts.

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167698

On Wed 11 May 2016 at 06:36:43 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

> On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 11:57:34AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 01 May 2016 11:07:39 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > >
> > >     "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
> > >     paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
> > >
> > > From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guide
> > >lines.2C_and_Tips
> > 
> > Thanks Sven.  But it does seem rather archaic today, 100k would be a lot 
> > more useful as attaching a well smunched screenshot is a lot less 
> 
> Well, it is a wiki. :)

Which anyone, including you, can contribute to. :)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167811

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 07:52:46PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 11 May 2016 at 06:36:43 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 11:57:34AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 01 May 2016 11:07:39 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
> > > >     paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
> > > >
> > > > From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guide
> > > >lines.2C_and_Tips
> > > 
> > > Thanks Sven.  But it does seem rather archaic today, 100k would be a lot 
> > > more useful as attaching a well smunched screenshot is a lot less 
> > 
> > Well, it is a wiki. :)
> 
> Which anyone, including you, can contribute to. :)

Yeah, that's what I pointed out. I don't intend to go round editing posts
on other peoples behalf. :)

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167281

On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
> I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or send
> anything other than plain text files.

I just sent a screenshot half an hour ago and it has not arrived, but another 
email I sent twenty minutes later has arrived.  Although some attachments 
certainly are allowed on this list, it does look as though screenshots are 
not.  File too big???

Lisi

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167282 — Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

On Sunday 01 May 2016 12:33:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
> > I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or send
> > anything other than plain text files.
>
> I just sent a screenshot half an hour ago and it has not arrived, but
> another email I sent twenty minutes later has arrived.  Although some
> attachments certainly are allowed on this list, it does look as though
> screenshots are not.  File too big???
>
> Lisi

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167306 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

On 05/01/2016 04:46 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 01 May 2016 12:33:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
>>> I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or send
>>> anything other than plain text files.
>> I just sent a screenshot half an hour ago and it has not arrived, but
>> another email I sent twenty minutes later has arrived.  Although some
>> attachments certainly are allowed on this list, it does look as though
>> screenshots are not.  File too big???
>>
>> Lisi
>
Hi all

Well a 10k limit sure explains my problems with picture attachments. 
That coupled with the fact that this list just throws rejects into the 
bit bucket pretty well  explains everything that happened to me. I know 
that there are still people out there with dial up connections (my 
brother in the wilds of New Hampshire just got high speed internet a 
couple of months ago) but would it be so bad to return rejection notices 
with a little information on why they were rejected.

I need to re-read Gene Haskett's suggestion again and try to impliment 
it. Dial up or no dial up I really think Debian needs to loosen up a bit 
on the site restrictions.

Gary R.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167310 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

On Sunday 01 May 2016 17:59:13 Gary Roach wrote:
> Dial up or no dial up I really think Debian needs to loosen up a bit
> on the site restrictions.

Why?  Most people manage fine.  If you would only answer the questions you are 
asked, you would get more help faster.

Lisi

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167340 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

On 05/01/2016 10:38 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 01 May 2016 17:59:13 Gary Roach wrote:
>> Dial up or no dial up I really think Debian needs to loosen up a bit
>> on the site restrictions.
> Why?  Most people manage fine.  If you would only answer the questions you are
> asked, you would get more help faster.
>
> Lisi
>
>
What questions would that be . Have I missed something.

Gary R.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167320 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 09:59 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
> I need to re-read Gene Haskett's suggestion again and try to
> impliment 
> it. Dial up or no dial up I really think Debian needs to loosen up a
> bit 
> on the site restrictions.

You could probably file a bug about reject notices.

As for the limits, it's probably less about users on dial up, and more
about the server needing to send out your image to all the users
subscribed to the list.

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167343 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 09:59:13AM -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

[...]

> That coupled with the fact that this list just throws rejects into
> the bit bucket [...]

I doubt that part. Especially having already received rejects from
some Debian list due to attachments (haven't tried recently, but
might try). Perhaps it's your provider or spam filter?

regards
- -- tomás
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAlcm92UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbtigCeP4ILfWf5VKj1PJ2VL2B1bh4d
BIcAmQE954+4XsLLhAZPKU3y0y8aegBe
=T0tI
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167345 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

On 05/01/2016 11:44 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 09:59:13AM -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> That coupled with the fact that this list just throws rejects into
>> the bit bucket [...]
> I doubt that part. Especially having already received rejects from
> some Debian list due to attachments (haven't tried recently, but
> might try). Perhaps it's your provider or spam filter?
>
> regards
> - -- tomás
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAlcm92UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbtigCeP4ILfWf5VKj1PJ2VL2B1bh4d
> BIcAmQE954+4XsLLhAZPKU3y0y8aegBe
> =T0tI
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
>
Actially I read that in the debian-user instructions. I don't think I 
have ever gotten a reject notice in the years that I have used this 
mailing list. I have no idea about the practice on other lists.

Gary R.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167353 — Re: Sorry. :-( Re: Posting picture files

On Mon 02 May 2016 at 08:44:53 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 09:59:13AM -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > That coupled with the fact that this list just throws rejects into
> > the bit bucket [...]
> 
> I doubt that part. Especially having already received rejects from
> some Debian list due to attachments (haven't tried recently, but
> might try). Perhaps it's your provider or spam filter?

  > Another known limitation in our mailing list software is that
  > most rejected e-mails get silently dropped, so the user has no
  > real indication on what went wrong. 

    https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#167318

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:12:00 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
> I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or send 
> anything other than plain text files. This leaves me with a problem
> if I wish to post a screen shot. I have been told that debian has a
> paste bin. Does anyone know the url for that bin.

There are several sites that you can use to host an image.  This is
the least bloated that I know of and it offers several types of links
(link, direct link, URL, embed code etc.) as well as a delete link:

http://postimage.org/

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Page 2 of 2 — ← Prev page 1 [2]

Back to top | Article view | linux.debian.user

csiph-web