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  No login secreen on Jessie Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2016-04-17 16:50 +0200
    Re: No login secreen on Jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-17 19:00 +0200
      Re: No login secreen on Jessie Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2016-04-17 22:50 +0200
        Re: No login secreen on Jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-17 23:10 +0200
          Re: No login secreen on Jessie Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2016-04-18 00:50 +0200
            Re: No login secreen on Jessie Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-04-18 12:10 +0200
          Re: No login secreen on Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 01:10 +0200

#166839 — No login secreen on Jessie

Hi,

I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop 
with the configuration:

Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0)
Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz),
2GB DDR
HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB
Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
Audio: Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97

I had problems during installation and installed just the basic system.

Later I installed gnome(apt-get install gnome), but after the boot does 
not appear the login screen, just a black screen.

How can I find the reason of the problem?

I can log just on text mode with Ctrl+Alt+Fn

Thanks,
Markos

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#166843

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 10:59 (UTC):

> I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop
> with the configuration:

> Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0)
> Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz),
> 2GB DDR
> HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB
> Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
> Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
> Audio: Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97

> I had problems during installation and installed just the basic system.

> Later I installed gnome(apt-get install gnome), but after the boot does
> not appear the login screen, just a black screen.

> How can I find the reason of the problem?

> I can log just on text mode with Ctrl+Alt+Fn

The problem could be as simple as the installer having disabled KMS on the 
bootloader's kernel cmdline (nomodeset). 'cat /proc/cmdline' is a simple 
check to find out. If so, it needs to be permanently removed.

If that isn't the case, adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 on kernel cmdline might 
help.

Note that Gnome is arguably the most demanding among DEs from the hardware, 
working best and designed for latest/greatest hardware, while yours is ~13 
years old. You may be better off with a different DE and DM with that old 
entry-level FX 5200 and 32-bit OS version.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#166847

Thanks Felix,

I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.

I will do these tests on next Sunday.

But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on 
Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?

This desktop will beused in educational environment.

Any suggestion?

Thanks,
Markos

Em 17-04-2016 16:59, Felix Miata escreveu:
> Markos composed on 2016-04-17 10:59 (UTC):
>
>> I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop
>> with the configuration:
>
>> Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0)
>> Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz),
>> 2GB DDR
>> HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB
>> Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
>> Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
>> Audio: Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97
>
>> I had problems during installation and installed just the basic system.
>
>> Later I installed gnome(apt-get install gnome), but after the boot does
>> not appear the login screen, just a black screen.
>
>> How can I find the reason of the problem?
>
>> I can log just on text mode with Ctrl+Alt+Fn
>
> The problem could be as simple as the installer having disabled KMS on 
> the bootloader's kernel cmdline (nomodeset). 'cat /proc/cmdline' is a 
> simple check to find out. If so, it needs to be permanently removed.
>
> If that isn't the case, adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 on kernel 
> cmdline might help.
>
> Note that Gnome is arguably the most demanding among DEs from the 
> hardware, working best and designed for latest/greatest hardware, 
> while yours is ~13 years old. You may be better off with a different 
> DE and DM with that old entry-level FX 5200 and 32-bit OS version.

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#166848

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC):

> I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.

> I will do these tests on next Sunday.

> But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on
> Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?

Nothing I wrote was meant to imply Jessie was an inappropriate distro choice.
Rather, Gnome3 is more demanding than your hardware was designed to support.
So, (optionally) removing gnome-desktop, and installing any other desktop is
what I would try first. Several less demanding options are available. My
preference is overwhelmingly TDE, regardless of hardware capability.

https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29 has
TDE installation instructions. The home page link there will provide better
description than I can offer.

> This desktop will beused in educational environment.

> Any suggestion?

Unless your 160GB disk installation unusually constrained your / partition
size, you can install multiple desktop environments, try each, then simply
continue using whichever turns out to be your favorite, optionally removing
the others.

https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment lists Debian's primary desktop
options. If you've been a Gnome user in the past, Mate may turn out to be
your preference.

Alternatively, if switching to another distro is your wish, Edubuntu might
turn out to be an ideal choice.
https://www.edubuntu.org/
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#166852

Hi Felix,

I didn't know about Trinity project. I'll read about it.

And thank you also for the tip about Edubuntu.

Many thanks for your attention,
Markos

Em 17-04-2016 21:08, Felix Miata escreveu:
> Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC):
>
>> I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.
>
>> I will do these tests on next Sunday.
>
>> But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on
>> Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?
>
> Nothing I wrote was meant to imply Jessie was an inappropriate distro 
> choice.
> Rather, Gnome3 is more demanding than your hardware was designed to 
> support.
> So, (optionally) removing gnome-desktop, and installing any other 
> desktop is
> what I would try first. Several less demanding options are available. My
> preference is overwhelmingly TDE, regardless of hardware capability.
>
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29 
> has
> TDE installation instructions. The home page link there will provide 
> better
> description than I can offer.
>
>> This desktop will beused in educational environment.
>
>> Any suggestion?
>
> Unless your 160GB disk installation unusually constrained your / 
> partition
> size, you can install multiple desktop environments, try each, then 
> simply
> continue using whichever turns out to be your favorite, optionally 
> removing
> the others.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment lists Debian's primary desktop
> options. If you've been a Gnome user in the past, Mate may turn out to be
> your preference.
>
> Alternatively, if switching to another distro is your wish, Edubuntu 
> might
> turn out to be an ideal choice.
> https://www.edubuntu.org/

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#166864

On 17/04/16 20:00, Markos wrote:
> Hi Felix,
>
> I didn't know about Trinity project. I'll read about it.
>

It made quite a big bang at the time ...

-- 
Tony van der Hoff        | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

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#166853

On Sunday 17 April 2016 22:08:20 Felix Miata wrote:
> Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC):
> > I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.
> >
> > I will do these tests on next Sunday.
> >
> > But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on
> > Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?
>
> Nothing I wrote was meant to imply Jessie was an inappropriate distro
> choice. Rather, Gnome3 is more demanding than your hardware was designed to
> support. So, (optionally) removing gnome-desktop, and installing any other
> desktop is what I would try first. Several less demanding options are
> available. My preference is overwhelmingly TDE, regardless of hardware
> capability.
>
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29
> has TDE installation instructions. The home page link there will provide
> better description than I can offer.
>
> > This desktop will beused in educational environment.
> >
> > Any suggestion?
>
> Unless your 160GB disk installation unusually constrained your / partition
> size, you can install multiple desktop environments, try each, then simply
> continue using whichever turns out to be your favorite, optionally removing
> the others.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment lists Debian's primary desktop
> options. If you've been a Gnome user in the past, Mate may turn out to be
> your preference.
>
> Alternatively, if switching to another distro is your wish, Edubuntu might
> turn out to be an ideal choice.
> https://www.edubuntu.org/

I would second everything that Felix has said.  Gnome does not sound suitable, 
and I would second the suggestion of trying several other desktops, but be 
sure to include TDE and MATE. 

You don't say what age group you are intending to educate.  FWIW, I personally 
have used Debian with TDE (and its precursor KDE3) for ages from 3 to 83.  So 
far, they all love it, and find it enjoyable.  It is very configurable, which 
makes it ideal IMHO, since it can be adapted to suit the individual and/or 
circumstances.  

Lisi

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