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  Changing Boot Order Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-03-24 22:00 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order Tom <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 22:30 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-24 22:50 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2016-03-24 23:30 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 00:00 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-25 01:00 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-25 04:30 +0100
      Re: Changing Boot Order Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-03-25 22:10 +0100
        Re: Changing Boot Order songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2016-03-25 23:10 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order Jhon Prada <jhonalber@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 23:20 +0100
            Re: Changing Boot Order Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-03-26 00:30 +0100
              Re: Changing Boot Order Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-26 00:40 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-03-26 00:20 +0100
            Re: Changing Boot Order Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-03-26 00:40 +0100
              Re: Changing Boot Order Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 00:40 +0100
        Re: Changing Boot Order Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-26 00:00 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-26 08:20 +0100
        Re: Changing Boot Order Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-26 18:50 +0100
    Re: Changing Boot Order Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-03-26 11:10 +0100
      Re: Changing Boot Order Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-26 12:30 +0100
        Re: Changing Boot Order Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-03-26 17:20 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 18:00 +0100
            Re: Changing Boot Order Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-26 18:50 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-26 18:40 +0100
            Re: Changing Boot Order chrisb@localhost.localdomain - 2016-03-28 11:40 +0200
              Re: Changing Boot Order Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 12:10 +0200
          Re: Changing Boot Order (correction) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-26 19:00 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-26 19:00 +0100
            Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness! Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-03-26 20:00 +0100
              Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness! songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2016-03-26 20:40 +0100
              Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-26 23:00 +0100
                Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness! Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 23:50 +0100
                  Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-27 00:20 +0100
                  Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness! David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-28 17:40 +0200
          Re: Changing Boot Order David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-26 19:10 +0100
          Re: Changing Boot Order Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2016-03-27 09:00 +0200
          Re: Changing Boot Order Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 12:10 +0200
          Re: Changing Boot Order Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 12:10 +0200

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#165980

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> 
> > boot order.  No matter what key I press, the system continues
> > on with a re-boot of my old  wheezy. 
> 
> Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ?
  	    No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe.  A white
	    cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at
	    the back of my standard case.

	    I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard
	    is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one.  Since
	    my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now,
	    I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to
	    the inadequacy of my present keyboard.

	    I have taken the trouble to have excerpted some lines
	    from the beginning of my MSI User Guide, Chapter 3.
	    (the first two chapters give copious details on how
	    to install the physical motherboard into the computer
	    case).  Here they are:
(start)--------------------------
	BIOS Setup
CLICK BIOS is a revolutionary EUFI that allows you to setup and
configure your system for optimum use.  Using your mouse and
keyboard, users can change BIOS settings, monitor CPU temperature,
select the boot device priority, and view system information such
as such as the CPU name, DRAM capacity, the OS version and the
BIOS version.  Users can import and export data for backup or for
sharing with friends.

	Entering Setup
The default settings offer the optimal performance for system
stability in normal conditions. . . . .

	Entering BIOS Setup
Power on the computer and the computer will enter the Power On
Self Test(POST) process.  When the message below appears on the
screen, press Delete key to enter BIOS:

     Press <Del> to run BIOS setup, or <F!!> to run boot menu

                                 ------------------------(finish)
 	     And there you have it.  The last line of the excerpt
	     is exacly the text that appears on my screen.  But
	     pressing the Delete key does not have any effect.
	     My complaint in a nutshell.

Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that
appear on my boot screnn.  After severl iterations of
       COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal.  I have done some
googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a
USB device.  I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer
via a USB device.

I am taking up a lot of message time here.  But my question is a
very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the
BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present,
or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in?

TIA for anticipated help!

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://globaltap.com/~alan/
      "It is a great advantage for a system of philosophy
      to be substantially true." (Sophia Loren)

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#165982

On Saturday 26 March 2016 16:11:22 Alan McConnell wrote:
> I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard
>             is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one.  Since
>             my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now,
>             I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to
>             the inadequacy of my present keyboard.

We are looking for possible explanations.  A problem with your keyboard (from 
the BIOS's point of view, not yours) is a likely explanation.  If you refuse 
to try the suggestions made, on the grounds that you know that they are 
wrong, it is difficult to help you.

In your position I would try several different keyboards of several different 
types.  As many as possible.  If you can't lay your hands on another 
keyboard, then you may be stuck.  Do none of the suggestions that do not 
involve keyboards help?

Can you get someone to show you the repeated-clicking method to make sure that 
you are doing it correctly?

Perhaps your motherboard is the thing that is faulty????  There is something 
wrong with something.

Have you thought of upgrading my simply upgrading?  Though make sure you know 
what to do before you do it.

Lisi

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#165986

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On 26 March 2016 at 16:53, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday 26 March 2016 16:11:22 Alan McConnell wrote:
> > I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard
> >             is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one.  Since
> >             my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now,
> >             I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to
> >             the inadequacy of my present keyboard.
>
> We are looking for possible explanations.  A problem with your keyboard
> (from
> the BIOS's point of view, not yours) is a likely explanation.  If you
> refuse
> to try the suggestions made, on the grounds that you know that they are
> wrong, it is difficult to help you.
>
> In your position I would try several different keyboards of several
> different
> types.  As many as possible.  If you can't lay your hands on another
> keyboard, then you may be stuck.  Do none of the suggestions that do not
> involve keyboards help?
>
> Can you get someone to show you the repeated-clicking method to make sure
> that
> you are doing it correctly?
>
> Perhaps your motherboard is the thing that is faulty????  There is
> something
> wrong with something.
>
> Have you thought of upgrading my simply upgrading?


​On my AMD 3400 box I had to use the bios manually every time I wanted to
boot linux - the grub menu would not spontaneously appear.

But upgrading to debian jessie and beyond somehow cured the problem.

Regds

MF​





> Though make sure you know
> what to do before you do it.
>
> Lisi
>
>


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#165985

Le 26/03/2016 17:11, Alan McConnell a écrit :

>       Press <Del> to run BIOS setup, or <F!!> to run boot menu
>
>                                   ------------------------(finish)
>   	     And there you have it.  The last line of the excerpt
> 	     is exacly the text that appears on my screen.  But
> 	     pressing the Delete key does not have any effect.
> 	     My complaint in a nutshell.

a system I used often with success is to slip my hand on the keyboard 
during boot, to trigger a keyboard error, this very often send you to 
the Firmware (BIOS or UEFI).

Same on function keys, just in case the manual is wrong.

at least it should beep. If not may be the keyboard is broken

jdd

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#166019

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 06:35:36PM +0100, jdd wrote:
> Le 26/03/2016 17:11, Alan McConnell a écrit :
> 
> >      Press <Del> to run BIOS setup, or <F!!> to run boot menu
                                            ^^^
Weird ... I guess that is supposed to be F11, which makes me wonder 
is the shift key held down or what?

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

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#166021

On Monday 28 March 2016 10:35:11 chrisb@localhost.localdomain wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 06:35:36PM +0100, jdd wrote:
> > Le 26/03/2016 17:11, Alan McConnell a écrit :
> > >      Press <Del> to run BIOS setup, or <F!!> to run boot menu
>
>                                             ^^^
> Weird ... I guess that is supposed to be F11, which makes me wonder
> is the shift key held down or what?

Obviously.  Shift-1 gives !.  Presumably not on your keyboard.

Lisi

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#165990 — Re: Changing Boot Order (correction)

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 12:11 (UTC-0400):

>    	    I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe.  A white
> 	    cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at
> 	    the back of my standard case.

*If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side depending 
on your orientation, it's time to take another look at your motherboard's 
manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick Guide" or similar that depicts 
the rear view of the ports. You should see labels on the left end for the 
round PS/2 ports. The upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. 
The actual mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple. 
Operating systems may not care which port you plug a keyboard into, but the 
BIOS does. Most BIOS show an error message in POST if the keyboard is plugged 
into the *green* port, especially if you have a mouse plugged into the 
other/purple round port. What color is your motherboard's "top orifice"?
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

   Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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#165991

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 12:11 (UTC-0400):

>    	    I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe.  A white
> 	    cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at
> 	    the back of my standard case.

*If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side depending 
on your orientation, it's time to take another look at your motherboard's 
manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick Guide" or similar that depicts 
the rear view of the ports. You should see labels on the left end for the 
round PS/2 ports. The upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. 
The actual mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple. 
Operating systems may not care which port you plug a keyboard into, but the 
BIOS does. Most BIOS show an error message in POST if the keyboard is plugged 
into the purple port, especially if you have a mouse plugged into the other 
round port. What color is your motherboard's "top orifice"?
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#165995 — Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 01:53:17PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>
> *If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side
> depending on your orientation, it's time to take another look at
> your motherboard's manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick
> Guide" or similar that depicts the rear view of the ports. You
> should see labels on the left end for the round PS/2 ports. The
> upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. The actual
> mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple.
  	Yes.  My keyboard was plugged into the _green_ port.  (my
	mouse is elsewhere).  So I shut down, changed my keyboard
	cord to the purple port . . . Voila!  That did the
	trick.  I can now press F11 and Del and both work as
	the manual says they should.  Even the mouse, to my surprise,
	makes its appearance.

	Mr Miata(should I write Signor? or Senor?), many thanks!
	and I congratulate(and envy!) you for being so perceptive.

	And I thank all the rest of the debian-user membership
	for being patient with me, and also thanks to those of you
	who concerned youselves with this problem.  It seems to me
	that it wasn't an obvious problem given that so many
	erroneous suggestions were made.  I think it fortunate
	that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of
	Mr Mieta.

Best wishes,

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://globaltap.com/~alan/
      "It is a great advantage for a system of philosophy
      to be substantially true." (Sophia Loren)

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#165996 — Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!

Alan McConnell wrote:
...
>   	Yes.  My keyboard was plugged into the _green_ port.  (my
> 	mouse is elsewhere).  So I shut down, changed my keyboard
> 	cord to the purple port . . . Voila!  That did the
> 	trick.  I can now press F11 and Del and both work as
> 	the manual says they should.  Even the mouse, to my surprise,
> 	makes its appearance.
>
> 	Mr Miata(should I write Signor? or Senor?), many thanks!
> 	and I congratulate(and envy!) you for being so perceptive.
>
> 	And I thank all the rest of the debian-user membership
> 	for being patient with me, and also thanks to those of you
> 	who concerned youselves with this problem.  It seems to me
> 	that it wasn't an obvious problem given that so many
> 	erroneous suggestions were made.  I think it fortunate
> 	that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of
> 	Mr Mieta.

  great news!  glad you got it working.  :)


  songbird

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#166000 — Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 14:57 (UTC-0400):

>...I think it fortunate
> 	that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of...

Please, let's not think of me so much expert as experienced. I can't count 
the times I've fumbled a keyboard connector into the top port and found the 
BIOS yammering keyboard failure. If I was a true expert it wouldn't have 
taken me nearly two days to recognize you did the equivalent, or typed purple 
when my brain knew green before sending my first thread reply of the day.

As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers 
apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a 
keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to providing 
only one, or none.
-- 
Happiness is providing a solution for a baffling problem.
                                                         Me :-)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#166002 — Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!

On Saturday 26 March 2016 21:50:42 Felix Miata wrote:
> Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 14:57 (UTC-0400):
> >...I think it fortunate
> > 	that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of...
>
> Please, let's not think of me so much expert as experienced. I can't count
> the times I've fumbled a keyboard connector into the top port and found the
> BIOS yammering keyboard failure. If I was a true expert it wouldn't have
> taken me nearly two days to recognize you did the equivalent, or typed
> purple when my brain knew green before sending my first thread reply of the
> day.
>
> As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers
> apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a
> keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to
> providing only one, or none.

I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!!  I last put the mouse in 
the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, 
when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither 
worked in anything.  So it didn't really matter, one just switched them 
round.  Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it 
so easy.  It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 
connection will work at all!!  So you have taught me something too, Felix.  
(Not for the first time. :-)  )

Lisi

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#166004 — Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!

Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-03-26 22:44 (UTC):

> I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!!

I wasn't conscious of any such thing. Alan proved it does at least in Wheezy.

> I last put the mouse in
> the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded,
> when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither
> worked in anything.  So it didn't really matter, one just switched them
> round.  Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it
> so easy.

Not so easy for those of use stuck using keyboards 25 years or more old.
Everything newer either has Function keys in the wrong place for touch
typing[1], or screwball cursor pads[2]. 

> It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2
> connection will work at all!!

Me too!

[1] Function keys for touch typists shown here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northgate_Computers#/media/File:Omnikey102p3248.jpg
[2] "screwball" cursor pad
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Gatewayanykey.jpg/1280px-Gatewayanykey.jpg
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#166032 — Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!

On Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 22:44:36 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 26 March 2016 21:50:42 Felix Miata wrote:
> > As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers
> > apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a
> > keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to
> > providing only one, or none.
> 
> I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!!  I last put the mouse in 
> the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, 
> when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither 
> worked in anything.  So it didn't really matter, one just switched them 
> round.  Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it 
> so easy.  It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 
> connection will work at all!!

It all depends on the age of the motherboard. Another facility that's
been around for years is running both a mouse and keyboard through a
single PS/2 socket with a Y-connector.

Cheers,
David.

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#165992

On Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 12:11:22 (-0400), Alan McConnell wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > 
> > > boot order.  No matter what key I press, the system continues
> > > on with a re-boot of my old  wheezy. 
> > 
> > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ?
>   	    No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe.  A white
> 	    cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at
> 	    the back of my standard case.

Belief doesn't cut it. Nor does the colour. It would be more helpful
to know that the plug is circular and about 1cm in diameter.

If that is so, check whether there's a PS/2 mouse as well, and
that it's plugged into the correct socket. (There are drivers that can
cope with reversed mouse/keyboard, but not the BIOS.)

Even if it is, you might try it in the wrong socket.

> 	    I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard
> 	    is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one.  Since
> 	    my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now,
> 	    I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to
> 	    the inadequacy of my present keyboard.

Neither do I. That's not the point.

>  	     And there you have it.  The last line of the excerpt
> 	     is exacly the text that appears on my screen.  But
> 	     pressing the Delete key does not have any effect.
> 	     My complaint in a nutshell.
> 
> Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that
> appear on my boot screnn.  After severl iterations of
>        COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
> I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal.  I have done some
> googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a
> USB device.  I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer
> via a USB device.

I take it that you've removed this device before booting?

> I am taking up a lot of message time here.  But my question is a
> very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the
> BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present,
> or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in?

There are lots of experts here, I'm sure. However, there are better
places for posting your problem. At this stage, Debian is not
even involved.

(BTW trying to provoke an error by sitting something on the keyboard,
or indeed disconnecting it altogether, could be a useful diagnostic.)

Cheers,
David.

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#166010

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:
> I am taking up a lot of message time here.  But my question is a
> very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the
> BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present,
> or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in?

If your system uses UEFI and has EFI boot manager entries for CD/DVD
and USB, then you can manipulate the order with efibootmgr. Use
'efibootmgr -n' to change the boot order for the next boot only. I'm not
sure how to create a new entry for a device like a USB stick, though.

Petter

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#166253

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > 
> > > boot order.  No matter what key I press, the system continues
> > > on with a re-boot of my old  wheezy. 
> > 
> > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ?
>   	    No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe.  A white
> 	    cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at
> 	    the back of my standard case.
> 
> 	    I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard
> 	    is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one.  Since
> 	    my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now,
> 	    I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to
> 	    the inadequacy of my present keyboard.
> 
> 	    I have taken the trouble to have excerpted some lines
> 	    from the beginning of my MSI User Guide, Chapter 3.
> 	    (the first two chapters give copious details on how
> 	    to install the physical motherboard into the computer
> 	    case).  Here they are:
> (start)--------------------------
> 	BIOS Setup
> CLICK BIOS is a revolutionary EUFI that allows you to setup and
> configure your system for optimum use.  Using your mouse and
> keyboard, users can change BIOS settings, monitor CPU temperature,
> select the boot device priority, and view system information such
> as such as the CPU name, DRAM capacity, the OS version and the
> BIOS version.  Users can import and export data for backup or for
> sharing with friends.
> 
> 	Entering Setup
> The default settings offer the optimal performance for system
> stability in normal conditions. . . . .
> 
> 	Entering BIOS Setup
> Power on the computer and the computer will enter the Power On
> Self Test(POST) process.  When the message below appears on the
> screen, press Delete key to enter BIOS:
> 
>      Press <Del> to run BIOS setup, or <F!!> to run boot menu
> 
>                                  ------------------------(finish)
>  	     And there you have it.  The last line of the excerpt
> 	     is exacly the text that appears on my screen.  But
> 	     pressing the Delete key does not have any effect.
> 	     My complaint in a nutshell.
> 
> Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that
> appear on my boot screnn.  After severl iterations of
>        COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
> I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal.  I have done some
> googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a
> USB device.  I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer
> via a USB device.
> 
> I am taking up a lot of message time here.  But my question is a
> very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the
> BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present,
> or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in?
> 
> TIA for anticipated help!
> 
> Alan
> 

On my current computer, you can't just press F2 once- you have to mash it to get anything to happen. Try that.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > 
> > > boot order.  No matter what key I press, the system continues
> > > on with a re-boot of my old  wheezy. 
> > 
> > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ?
>   	    No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe.  A white
> 	    cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at
> 	    the back of my standard case.
> 
> 	    I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard
> 	    is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one.  Since
> 	    my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now,
> 	    I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to
> 	    the inadequacy of my present keyboard.
> 
> 	    I have taken the trouble to have excerpted some lines
> 	    from the beginning of my MSI User Guide, Chapter 3.
> 	    (the first two chapters give copious details on how
> 	    to install the physical motherboard into the computer
> 	    case).  Here they are:
> (start)--------------------------
> 	BIOS Setup
> CLICK BIOS is a revolutionary EUFI that allows you to setup and
> configure your system for optimum use.  Using your mouse and
> keyboard, users can change BIOS settings, monitor CPU temperature,
> select the boot device priority, and view system information such
> as such as the CPU name, DRAM capacity, the OS version and the
> BIOS version.  Users can import and export data for backup or for
> sharing with friends.
> 
> 	Entering Setup
> The default settings offer the optimal performance for system
> stability in normal conditions. . . . .
> 
> 	Entering BIOS Setup
> Power on the computer and the computer will enter the Power On
> Self Test(POST) process.  When the message below appears on the
> screen, press Delete key to enter BIOS:
> 
>      Press <Del> to run BIOS setup, or <F!!> to run boot menu
> 
>                                  ------------------------(finish)
>  	     And there you have it.  The last line of the excerpt
> 	     is exacly the text that appears on my screen.  But
> 	     pressing the Delete key does not have any effect.
> 	     My complaint in a nutshell.
> 
> Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that
> appear on my boot screnn.  After severl iterations of
>        COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
> I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal.  I have done some
> googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a
> USB device.  I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer
> via a USB device.
> 
> I am taking up a lot of message time here.  But my question is a
> very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the
> BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present,
> or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in?

You may simply not be pressing the Delete key *enough* (these things can be iffy at times). Try turning on the computer and mashing Delete as fast as possible. If that doesn't work, try *holding down* Delete. If that doesn't work, try repeatedly pressing Delete at a rate somewhere in between the two. If that *still* doesn't work, try every key you can think of in different combinations (slow, fast, etc.). A few to try- F2, Esc, F8, F11, and all the other Fs.

Just play around with the keys until something happens. It can be something of a mystifying, Deep Magic and Wizardry experience.

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