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  Blank screen on tty (console) Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2016-04-01 18:40 +0200
    Re: Blank screen on tty (console) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-01 19:40 +0200
      OT: GRUB kernel options (Was: Blank screen on tty (console)) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-02 05:40 +0200
    Re: Blank screen on tty (console) (revised) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-02 05:50 +0200
      Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-02 19:50 +0200
        Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-02 21:20 +0200
          Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-02 22:50 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-03 00:50 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-04 21:20 +0200
              Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-05 12:00 +0200
                  Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-04-05 13:30 +0200
                    Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-06 15:50 +0200
                  Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-05 16:00 +0200
        Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-04-03 10:20 +0200
          Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 11:00 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
              Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-03 12:30 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-03 21:30 +0200
              Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:30 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-04 06:00 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-04-04 06:00 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-04-04 07:40 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-04 09:20 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-04 17:20 +0200

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#166163 — Blank screen on tty (console)

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I am unable to use virtual console. Tried all combinations of cTRL+alt+f- .
Only X works fine. Rest all screens show an underscore (cursor) which
doesn't blink. I can't even login.
Googling lead to a solution which said to change resolution in grub
configuration and enable grub terminal. It worked for a few days, but
doesn't work from last night.

Debian Stretch with KDE plasma 5
Linux image 4.4 (whatever is the latest one on testing)
Grub EFI.

Any help?

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#166164

Himanshu Shekhar composed on 2016-04-01 22:00 (UTC+0530):

> I am unable to use virtual console. Tried all combinations of cTRL+alt+f- .
> Only X works fine. Rest all screens show an underscore (cursor) which
> doesn't blink. I can't even login.

Even if you wait 30 seconds or a minute or more?

> Googling lead to a solution which said to change resolution in grub
> configuration and enable grub terminal. It worked for a few days, but
> doesn't work from last night.

> Debian Stretch with KDE plasma 5
> Linux image 4.4 (whatever is the latest one on testing)
> Grub EFI.

At the Grub menu, try removing both splash=silent & verbose from the kernel 
cmdline, then report back.
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"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#166179 — OT: GRUB kernel options (Was: Blank screen on tty (console))

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:34:04 -0400
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Himanshu Shekhar composed on 2016-04-01 22:00 (UTC+0530):
> 
> > I am unable to use virtual console. Tried all combinations of cTRL+alt+f- .
> > Only X works fine. Rest all screens show an underscore (cursor) which
> > doesn't blink. I can't even login.
> 
> Even if you wait 30 seconds or a minute or more?
> 
> > Googling lead to a solution which said to change resolution in grub
> > configuration and enable grub terminal. It worked for a few days, but
> > doesn't work from last night.
> 
> > Debian Stretch with KDE plasma 5
> > Linux image 4.4 (whatever is the latest one on testing)
> > Grub EFI.
> 
> At the Grub menu, try removing both splash=silent & verbose from the kernel 
> cmdline, then report back.

What does the "verbose" option do? Generate even more sexy text creep than "text" or just leaving it blank?

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#166180 — Re: Blank screen on tty (console) (revised)

Himanshu Shekhar composed on 2016-04-01 22:00 (UTC+0530):

> I am unable to use virtual console. Tried all combinations of cTRL+alt+f- .
> Only X works fine. Rest all screens show an underscore (cursor) which
> doesn't blink. I can't even login.

Even if you wait 30 seconds or a minute or more?

> Googling lead to a solution which said to change resolution in grub
> configuration and enable grub terminal. It worked for a few days, but
> doesn't work from last night.

> Debian Stretch with KDE plasma 5
> Linux image 4.4 (whatever is the latest one on testing)
> Grub EFI.

At the Grub menu, try removing both splash=silent & quiet from the kernel 
cmdline, then report back.

(originally and inexplicably without noticing I wrote verbose where it should 
have been quiet)
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

   Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#166203 — Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel than then one
suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the partitions I had
prepared and carefully sized.

My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and ImageMagick?  These
are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which came with
my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is chock full
of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a particular .deb
to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in "dependency
hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

TIA,

Alan

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#166205 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 13:46:09 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel than then one
> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the partitions I had
> prepared and carefully sized.

Good, but this is information underload. Which kernel was suggested?
Which one did you pick? Remember, it could help others than yourself.

> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and ImageMagick?  These
> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which came with
> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is chock full

You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
netinst image.

> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a particular .deb
> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in "dependency
> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

The vendor has it. Have you thought of asking what it is they have sold
you?

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#166209 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 3:17:09 PM
Subject: Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 13:46:09 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel than then one
> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the partitions I had
> prepared and carefully sized.

Good, but this is information underload. Which kernel was suggested?
Which one did you pick? Remember, it could help others than yourself.
           It wasn't the one with the .pae.  IIRC there were a couple.  Of course I
           didn't copy down the names of all the choices!

> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and ImageMagick?  These
> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which came with
> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is chock full

You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
netinst image.
         Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why are you
         telling me what it 'should' have?

> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a particular .deb
> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in "dependency
> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

The vendor has it. Have you thought of asking what it is they have sold
you?
          I suppose I should have bought the 8 or 10 or 15 DVDs.  As I have already
          said: I bought the DVD+thumb drive from LinuxCollections, since it was
          a) cheaper, and b) less bulky, and c) represented, I hoped a new
          technology.  Thumb drives can contain a lot more on them than a DVD
          can.

I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll try to
respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to install
SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)

Alan

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#166214 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 16:42:35 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
> netinst image.
>          Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why are you
>          telling me what it 'should' have?


Please mount the DVD on /mnt and post here the output of

  cat /mnt/.disk/info

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#166383 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 16:42:35 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>          Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why are you
>          telling me what it 'should' have?

I have touched on this in another post but here is a fuller answer:

A netinst image is about 300M. The vendor has sold you a DVD. There is a
lot of wasted space if it only holds that image. You haven't responded
to the question asking for image identification of the disk. We will
assume it is DVD-1. This image contains mutt and ImageMagick. That is
why you are being told it "'should' have". Why you think it doesn't is a
mystery.

> I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll try to
> respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to install
> SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)

You have had responses from people who have answers. None of them appear
to meet your "significance" criterion. Repeating your question again is
unlikely to produce better answers. Responding to a mail or two might
get you further on.

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#166386 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:18:49 PM
Subject: Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 16:42:35 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>          Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why are you
>          telling me what it 'should' have?

I have touched on this in another post but here is a fuller answer:
       I owe Brian an apology.  When asked to put in my DVD, I put it into my
       _second_ DVD/CD drive, which is what I used to install.  Now I have
       detached my USB-connected CD/DVD reader-writer, and I have made a lot
       of progress.  But I am still having problems; see below.


assume it is DVD-1. This image contains mutt and ImageMagick. That is
why you are being told it "'should' have". Why you think it doesn't is a
mystery.
        <G> solved now, I hope!  Now my progress report: after futzing around and
        trying to install this and that, I decided to bite the bullet/go with the
        flow, and install GNOME, the whole thing.  Which I did, and it took just
        short of an hour.  For some reason, Libreoffice was not installed.  I hope
        I can get it later, since I know no other method of reading the occasional
        .doc and .docx files that come my way.
  
        [  By the way: I could and did get  emacsen-common, but still have no working
        emacs.  How does one get such?  ]

        Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my command line, and I
        got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the eye after days of perusing tiny
        characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the blue screen there was
        a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around elegantly when controlled by my right
        hand.   

        And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . . I typed on the keyboard,
        no reaction . . .   There must be some simple way to get a proper GNOME started,
        but since I've never used it before, I wonder if someone can give me a hint.

> I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll try to
> respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to install
> SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)
         That's another discovery I've made.  The data on the DVD and the data on
         the thumb drive are exactly the same!  I don't know why LinuxCollections
         offers such a silly coupling for sale.  As I wrote previously, I thought
         there was some 'new technology' going on.  Not so at all.

You have had responses from people who have answers. None of them appear
to meet your "significance" criterion. Repeating your question again is
unlikely to produce better answers. Responding to a mail or two might
get you further on.
         An unfair charge, Brian.  I've done a _lot_ of work, learning about and
         coping with a Debian version totally unlike the one's I've used before.
         I have paid attention to, and benefitted from, and acknowledged the
         help of several people.  Other people.

         As someone elsewhere has remarked: an experienced user, familiar with
         Debian, should be able to install a new version in a half hour.  This 
         experience -- and I'm not done yet -- has taken me _days_.  I still don't
         know why.

Best wishes to all, and I hope Brian is satisfied<g>

Alan

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#166388 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Monday 04 April 2016 21:51:23 Alan McConnell wrote:
>  I don't know why LinuxCollections
>          offers such a silly coupling for sale.

Because it is useful?  If you were someone who installs frequently (many 
people do) then you need both to cover a variety of computers.  Some don't 
have optical drives.  Some won't boot from USB keys.

To be fair to LinuxCollections, I thought that they make this abundantly 
clear. :-/  But  you wouldn't have believed it until you had discovered it 
for yourself.  As I understood it, both are DVD1.

But I thought you had decided to use Ubuntu, which you are again going to have 
on both USB stick and DVD?

Lisi

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#166402 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Mon 04 Apr 2016 at 16:51:23 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>         <G> solved now, I hope!  Now my progress report: after futzing around and
>         trying to install this and that, I decided to bite the bullet/go with the
>         flow, and install GNOME, the whole thing.  Which I did, and it took just
>         short of an hour.  For some reason, Libreoffice was not installed.  I hope
>         I can get it later, since I know no other method of reading the occasional
>         .doc and .docx files that come my way.

Strange. Libreoffice packages are dependencies of gnome (as is gdm3). You
could try

  apt-get install -f

or

  apt-get install libreoffice


>         [  By the way: I could and did get  emacsen-common, but still have no working
>         emacs.  How does one get such?  ]

emacs24 is on DVD-2, so either you obtain this disk or (as was suggested
earlier in this thread) set up sources.list for an external mirror and
get it over the network.

>         Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my command line, and I
>         got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the eye after days of perusing tiny
>         characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the blue screen there was
>         a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around elegantly when controlled by my right
>         hand.   

Progress indeed.
 
>         And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . . I typed on the keyboard,
>         no reaction . . .   There must be some simple way to get a proper GNOME started,
>         but since I've never used it before, I wonder if someone can give me a hint.

The gnome I have has 'Activities' in the top left of the screen.

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#166403 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On 2016-04-05, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>         Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my command line, and I
>>         got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the eye after days of perusing tiny

I get that too (blue, it must be the default desktop watchamacallit,
with a light-grayish swirl in the middle). 



>>         characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the blue screen there was
>>         a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around elegantly when controlled by my right
>>         hand.   
>

Have you moved it elegantly to the extreme upper-left hand corner of the display?

> Progress indeed.
>  
>>         And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . . I typed on the keyboard,
>>         no reaction . . .   There must be some simple way to get a proper GNOME started,
>>         but since I've never used it before, I wonder if someone can give me a hint.
>
> The gnome I have has 'Activities' in the top left of the screen.
>

Right. Activities. Wonder what they mean by that. 

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#166460 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

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On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:28:03 +0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2016-04-05, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>         Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my
> >> command line, and I got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the
> >> eye after days of perusing tiny
> 
> I get that too (blue, it must be the default desktop watchamacallit,
> with a light-grayish swirl in the middle). 
> 
> 
> 
> >>         characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the
> >> blue screen there was a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around
> >> elegantly when controlled by my right hand.   
> >
> 
> Have you moved it elegantly to the extreme upper-left hand corner of
> the display?
> 
> > Progress indeed.
> >  
> >>         And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . .
> >> I typed on the keyboard, no reaction . . .   There must be some
> >> simple way to get a proper GNOME started, but since I've never
> >> used it before, I wonder if someone can give me a hint.
> >
> > The gnome I have has 'Activities' in the top left of the screen.
> >
> 
> Right. Activities. Wonder what they mean by that.

It's as good a name as any, I suppose. The GNOME Overview is the
central location where everything from the applications menu to open
windows to a window list to workspaces are located, so it would make
sense to give it some generic name. "Activities" means pretty much
everything one would want to do with a computer.

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#166417 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

<G>  New developments!  When I turned my machine on this morning, I was given
a lovely blue screen with "Alan McConnell" in a box in the center and a space for
the password just below.  I typed in my password and was presented with a bunch of
icons on the left hand side of the screen.  Very pretty.  But when I clicked on any
of them, trying to find a terminal emulator so I can run from the command line, I
get a frowny face, telling me that an error occurred(???) and the system is suspending.
All I can do is click OK and then I get put into the original login screen, as above.
I am not given a clue what the problem is.  I do know that I don't have an .Xauthority
file in /home/alan, and this may be part of the difficulty.  Does anyone know how to
create an .Xauthority with  xauth?  I find the man page of xauth pretty impenetrable.

 [  What is the difference between hitting the reset button, causing a reboot, and
turning the machine off?  It seems that there is one; otherwise why didn't I get this
result yesterday?  ]

I am still not able to connect to "the Internet" aka the outside world, and I don't
know why this is.  I am living in a retirement community and when I first moved in, in
December, a staff member came in with a router, connected my machine to it, and it
"worked".  That was with   wheezy  .  I haven't a clue why it doesn't work with
  jessie .  Of course this is a problem that I can expect only suggestions from the
friendly and innovative members of this E-list<G>.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:51:25 AM
Subject: Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Mon 04 Apr 2016 at 16:51:23 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>         <G> solved now, I hope!  Now my progress report: after futzing around and
>         trying to install this and that, I decided to bite the bullet/go with the
>         flow, and install GNOME, the whole thing.  Which I did, and it took just
>         short of an hour.  For some reason, Libreoffice was not installed.  I hope
>         I can get it later, since I know no other method of reading the occasional
>         .doc and .docx files that come my way.

Strange. Libreoffice packages are dependencies of gnome (as is gdm3). You
could try
          I did get it later(apt-get install libreoffice).


>         [  By the way: I could and did get  emacsen-common, but still have no working
>         emacs.  How does one get such?  ]

emacs24 is on DVD-2, so either you obtain this disk or (as was suggested
earlier in this thread) set up sources.list for an external mirror and
get it over the network.
          Once I get the network working, I can try this.  I think I will have to
          edit /etc/apt/sources.list, a ticklish procedure.  I am going to ask my
          GSFC friend if he can burn me the Official Debian jessie disks 2 and 3,
          which should keep be busy for a while.

The saga continues!

Alan, swimming through molasses

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#166235 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell <alan@his.com>:

> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different  
> kernel than then one
> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the  
> partitions I had
> prepared and carefully sized.
>
> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and  
> ImageMagick?  These
> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive,  
> which came with
> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it  
> is chock full
> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a  
> particular .deb
> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in  
> "dependency
> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.
>
> TIA,
>
> Alan
>

I think it is possible to use the thumb drive as a local repo. Does the  
drive have a directory with the following sub-directories?
dists, pool, indices and doc

Insert and mount the drive and take a note of the location. For example  
/media/USER_NAME/usb_drive
Add a line in /etc/apt/sources.list

deb file:/media/USER_NAME/usb_drive/dir_which_have_the_sub_dirs jessie  
main contrib non-free

Tell apt you have new packages as root with:
apt-get update

Install the software you want with:
apt-get install emacs

success,

Floris

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#166238 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

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On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 17:11 Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> wrote:

> Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell <alan@his.com>:
>
> > Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different
> > kernel than then one
> > suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the
> > partitions I had
> > prepared and carefully sized.
> >
> > My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and
> > ImageMagick?  These
> > are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive,
> > which came with
> > my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it
> > is chock full
> > of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a
> > particular .deb
> > to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in
> > "dependency
> > hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Alan
> >
>
>
>
>

I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the first
> place. It's supposed to be free software...
>

Respect to anyone who chooses to donate to the project, or to the upstream
of packages they particularly derive value from, but surely the thing to do
would be to use it, then decide to do that??? What's the use case that
makes sense to pay for it before you've tried it?

BTW best answer in my opinion is get networking working, then set up
sources.list to point at the repos as others have suggested. If networking
isn't available, sources.list set up to use the thumb drive as others have
suggested is the way to go. Either way, once at up, there are commands line
apt-get install <package> to install software and keep it up to date.

Mark

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#166239 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

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Op Sun, 03 Apr 2016 10:56:23 +0200 schreef Mark Fletcher  
<mark27q1@gmail.com>:

>
>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 17:11 Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> wrote:
>> Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell  
>> <alan@his.com>:
>>
>>> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different
>>> kernel than then one
>>> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the
>>> partitions I had
>>> prepared and carefully sized.
>>>
>>> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and
>>> ImageMagick?  These
>>> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive,
>>> which came with
>>> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it
>>> is chock full
>>> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a
>>> particular .deb
>>> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in
>>> "dependency
>>> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive  
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>> I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the  
>> first place. It's supposed to be free software...
>
> Respect to anyone who chooses to donate to the project, or to the  
> upstream of packages they particularly derive value from, >but surely  
> the thing to do would be to use it, then decide to do that??? What's the  
> use case that makes sense to pay for it >before you've tried it?
> BTW best answer in my opinion is get networking working, then set up  
> sources.list to point at the repos as others have >suggested. If  
> networking isn't available, sources.list set up to use the thumb drive  
> as others have suggested is the way to >go. Either way, once at up,  
> there are commands line apt-get install <package> to install software  
> and keep it up to date.
> Mark
>

I don't know if the OP has a good Internet connection or need some  
non-free firmware packages to make it work. But you are right. Get your  
network up-and-running so you can make sure you have the most stable and  
secure packages available.

Floris

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#166255 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 11:03:10 +0200, Floris wrote:

> Op Sun, 03 Apr 2016 10:56:23 +0200 schreef Mark Fletcher
> <mark27q1@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the
> > first place. It's supposed to be free software...
> >
> >Respect to anyone who chooses to donate to the project, or to the upstream
> >of packages they particularly derive value from, >but surely the thing to
> >do would be to use it, then decide to do that??? What's the use case that
> >makes sense to pay for it >before you've tried it?
> >BTW best answer in my opinion is get networking working, then set up
> >sources.list to point at the repos as others have >suggested. If
> >networking isn't available, sources.list set up to use the thumb drive as
> >others have suggested is the way to >go. Either way, once at up, there are
> >commands line apt-get install <package> to install software and keep it up
> >to date.
> >Mark
> >
> 
> I don't know if the OP has a good Internet connection or need some non-free
> firmware packages to make it work. But you are right. Get your network
> up-and-running so you can make sure you have the most stable and secure
> packages available.

No, your advice first time round was right. Or at least it was useful
and appropriate for Alan McConnell's situation. The fact that he has a
DVD and a USB stick indicates he has some need or desire to use them.
Purchasing them still gets him free software.

The USB stick can most probably be used as an archive. What is on the
DVD is unknown, apart from it having the installer. If it is Debian's
DVD-1 it will contain mutt and imagemagick, so they should be capable
of installation with a correct sources.list (which d-i should have set
up).

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#166305 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+0000), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the first
> place.

Convenience, bandwidth, trust,...

> It's supposed to be free software...

It *is* free software. That doesn't mean that vendors have to download
it, burn it, verify it, market it, distribute it, support it and pay
for all the overheads for nothing. There's no business model in that.

Cheers,
David.

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