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  ssd firmware and power cycles etc Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:30 +0100
    Re: ssd firmware and power cycles etc Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2016-03-17 21:50 +0100
      Re: ssd firmware and power cycles etc Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-17 22:00 +0100
        Re: ssd firmware and power cycles etc Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> - 2016-03-17 22:30 +0100
        Re: ssd firmware and power cycles etc Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-19 14:50 +0100
    Re: ssd firmware and power cycles etc David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-03-17 22:30 +0100

#165557 — ssd firmware and power cycles etc

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Dear Folks,

I had a problem with a power supply that kept cutting out after about 40
minutes or so.

I was running debian stretch reasonably OK from a PNY optima ssd on an FX
8350 cpu running on a sabertooth fx 990 2.0 board with a engt 430 graphics
card.

The original psu was a Zalman zm 1250 which I replaced with a smaller psu
that runs OK.

The SSD is no longer recognised by the bios.

There is some voodoo on the web about using power cycles and firmware to
resurrect the ssd drives.

Does this work in practice or should I get a replacement ssd?


Regards

Michael Fothergill

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#165558

Hey Michael,

It depends if you believe in the voodoo.
In general once a SSD drive actually fails there is not much you can do 
as long as you don't know what the chip does exactly.
If you have important data on it then in most cases the suggestion is to 
have a HDD as a backup device so you won't need to find out what happens 
IF..

Eliezer

On 17/03/2016 22:25, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Folks,
>
> I had a problem with a power supply that kept cutting out after about 40
> minutes or so.
>
> I was running debian stretch reasonably OK from a PNY optima ssd on an
> FX 8350 cpu running on a sabertooth fx 990 2.0 board with a engt 430
> graphics card.
>
> The original psu was a Zalman zm 1250 which I replaced with a smaller
> psu that runs OK.
>
> The SSD is no longer recognised by the bios.
>
> There is some voodoo on the web about using power cycles and firmware to
> resurrect the ssd drives.
>
> Does this work in practice or should I get a replacement ssd?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Fothergill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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#165559

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On 17 March 2016 at 20:33, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> wrote:

> Hey Michael,
>
> It depends if you believe in the voodoo.
>

​The incantation is here:

forum.crucial.com/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/ssd@tkb/article-id/32

and there are discussions like this one as well:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169124-the-mysteriously-disappearing-drive-are-power-outages-killing-your-ssds
​

I will try this a bit and if it doesn't work then I will accept that all my
cheap and nasty pen drives work fine and are bootable but the fancy new SSD
is dead.......

I will stick with hard drives.

Regards

MF



> In general once a SSD drive actually fails there is not much you can do as
> long as you don't know what the chip does exactly.
> If you have important data on it then in most cases the suggestion is to
> have a HDD as a backup device so you won't need to find out what happens
> IF..
>
> Eliezer
>
>
>
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#165560

Don't get me wrong.

I am using both SSD and HDD and some failed(hdd) and I know that most of 
the issues was due to some nasty software that makes them run in async 
"dancing" and then well.. they eventually fail very very hard.
But if the OS can send and the HDD can decide on the right move it's 
another story and then you can see that the disks just takes ages to fail.

Eliezer

On 17/03/2016 22:59, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
> On 17 March 2016 at 20:33, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il
> <mailto:eliezer@ngtech.co.il>> wrote:
>
>     Hey Michael,
>
>     It depends if you believe in the voodoo.
>
>
> ​The incantation is here:
>
> forum.crucial.com/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/ssd@tkb/article-id/32
> <http://forum.crucial.com/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/ssd@tkb/article-id/32>
>
> and there are discussions like this one as well:
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169124-the-mysteriously-disappearing-drive-are-power-outages-killing-your-ssds
> ​
>
> I will try this a bit and if it doesn't work then I will accept that all
> my cheap and nasty pen drives work fine and are bootable but the fancy
> new SSD is dead.......
>
> I will stick with hard drives.
>
> Regards
>
> MF

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#165622

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On 18/03/2016 7:59 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> I will stick with hard drives.

Any kind of flash drive can die with little or no notice.

However, that article was way back in 2013 ... there have been loads of
improvements since then.

Current Samsung 850 Pro units in AU have a 10 year warranty.  And you
don't get that kind of warranty on something that will easily fail.

Spinning rust has it's place, for sure, but so too does SSD and if an
SSD is oldish, then it wouldn't hurt to replace it now; the cost of SSDs
is way down on 2013 and will come down further still.

Cheers
AndrewM

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#165561

On 03/17/2016 01:25 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Folks,
>
> I had a problem with a power supply that kept cutting out after about
> 40 minutes or so.
>
> I was running debian stretch reasonably OK from a PNY optima ssd on
> an FX 8350 cpu running on a sabertooth fx 990 2.0 board with a engt
> 430 graphics card.
>
> The original psu was a Zalman zm 1250 which I replaced with a smaller
> psu that runs OK.
>
> The SSD is no longer recognised by the bios.
>
> There is some voodoo on the web about using power cycles and firmware
> to resurrect the ssd drives.
>
> Does this work in practice or should I get a replacement ssd?


On 03/17/2016 01:59 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> The incantation is here:
>
> forum.crucial.com/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/ssd@tkb/article-id/32
>
>and there are discussions like this one as well:
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169124-the-mysteriously-disappearing-drive-are-power-outages-killing-your-ssds
 >
> I will try this a bit and if it doesn't work then I will accept that
> all my cheap and nasty pen drives work fine and are bootable but the
> fancy new SSD is dead.......
>
> I will stick with hard drives.

The problem could be the port, the cable, and/or the SSD.  You need 
another set of known good components to isolate the problem.  Hopefully, 
you don't have a failure mode that smokes whatever the component is 
connected to...


Is your SSD under warranty?  If so, I'd suggest contacting PNY technical 
support.  If not, try whatever voodoo you want.


I had a PNY video card years ago with a "Lifetime Warranty".  When it 
died (~2 years?), I contacted PNY and expected them to replace the card. 
  They replied that their definition of "Lifetime" was the time that the 
product was in production.  As that card was out of production, there 
was no warranty.  I have never bought or recommended PNY since.


I've owned and run a few Intel 520 Series SSD's for the past several 
years.  The SMART parameters indicate the drives are old, but the Intel 
SSD toolbox says the drives have virtually no wear.  I've never had a 
problem with them.


I've recently put some Samsung SSD's into service.  We'll see how they 
hold up.


David

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