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| Started by | Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> |
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| First post | 2016-04-22 02:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2016-04-23 14:00 +0200 |
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Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-22 02:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Harris Paltrowitz <harris1nyc@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 03:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-22 04:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-04-22 08:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 08:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 15:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-23 00:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-23 01:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <garyroach@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 00:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 00:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 02:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-04-30 12:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 16:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 16:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 21:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 21:10 +0200
Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-30 21:20 +0200
Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-05-10 20:20 +0200
Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-10 20:50 +0200
Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-05-10 22:10 +0200
Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-10 22:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 21:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 22:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-01 00:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 00:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-01 03:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 13:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-01 18:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-02 04:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-02 13:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> - 2016-04-30 01:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 01:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-04-23 06:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-04-22 09:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 09:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Harris Paltrowitz <harrisupstate@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 13:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 13:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 14:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-04-22 14:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 15:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-04-22 15:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 16:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-04-22 16:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 19:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-28 03:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 18:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-28 21:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 03:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 00:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-30 02:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-30 14:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 15:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-30 18:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 23:00 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 00:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Mike McGinn <mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> - 2016-05-01 01:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 01:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 01:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 22:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 19:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 19:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 21:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-23 00:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 01:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 14:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 13:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Harris Paltrowitz <harrisupstate@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 14:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 14:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-22 11:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-04-22 10:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-22 11:20 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-04-22 13:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 18:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-04-22 19:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-04-23 06:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 13:50 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-23 14:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 21:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-22 21:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-04-22 21:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 14:10 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 21:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 22:30 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-23 01:40 +0200
Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 14:00 +0200
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| From | cbannister@slingshot.co.nz |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 20:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) |
| Message-ID | <rxkqe-860-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167251 |
> Gary Roach composed on 2016-04-30 12:08 (UTC-0700): > > >Someone said that I need to use a pastebin for images. I've never used > >one before so another Fxxxxxx Learning Experience. No, it's not necessary, in fact its preferable to not use pastebin. There's been other threads where this has been fleshed out. -- The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. -- Malcolm X
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| From | Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 20:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) |
| Message-ID | <rxkTh-8nX-35@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167693 |
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On 10 May 2016 at 19:18, <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > > Gary Roach composed on 2016-04-30 12:08 (UTC-0700): > > > > >Someone said that I need to use a pastebin for images. I've never used > > >one before so another Fxxxxxx Learning Experience. > > No, it's not necessary, in fact its preferable to not use pastebin. > There's been other threads where this has been fleshed out. > I think we need a pastebin for OCD tidy types to post their gripes and exhortations and another separate one for Finnegan's Wake type OT discussions and rants. Both need to have really long and complex learning curves and be encrypted. Regards MF > -- > The media's the most powerful entity on earth. > They have the power to make the innocent guilty > and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. > -- Malcolm X > > -- Climostat Ltd Rm 5169 The Heath Business & Technical Park The Heath Runcorn Cheshire WA7 4QX Tel. 01 928 515 015
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| From | Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 22:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) |
| Message-ID | <rxm8G-1iY-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167697 |
On Tuesday 10 May 2016 19:42:41 Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 10 May 2016 at 19:18, <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > > > Gary Roach composed on 2016-04-30 12:08 (UTC-0700): > > > >Someone said that I need to use a pastebin for images. I've never used > > > >one before so another Fxxxxxx Learning Experience. > > > > No, it's not necessary, in fact its preferable to not use pastebin. > > There's been other threads where this has been fleshed out. > > I think we need a pastebin for OCD tidy types to post their gripes and > exhortations and another separate one for Finnegan's Wake type OT > discussions and rants. > > Both need to have really long and complex learning curves and be encrypted. > > Regards > > MF Were you referring to the ballad or the book? If the book then the steep learning curve and encryption is already there, not so? Eike
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| From | Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 22:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) |
| Message-ID | <rxmio-1nf-75@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167704 |
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On 10 May 2016 at 21:03, Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> wrote: > On Tuesday 10 May 2016 19:42:41 Michael Fothergill wrote: > > On 10 May 2016 at 19:18, <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > > > > Gary Roach composed on 2016-04-30 12:08 (UTC-0700): > > > > >Someone said that I need to use a pastebin for images. I've never > used > > > > >one before so another Fxxxxxx Learning Experience. > > > > > > No, it's not necessary, in fact its preferable to not use pastebin. > > > There's been other threads where this has been fleshed out. > > > > I think we need a pastebin for OCD tidy types to post their gripes and > > exhortations and another separate one for Finnegan's Wake type OT > > discussions and rants. > > > > Both need to have really long and complex learning curves and be > encrypted. > > > > Regards > > > > MF > > Were you referring to the ballad or the book? > I meant the book. It is hard going but if it was posted up in a really tough mark up language and you had to run your own decryption algorithm to hack in and upload it that would that would make it the ultimate pesky pastebin neat freak purity test. MF > If the book then the steep learning curve and encryption is already there, > not > so? > > Eike > > -- Climostat Ltd Rm 5169 The Heath Business & Technical Park The Heath Runcorn Cheshire WA7 4QX Tel. 01 928 515 015
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-04-30 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtIAO-4s0-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167250 |
On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 12:08:06 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > Someone said that I need to use a pastebin for images. I've never used one > before so another Fxxxxxx Learning Experience. The 'u', 'c', 'k', 'i', 'n' and 'g' keys on your keyboard are not working. A separate thread to deal with the issue is desirable. :) > > I haven't posted to the majordomo list as suggested earlier but will do so. > I will post the results. Please do.
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| From | Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-30 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtJnc-5lI-31@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167242 |
On 04/30/2016 07:35 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 30 April 2016 15:13:06 Brian wrote: >> On Fri 29 Apr 2016 at 17:17:11 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: >>> On 04/29/2016 03:45 PM, Stephen Allen wrote: >>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 03:20:14PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: >>>>> address. But I don't think that aol or my mail client is the problem >>>>> here. I have mailing lists that are hosted by GoogleGroups and by >>>>> Sourceforge that work fine. Does any one know who hosts this list. It >>>>> doesn't have any info at the bottom of the page like the others do. >>>>> Does Debian have there own mail server? >>>> Yes Debian runs their own email server. If you want to show someone an >>>> image, don't attach it to an email here, but use pastebin. I know Debian >>>> has their own (don't have the url handy right now) but put it there or >>>> anywhere and post the url in the body of your email. >>> Thanks for the info. Presently, none of my posts show up in the thread >>> making it difficult, sometimes, to figure out what is going on. if now >>> one replies, I have no idea if the message got through (redundant >>> statement I know). >> It needn't be the case, but it looks like gary719_list1@verizon.net is >> subscribed to the list (garyroach@verizon.net is not a subscriber). Just >> as a check: send a mail to >> >> majordomo@lists.debian.org >> >> with >> >> which gary719_list1@verizon.net >> >> in the *body* of the mail. Either the From: or Reply-To: must have >> gary719_list1@verizon.net. >> >> A blank Subject: is ok. >> >> A reply will be sent back within seconds of the mail being sent. What >> does it say? > I think you have nailed it, Brian. When Gary sends from > garyroach@verizon.net, it doesn't make the list distribution. When he posts > from gary719_list1@verizon.net, it does, as can be seen in > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/author.html, all of the Gary > Roach emails on which come from gary719_list1@verizon.net > > Very observant of you. So Gary, all you have to do is either stop posting > from garyroach@verizon.net, or subscribe it. Then you will get it sent out > to you. > > Lisi > > > I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return I start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. I've turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I want is a pop server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. This sent without a cc to myself. Gary R
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-05-01 00:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtLyG-755-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167253 |
On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 13:00:55 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return I > start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. I've > turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I want is a pop > server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. This sent without a > cc to myself. Only one piece of information was asked for. You have omotted to give it. What did the majordomo message say?
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-01 00:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtLIm-78D-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167259 |
Gary writes: > All I want is a pop server and an smtp connection that stays out of my > hair. Newsguy <http://newsguy.com/email.htm> will sell you that for $29/year. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-01 03:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtO3v-Kp-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167259 |
On 04/30/2016 03:23 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 13:00:55 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > >> I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return I >> start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. I've >> turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I want is a pop >> server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. This sent without a >> cc to myself. > Only one piece of information was asked for. You have omotted to give > it. What did the majordomo message say? > > It was not returned. I finally found it in the aol spam folder. It just had 2 lines that repeated my email address one of which was "which gary719_list1@verizon.net" . Turning off the aol spam filter seems to have fixed the problem. Remember that I do not use anything of the aol web site. All of my emails are supposed to be fed raw to my icedove mail client. Gary R.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-01 13:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtXJw-m1-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167268 |
On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:01:12 Gary Roach wrote: > On 04/30/2016 03:23 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 13:00:55 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > >> I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return I > >> start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. I've > >> turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I want is a > >> pop server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. This sent > >> without a cc to myself. > > > > Only one piece of information was asked for. You have omotted to give > > it. What did the majordomo message say? > > It was not returned. It WAS returned. It just got put in your spam folder. > I finally found it in the aol spam folder. It just > had 2 lines that repeated my email address one of which was "which > gary719_list1@verizon.net" . Verbatim, what did it say? Lisi > Turning off the aol spam filter seems to > have fixed the problem. > Remember that I do not use anything of the aol web site. All of my > emails are supposed to be fed raw to my icedove mail client. > > Gary R.
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| From | Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-01 18:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ru2Jc-45g-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167280 |
On 05/01/2016 04:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:01:12 Gary Roach wrote: >> On 04/30/2016 03:23 PM, Brian wrote: >>> On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 13:00:55 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: >>>> I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return I >>>> start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. I've >>>> turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I want is a >>>> pop server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. This sent >>>> without a cc to myself. >>> Only one piece of information was asked for. You have omotted to give >>> it. What did the majordomo message say? >> It was not returned. > It WAS returned. It just got put in your spam folder. > >> I finally found it in the aol spam folder. It just >> had 2 lines that repeated my email address one of which was "which >> gary719_list1@verizon.net" . > Verbatim, what did it say? > > Lisi Ok Lisi verbatum (pasted) You are subscribed to the following lists: List Address ==== ======= debian-usergary719_list1@verizon.net whitelistgary719_list1@verizon.net Gary R. >> Turning off the aol spam filter seems to >> have fixed the problem. >> Remember that I do not use anything of the aol web site. All of my >> emails are supposed to be fed raw to my icedove mail client. >> >> Gary R. >
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-01 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ru3vz-4Re-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167304 |
On Sunday 01 May 2016 17:45:44 Gary Roach wrote: > On 05/01/2016 04:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:01:12 Gary Roach wrote: > >> On 04/30/2016 03:23 PM, Brian wrote: > >>> On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 13:00:55 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > >>>> I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return > >>>> I start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. > >>>> I've turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I > >>>> want is a pop server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. > >>>> This sent without a cc to myself. > >>> > >>> Only one piece of information was asked for. You have omotted to give > >>> it. What did the majordomo message say? > >> > >> It was not returned. > > > > It WAS returned. It just got put in your spam folder. > > > >> I finally found it in the aol spam folder. It just > >> had 2 lines that repeated my email address one of which was "which > >> gary719_list1@verizon.net" . > > > > Verbatim, what did it say? > > > > Lisi > > Ok Lisi verbatum (pasted) > > You are subscribed to the following lists: > > > List Address > ==== ======= > debian-usergary719_list1@verizon.net > whitelistgary719_list1@verizon.net So your "quotation" above was completely inaccurate. When you are asked to say what something said, you have to say it verbatim if you want help. So <gary719_list1@verizon.net> is subscribed. <garyroach@verizon.net> is probably not. You have also been posting from <garyroach@verizon.net>. That would explain a lot. You could test <garyroach@verizon.net> the same way. Lisi
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| From | Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-02 04:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rubjr-2Ou-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167309 |
On 05/01/2016 10:36 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 01 May 2016 17:45:44 Gary Roach wrote: >> On 05/01/2016 04:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Sunday 01 May 2016 02:01:12 Gary Roach wrote: >>>> On 04/30/2016 03:23 PM, Brian wrote: >>>>> On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 13:00:55 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: >>>>>> I may have found the problem. When the majordomo message didn't return >>>>>> I start digging into aol. I found the return message in the Spam bin. >>>>>> I've turned the feature off and hope that fixes the problem. All I >>>>>> want is a pop server and an smtp connection that stays out of my hair. >>>>>> This sent without a cc to myself. >>>>> Only one piece of information was asked for. You have omotted to give >>>>> it. What did the majordomo message say? >>>> It was not returned. >>> It WAS returned. It just got put in your spam folder. >>> >>>> I finally found it in the aol spam folder. It just >>>> had 2 lines that repeated my email address one of which was "which >>>> gary719_list1@verizon.net" . >>> Verbatim, what did it say? >>> >>> Lisi >> Ok Lisi verbatum (pasted) >> >> You are subscribed to the following lists: >> >> >> List Address >> ==== ======= >> debian-usergary719_list1@verizon.net >> whitelistgary719_list1@verizon.net > So your "quotation" above was completely inaccurate. When you are asked to > say what something said, you have to say it verbatim if you want help. > > So <gary719_list1@verizon.net> is subscribed. <garyroach@verizon.net> is > probably not. You have also been posting from <garyroach@verizon.net>. That > would explain a lot. You could test <garyroach@verizon.net> the same way. > > Lisi > > Lesi A, The posts to garyroach@verizon.net were accidental and didn't happen very many times. The problem has been filxed. If you look through the archives you will find almost all messages sent as garyroach@verizon.net were followed up with a gary719_list1@verizon.net message. I screwed up a couple of times. Mia Copa. B. I see no reason to go further with this since everything has been beaten into the ground and all of my problems have been fixed. I saw no useful information in the majordomo returned message (after I found it in the aol spam folder ). I don't use the aol web site, don't look at the aol web site and hope to never have to look at it again. If something gets listed as spam I will normally never know this. I use good old icedove and set up my own filters. C. I still think debian-user is being a bit cavalier with there handling of rejected email and their settings on maximum file sizes. With a max size of 10K only text can be included in an attachment. With about 50K attachments would become useful and would not take that much longer to transmit over a dial up line. Returning rejected messages with an explanation can be completely automated. The argument that it would tie up bandwidth in this day and age is ridiculous. If they had done this with my messages this thread would be about a third of the length that it is. There is no savings in that level of brevity. Gary R.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-02 10:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ruhfb-8nf-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167342 |
On Monday 02 May 2016 02:57:32 Gary Roach wrote: > > Lisi > > Lesi Accuracy is obviously not something you bother with. Lisi
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-05-02 13:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rujK2-1Me-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167342 |
On Sun 01 May 2016 at 18:57:32 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > B. I see no reason to go further with this since everything has been beaten > into the ground and all of my problems have been fixed. I saw no useful > information in the majordomo returned message (after I found it in the aol > spam folder ). I don't use the aol web site, don't look at the aol web site The Majordomo message tells you that gary719_list1@verizon.net is subscribed to debian-user. You now know for certain that you will be sent list mails. It would be quite remarkable if, out of all the subscribers, gary719_list1@verizon.net was not kept in the loop. It is an incentive to look at the way your received mail is handled. Which you have. > and hope to never have to look at it again. If something gets listed as spam > I will normally never know this. I use good old icedove and set up my own > filters. I have a feeling you are misunderstanding how your mail provider's system works and the role Icedove plays in it. > C. I still think debian-user is being a bit cavalier with there handling of > rejected email and their settings on maximum file sizes. With a max size of > 10K only text can be included in an attachment. With about 50K attachments > would become useful and would not take that much longer to transmit over a I don't know where you (or anyone else) gets the idea there is a 10K maximum size limit on attachments in mails sent to -user. > dial up line. Returning rejected messages with an explanation can be > completely automated. The argument that it would tie up bandwidth in this You definitely do not want rejected messages with 100M attachments returned to gary719_list1@verizon.net. How do you feel about getting one every ten seconds. > day and age is ridiculous. If they had done this with my messages this > thread would be about a third of the length that it is. There is no savings > in that level of brevity. Not receiving an explanation about a mail which does not make it to the list is probably a limitation in the list software, Smartlist. However, your assumption that rejects are just thrown into the bit bucket is unsubstantiated. They could just as well be forwarded to Listmaster for consideration. Being a busy person, he hardly gets any time to look at them. Then they get thrown into the bit bucket. :)
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-02 13:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rujTI-2ar-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167352 |
On Monday 02 May 2016 11:51:46 Brian wrote:
> I don't know where you (or anyone else) gets the idea there is a 10K
> maximum size limit on attachments in mails sent to -user.
Here is where I (recently) got it - the CoC just says "not large". :-/
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<quote>
"Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
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https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guidelines.2C_and_Tips
</quote>
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https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/1462115259.13066.3.camel@whiz.se
Lisi
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| From | Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> |
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| Date | 2016-04-30 01:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtpHQ-65N-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167225 |
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 03:20:14PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > Does any one know who hosts this list. It doesn't have any info > at the bottom of the page like the others do. There used to be information at the bottom of the emails but it was moved to the headers because it broke digital signatures. You can still see this information by telling your email client to show the full headers. > Does Debian have there own mail server? Yes. The list server is called lists.debian.org, aka bendel.debian.org, and it's a machine from the Debian Project. There are a lot of other machines from the Project for several purposes. If you are curious: https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-04-30 01:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtqky-6mm-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167225 |
On Fri 29 Apr 2016 at 15:20:14 (-0700), Gary Roach wrote: > On 04/22/2016 04:16 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 15:22:11 (-0700), Gary Roach wrote: > >>On 04/22/2016 06:02 AM, Mimiko wrote: > >>>On 22.04.2016 09:46, Tixy wrote: > >>>>It's because you use gmail and that has a 'feature' which you can't turn > >>>>off that deliberately hides your own messages. > >>>On 22.04.2016 09:55, Brad Rogers wrote: > >>>>Like I said to Michael; gmail. > >>>> > >>>>I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time, > >>>>some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to > >>>>the writer. > >>>I know about this. Its just a minor annoyance. I could just enter > >>>lists site and see if it is there or not. I don't send a duplicate > >>>if message is on list. > >>> > >>>On 22.04.2016 11:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>>>What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server, > >>>>which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent. > >>>>There are quite a few available for linux. > >>>I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be > >>>blocked. I can switch to another ISP. > >>> > >>>I could setup a mail server, but why should I bother to set it up > >>>on my linux-like router, or on my windows desktop... > >>> > >>> > >>>This google's "functionality" is a minor problem. > >>> > >>I'm glad you thing this is a minor problem. Just put out a critical > >>question, get no answer and not know whether its due to the message > >>not getting through or just no interest. It drives me nuts. Things > >>are inconsistent as well. When I posted this thread my original > >>message was posted. Since then I tried to as a question requiring > >>the inclusion of a screen shot. I put the screen shot as an > >>attachment. The message just disappeared never to be heard from > >>again. Very annoying . > >Do you not have web access? You can check there. > > > >Cheers, > >David. > > > Not sure what you mean by web access. To what? If you look at the list of most recent postings at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/recent you'll be able to see whether your contribution has arrived yet. The page should refresh about every 20 minutes. That's if you start a new thread. If you reply to an existing thread, it'll be listed under that thread, which may be on a previous page (though AIUI not a previous month). So, for example, the post I'm replying to here is visible at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg01096.html which is listed on such a previous page at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/thrd2.html > My account is now with aol only because they allow me to use my old > verizon address. But I don't think that aol or my mail client is the > problem here. I have mailing lists that are hosted by GoogleGroups > and by Sourceforge that work fine. Does any one know who hosts this > list. It doesn't have any info at the bottom of the page like the > others do. Does Debian have there own mail server? That information is in the headers (near the bottom): List-Id: <debian-user.lists.debian.org> List-URL: <https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/> List-Post: <mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org> List-Help: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe> Cheers, David.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-30 08:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rtwJk-39j-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #167225 |
On Friday 29 April 2016 23:20:14 Gary Roach wrote: > >> I'm glad you thing this is a minor problem. Just put out a critical > >> question, get no answer and not know whether its due to the message > >> not getting through or just no interest. It drives me nuts. Things > >> are inconsistent as well. When I posted this thread my original > >> message was posted. Since then I tried to as a question requiring > >> the inclusion of a screen shot. I put the screen shot as an > >> attachment. The message just disappeared never to be heard from > >> again. Very annoying . > > > > Do you not have web access? You can check there. > > > > Cheers, > > David. > > Not sure what you mean by web access. To what? The Debian archives. You can see your messages there. E.g. this one to which I am replying (though I am replying from my email client and the correct position in the thread): https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/5723DE1E.9060003@verizon.net Since you are the only person suffering from this precise problem, it seems unlikely to be the fault of the Debian lists. They do have idiosyncratic ways of doing things sometimes, but they ARE posting your posts. As David says, you can check online in the archives to see them for yourself. What critical questions have you asked to which you have not had a reply? Your last post, on any topic other than this, was in February, on "Setting up HDRI in ImageMagick", when you got six replies in two days. Try looking at the author index for each month and you will be able to see which of your emails have got through. Here is April's to get you going: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/author.html Your posts DO show on list. You, your ISP, your email supplier or your email client are/is doing something strange. Lisi
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| From | Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> |
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| Date | 2016-04-23 06:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rqWTE-4PU-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #166964 |
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On 22/04/2016 11:02 PM, Mimiko wrote: > On 22.04.2016 11:59, Gene Heskett wrote: >> What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server, >> which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent. >> There are quite a few available for linux. > > I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be > blocked. I can switch to another ISP. Nobody should have to suffer ISP mail server limitations and implications; far too many don't care about using TLS on the servers and people re-use passwords with passwords being sent in plain text using plain POP. Nobody should have to suffer using Google mail servers either. There are alternatives that work, the best I've found over the years is to simply run my own mail server where, I believe, on the whole, I can make it work the way I expect it should work. > I could setup a mail server, but why should I bother to set it up on my > linux-like router, or on my windows desktop... There are other services if you can't manage it yourself for whatever reasons you see fit. > This google's "functionality" is a minor problem. It's Google's main "functionality",, of which it makes it's fortunes predominantly, that is one of the greatest problems of the Internet these days; take Yahoo for instance, they are a data company that has been offered for sale (not sure where that is at yet), the value is all in the data [user profiling for starters], not in anything else Yahoo is doing. Everybody is being scroogled, no matter what major service you use. Add to that the malvertising coming through flash advert systems and you get the idea that too much is broken. Don't use Google more than you need to, don't use Yahoo more than you need to. Don't use Lookout... (Outlook in whatever guise is still Lookout to me). I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. Reliability was another major reason for me using my own mail server; the ISPs ones were just far too unreliable. Oh and the https idea of strict transport security; Google, Micro$oft and others are trying to bring in a very broken version of that for SMTP. Why the hell can't people simply respect SPF at the very least, and if or when that is finally used to lessen spam from unauthorized senders, well, then they can look at DNSSEC and other options that don't destroy SMTP. [1]. Every domain may or may not require http/https, it may or may not require MX usage.... to link the two so strongly in such a broken way is ludicrous. And yes, my ISP needs to transport bits, just bits and it should do so without discrimination of what those bits are; it should also do so without stealing information from those bits for tracking or other purposes. Just transport the bits, nothing more, nothing less. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-margolis-smtp-sts-00 -- NB: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCREW UP! Cheers AndrewM
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