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  New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-25 16:50 +0100
    Re: New firefox isn't working Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 23:50 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 00:40 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 02:20 +0100
        Grossly OT - WW2 start Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-03-26 13:30 +0100
          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 14:40 +0100
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-03-26 15:00 +0100
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:50 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> - 2016-04-03 22:00 +0200
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:50 +0200
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-03-26 15:00 +0100
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 15:00 +0100
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-03-26 15:20 +0100
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 15:40 +0100
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:50 +0200
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 14:00 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2016-03-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-28 16:20 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 00:40 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-03-30 01:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 01:30 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 17:10 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-28 19:00 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 20:20 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 17:10 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 01:20 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-03-30 01:40 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Charlie <ariestao@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-03-30 02:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-03-30 02:10 +0200
                        Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au> - 2016-03-30 03:00 +0200
                        Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 08:30 +0200
                          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> - 2016-03-30 14:50 +0200
                            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 16:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au> - 2016-03-30 02:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:30 +0200
          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 16:50 +0100
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:30 +0200
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:50 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2016-04-03 21:20 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 21:20 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au> - 2016-04-04 00:50 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 21:20 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-03 21:30 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-04 17:30 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> - 2016-04-04 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 21:50 +0200
                          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-05 11:50 +0200
                            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-04-05 13:40 +0200
                              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2016-04-05 15:30 +0200
                                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-04-05 19:40 +0200
                                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-09 18:50 +0200
                              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start humbert.olivier.1@free.fr - 2016-04-05 15:30 +0200
        Re: New firefox isn't working Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:30 +0200
      Re: New firefox isn't working Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:20 +0200
    Re: New firefox isn't working Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-03-26 17:30 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 18:50 +0100
    Re: New firefox isn't working Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-03-26 18:10 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 18:50 +0100
        Re: New firefox isn't working Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 19:20 +0100
          Re: New firefox isn't working Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-03-26 22:00 +0100
          Re: New firefox isn't working Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-03-27 01:20 +0100
            Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-27 04:10 +0200

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#166242 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 11:46:37 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Saturday 26 March 2016 08:22:06 Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> 
> > On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Thanks Tom.  Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his
> > > grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941.  Tears because he knew
> > > we would declare war.
> > >
> > > And I believe thats the last war we fully intended to win.  Its all
> > > been downhill since.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> > Hmm, despite what you guys seem to think, WW2 started on 1 Sept 1939.
> 
> This is very offtopic, but it may have started even before that for some 
> of you on that side of the pond. My deepest sympathies to those who were 
> close enough to that and suffered thru it and lived.

I consider the second world war an extension of the first- there really was only one "hot" World War, from the 1910s to the 1940s, with two major outbreaks of violence as the old (European) imperial order collapsed and the new (American) imperial order arose.

The net result was that Europe was knocked off its throne and the US ascended to Europe's former position in those turbulent 40 years or so.

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#166290 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

Adam Wilson wrote:

> 
> I consider the second world war an extension of the first- there really
> was only one "hot" World War, from the 1910s to the 1940s, with two major
> outbreaks of violence as the old (European) imperial order collapsed and
> the new (American) imperial order arose.
> 
> The net result was that Europe was knocked off its throne and the US
> ascended to Europe's former position in those turbulent 40 years or so.

Adam Wilson,
I like you more and more. Thanks for taking your time. I got tired after
someone got rude, but I am glad I see someone who shares my opinion more or
less. I must admit that you put forward my thoughts in much better English
and order.
Yes there is a big crises with those two wars and the reason was to reshape
the world. In fact all starts somewhen in the 18th century, but the
escalation was obvious in the 20th.
However I'm sick of hearing here that the USA won somehow the WWII. They
moved into Europe in 1944. Of course they helped, but as nowdays (and this
was my point in the first mail) they supported both sides, knowing that
this way they get weaker. Just as today they support ISIS and pretend to
fight ISIS in the same time - hypocrisy pure.
At least the Soviets did not pretend to be democracy. They called it
dictatorship of the people. For the western world now it should
dictatorship of corporations.


regards

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#166301 — Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY!

Does this list have moderators? Because this is absurd.
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#166302 — Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY!

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400
Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:

> Does this list have moderators? Because this is absurd.

Yes. But they only intervene when necessary. We are not infringing on
the rights of anyone else to discuss what they wish.

However, I think we should take this off-list, deloptes.

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#166314 — Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY!

On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 22:17:41 +0300 Adam Wilson sent:

> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400
> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does this list have moderators? Because this is absurd.  
> 
> Yes. But they only intervene when necessary. We are not infringing on
> the rights of anyone else to discuss what they wish.
> 
> However, I think we should take this off-list, deloptes.

Interesting subject.

Truth mostly offends people who have been brainwashed so it's probably
better off list.

Be well,
Charlie

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#166345 — Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY!

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Obetter  Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 7:42 AM Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au>
wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 22:17:41 +0300 Adam Wilson sent:
>
> > On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400
> > Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>
> Truth mostly offends people who have been brainwashed so it's probably
> better off list.
>
> No, it's better off list because it never had any place on the list in the
first place.

Mark

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#166303 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 20:47:30 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Adam Wilson wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I consider the second world war an extension of the first- there
> > really was only one "hot" World War, from the 1910s to the 1940s,
> > with two major outbreaks of violence as the old (European) imperial
> > order collapsed and the new (American) imperial order arose.
> > 
> > The net result was that Europe was knocked off its throne and the US
> > ascended to Europe's former position in those turbulent 40 years or
> > so.
> 
> Adam Wilson,
> I like you more and more. 

I like you too- I am one of the few who will not dismiss your views are
"conspiracies" simply because they differ from those pushed as part of
Western mythology.

> Thanks for taking your time. I got tired
> after someone got rude, but I am glad I see someone who shares my
> opinion more or less. I must admit that you put forward my thoughts
> in much better English and order.
> Yes there is a big crises with those two wars and the reason was to
> reshape the world. In fact all starts somewhen in the 18th century,
> but the escalation was obvious in the 20th.
> However I'm sick of hearing here that the USA won somehow the WWII.

They won in the sense that they were on the winning side- but "won" as
in made the principal contribution simply isn't true. The USSR did that
through the sacrifice of 20 million Russians.

> They moved into Europe in 1944. Of course they helped, but as nowdays
> (and this was my point in the first mail) they supported both sides,
> knowing that this way they get weaker. Just as today they support
> ISIS and pretend to fight ISIS in the same time - hypocrisy pure.

One thing I always found incredibly bemusing was the fact that although
the US practically created modern Islamic fundamentalism (destroying
pan-Arabism and secular leftist nationalist alternatives in the process
and creating a power vacuum for the ascendancy of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and
the Taleban), the US now preaches "war on terror" and continues to be
the world's number one source of terror on a monstrous scale.

The problem with Western mythology as we see it in the media is that it
completely ignores informed historical understanding. Our modern
history begins with 9/11- "angry peasants attacked us because they hate
our freedom- now let's go slaughter some of these backwards peasants
back!"- and completely ignores what preceded it.

From Israel, the perpetrator of the Palestinian Holocaust, to Vietnam,
where a greater tonnage of ordinance was dropped than the North alone
than all the bombs dropped in the second world war put together, the US
is the real terrorist, the scourge of the modern age.

> At least the Soviets did not pretend to be democracy.

Actually, they did. The official propaganda line of the the USSR's TASS
was that the USSR was a democratic state (a contradiction in terms if
there ever was one- there has never been a democratic state, since the
state in itself must have a source of authority remote from the people
to be a state).

Both the USA and the USSR claimed to be democracies- and neither were.

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#166306 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

Adam Wilson composed on 2016-04-03 22:11 (UTC+0300):

> Both the USA and the USSR claimed to be democracies- and neither were.

Only the misinformed and uninformed claim the USA is or ever has been a 
democracy.
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#166370 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:27:32 -0400
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Adam Wilson composed on 2016-04-03 22:11 (UTC+0300):
> 
> > Both the USA and the USSR claimed to be democracies- and neither
> > were.
> 
> Only the misinformed and uninformed claim the USA is or ever has been
> a democracy.

Unfortunately, these people are what most of the population consist of.
There is a good reason for this- plays into the hands of capital, and
is actively perpetuated by capital via the state.

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#166379 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On 04/04/2016 10:21 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:
> Unfortunately, these people are what most of the population consist of.

> On 04/03/2016 02:17 PM, Adam Wilson wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400
>> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does this list have moderators? Because this is absurd.
>> 
>> Yes. But they only intervene when necessary. We are not infringing on
>> the rights of anyone else to discuss what they wish.
>> 
>> However, I think we should take this off-list, deloptes.

Please take your own advice.

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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#166385 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

Glenn Holmer wrote:

> On 04/04/2016 10:21 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:
>> Unfortunately, these people are what most of the population consist of.
> 
>> On 04/03/2016 02:17 PM, Adam Wilson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400
>>> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Does this list have moderators? Because this is absurd.
>>> 
>>> Yes. But they only intervene when necessary. We are not infringing on
>>> the rights of anyone else to discuss what they wish.
>>> 
>>> However, I think we should take this off-list, deloptes.
> 
> Please take your own advice.

Hi all
and thank you for your interesting views. I agree we can take it off now.
I inspired this OT not expecting to see such reactions and views.

Let me say this at the end.
The main idea behind my original posting was to give an alternative view and
inspire some people to think about. Finally it is a public list and I do
not like to have a mainstream view put forward without been questioned.
Unfortunately as a not native speaker I can and will not be able to put
forward the facts (or rather my interpretation/understanding of the facts)
as Adam Willson did. Thank you Adam for doing so!

The facts are building blocks of truth. Unfortunately we interpret and can
not have same view of truth, even if we use same words.
It is amazing that there are people who understand the facts and people who
label them (the facts) as conspiracy, but still, from my own experience, if
we do not bring forward another view of the truth, no one will ever
question the validity of his/her own view. (Think about Nicolaus
Copernicus, Giordano Bruno and many others)

So this is all about. When you give more possible interpretations of the
facts, every one should at least start thinking and questioning his/her own
knowledge base.
And yes, this is a very basic and valid right to question and to interpret
facts. It is painful to find out that you were wrong, I must admit from my
own experience, but this makes you stronger.

It might be that I am wrong, it might be that I am right, but who are you to
judge me or my views - this is really sad, but I must admit I was also
blind but now I can see, so your words have been forgiven and forgotten for
the sake of a better future.

I feel sorry for all of you who do not do this exercise at least once a
week. And for all of you who do this exercise but end up in conspiracy :D

regards

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#166401 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:41:54 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately as a not native speaker

Where are you from, deloptes?

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#166406 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On 2016-04-05, Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:41:54 +0200
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately as a not native speaker
>
> Where are you from, deloptes?
>

I believe he lost the war and is trying to win the subsequent battle.

-- 
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so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#166415 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

"This list is not moderated ..."

>From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

Dammit!

If this was netnews I'd newgroup debian-user-politics in a heartbeat and
start moving messages there.
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#166433 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:25:16 -0400
Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:

> "This list is not moderated ..."
> 
> >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/  
> 
> Dammit!
> 
> If this was netnews I'd newgroup debian-user-politics in a heartbeat
> and start moving messages there.

There's a uk.politics.misc with contributors from many nations, and
even the occasional bit of Linux advocacy...

-- 
Joe

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#166562 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:25:16 -0400
Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:

> "This list is not moderated ..."
> 
> >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
> 
> Dammit!
> 
> If this was netnews I'd newgroup debian-user-politics in a heartbeat
> and start moving messages there.

debian-user-politics@lists.debian.org- I like the sound of that. We
should get it started!

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#166416 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

>> Where are you from, deloptes?
>>
>
>I believe he lost the war and is trying to win the subsequent battle.

Complotist !

:)

Being a little bit serious there, are you *really* thinking that anyone (except the ones selling weapons to the different competitors) are winning anything in a war or after a war ?

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 21:13:27 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Friday 25 March 2016 18:48:36 Tom Browder wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, March 25, 2016, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this my fault, or firefox?  If my fault, how do I fix it?
> >
> > I can't help you at the moment, Gene, I have pretty much boycotted
> > Firefox. But I want you to know I enjoyed your web site and totally
> > concur with your opinions--may God save our nation!
> >
> > If I were a Facebook user I would "like" your post.
> >
> > Cheers from another old-timer!
> >
> > -Tom
> 
> Thanks Tom.  Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his 
> grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941.  Tears because he knew we 
> would declare war.
> 
> And I believe thats the last war we fully intended to win.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying the US wasn't trying to win in Vietnam? In Iraq? In East Timor? In Afghanistan?

I will concede the Bay of Pigs though.

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 17:48:36 -0500
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings all;
> > ...
> 
> 
> > Is this my fault, or firefox?  If my fault, how do I fix it?
> 
> 
> I can't help you at the moment, Gene, I have pretty much boycotted Firefox.

Why?

> But I want you to know I enjoyed your web site and totally concur with your
> opinions--may God save our nation!

Who is this "God" of which you speak? I am afraid I am unfamiliar with her.

> If I were a Facebook user I would "like" your post.

*used

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#165981

Gene Heskett wrote on 03/25/16 16:40:
> Greetings all;
> 
> The reason is that it treats every clicked on link in an email, into a 
> download of the site, which kills lots of time, and the subsequent 
> display of the site by showing the file://tmp/somehashnumber it has 
> downloaded in the address titlebar.
> 
> Is this my fault, or firefox?  If my fault, how do I fix it?
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
It may depend on which mail tool you use. In icedove/thunderbird I'd take a look
at Edit -> Preferences -> Attachments -> Incoming and check what is configured
there for http, https, ftp, file. In my case the Action is "Use x-www-browser".
And /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser is a link to /usr/bin/firefox .

Regards,
jvp.

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