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  flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 17:30 +0100
    Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 17:30 +0100
      Re: flash? Alex Mestiashvili <mailatgoogl@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 18:00 +0100
        Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:10 +0100
      Re: flash? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 18:50 +0100
        Re: flash? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:00 +0100
          Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:20 +0100
            Re: flash? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 22:40 +0100
              Re: flash? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 00:20 +0100
                Re: flash? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 00:50 +0100
            Re: flash? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 00:20 +0100
              Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-15 02:50 +0100
        Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:10 +0100
      Re: flash? Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-03-14 19:50 +0100
    Re: flash? [OT] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-03-14 19:10 +0100
      Re: flash? [OT] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:20 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-14 20:10 +0100
          Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:00 +0100
            Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
              Re: flash? [OT] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 03:50 +0100
                Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 04:50 +0100
                Re: flash? [OT] Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-15 05:00 +0100
                  Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 10:00 +0100
                    "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-15 11:40 +0100
                      Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 15:20 +0100
                        Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-15 16:00 +0100
                      Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 17:50 +0100
                        Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-16 01:50 +0100
                          Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 02:50 +0100
                    Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 21:00 +0100
                      Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 02:50 +0100
                        Re: flash? [OT] Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 14:00 +0100
                          Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 15:00 +0100
                            Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:20 +0100
                              Re: flash? [OT] Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:50 +0100
                                Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 17:30 +0100
                                  Re: flash? [OT] Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 23:40 +0100
                  Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 21:20 +0100
                Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:10 +0100
                  Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
                    Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 17:40 +0100
                      Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:50 +0100
                        Re: flash? [OT] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-03-17 19:10 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
      Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 21:20 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:30 +0100
          Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:00 +0100
            Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 00:00 +0100
              Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 05:00 +0100
      Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:40 +0100
          Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100

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#165546 — Re: flash? [OT]

On 03/17/2016 01:37 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:06:12 -0400 Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/14/2016 10:47 PM, David Wright wrote:
>>> On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 05:30:28 (+0300), Adam Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> They will notice when lots of people no longer use Flash, and we
>>>> will force them to react accordingly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please stop trolling on this list.
>>>
>>
>> I don't see it as trolling when he spake the truth. It's sweet to no
>> longer need flash blocker. I ripped it out like a screaming Hogwarts
>> Mandrake root after removing the flash plugin. I do still have flash
>> installed for video files, but not for my browser. Ric
>
> I have gnash in case I ever need to play a swf (which is rarely).

Last time I  tried it my YouTube videos refused to play. If it will work 
now, then I can be flash-free, Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#165548 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:39:11 -0400 Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 03/17/2016 01:37 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:06:12 -0400 Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 03/14/2016 10:47 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >>> On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 05:30:28 (+0300), Adam Wilson wrote:
> >>
> >>>> They will notice when lots of people no longer use Flash, and we
> >>>> will force them to react accordingly.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Please stop trolling on this list.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't see it as trolling when he spake the truth. It's sweet to
> >> no longer need flash blocker. I ripped it out like a screaming
> >> Hogwarts Mandrake root after removing the flash plugin. I do still
> >> have flash installed for video files, but not for my browser. Ric
> >
> > I have gnash in case I ever need to play a swf (which is rarely).
> 
> Last time I  tried it my YouTube videos refused to play. If it will
> work now, then I can be flash-free, Ric

YouTube doesn't need Flash at all anymore. All you need is a reasonably
modern browser, for which Iceweasel does the trick.

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#165554 — Re: flash? [OT]

On 2016-03-17, Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Last time I  tried it my YouTube videos refused to play. If it will
>> work now, then I can be flash-free, Ric
>
> YouTube doesn't need Flash at all anymore. All you need is a reasonably
> modern browser, for which Iceweasel does the trick.
>

That's right; I've disabled flash and am served HTML5 in Firefox 45
(release version from Wheezy backports) on YouTube. On Squeeze I didn't
have sound with my HTML5 video, which diminished the appeal of the
latter somewhat, but since my recent upgrade to Wheezy (cough, my wife's
asthmatic) the pulse audio applet provided by my new-fangled Gnome 3
(which DE I like BTW, glad I didn't listen to all the naysayers
who nearly inspired me to expunge Gnome 2 before upgrading) allowed me
to resolve the problem easy as pie.

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#165396 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:13:05 -0400 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
wrote:

> On Monday 14 March 2016 14:06:27 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
> > IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> > HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> > And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > jvp.
> 
> 100% in agreement, but the major mainsleaze news site seem to be
> stuck with it.

Why the obsession with the mainsleaze news websites then? There are
plenty of ways to get news on the internet without having to watch BBC
video clips with Flash.

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#165384 — Re: flash? [OT]

On 03/14/2016 02:06 PM, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.

To the OP, Gene, I just got rid of flash plugin totally. So far no pain. 
:) Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#165386 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 16:14:11 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:

> On 03/14/2016 02:06 PM, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> >HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> >And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
> 
> To the OP, Gene, I just got rid of flash plugin totally. So far no pain. :)

This is a mailing list. Communicaions to it are intended for *all* its
subscribers. Please confine private mails to the recipients address
only.

Nevertheless, we are very happy for you. :)

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#165440 — Re: flash? [OT]

On 03/14/2016 04:24 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 16:14:11 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>
>> On 03/14/2016 02:06 PM, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
>>> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
>>> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
>>> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
>>
>> To the OP, Gene, I just got rid of flash plugin totally. So far no pain. :)
>
> This is a mailing list. Communicaions to it are intended for *all* its
> subscribers. Please confine private mails to the recipients address
> only.
>
> Nevertheless, we are very happy for you. :)
I'm happy as a clam that you are happy. :)
First, no diddly this is a mailing list.
Second, I wanted to publicly reply to Gene the OP, as opposed to Jorg, 
that so far my needs have been met without the flash plugin for the 
benefit of all. I'm a very altruistic guy.  Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#165447 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 16:59:03 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:

> On 03/14/2016 04:24 PM, Brian wrote:
> >On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 16:14:11 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> >
> >>On 03/14/2016 02:06 PM, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >>>IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> >>>HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> >>>And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
> >>
> >>To the OP, Gene, I just got rid of flash plugin totally. So far no pain. :)
> >
> >This is a mailing list. Communicaions to it are intended for *all* its
> >subscribers. Please confine private mails to the recipients address
> >only.
> >
> >Nevertheless, we are very happy for you. :)
> I'm happy as a clam that you are happy. :)
> First, no diddly this is a mailing list.
> Second, I wanted to publicly reply to Gene the OP, as opposed to Jorg, that
> so far my needs have been met without the flash plugin for the benefit of

Ah, I see. Responding to to the points in Jorg's mail wasn't worth the
effort.

> all. I'm a very altruistic guy.  Ric

Your private life is your own.

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#165456 — Re: flash? [OT]

On 03/15/2016 06:56 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 16:59:03 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>
>> On 03/14/2016 04:24 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 16:14:11 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/14/2016 02:06 PM, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
>>>>> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
>>>>> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
>>>>> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>> To the OP, Gene, I just got rid of flash plugin totally. So far no pain. :)
>>>
>>> This is a mailing list. Communicaions to it are intended for *all* its
>>> subscribers. Please confine private mails to the recipients address
>>> only.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, we are very happy for you. :)
>> I'm happy as a clam that you are happy. :)
>> First, no diddly this is a mailing list.
>> Second, I wanted to publicly reply to Gene the OP, as opposed to Jorg, that
>> so far my needs have been met without the flash plugin for the benefit of
>
> Ah, I see. Responding to to the points in Jorg's mail wasn't worth the
> effort.

Gene and I go back at least 10 years, and I merely re-enforced
jorg's opinion, and the opinion of others who have replied in like 
fashion. But, it's only been recently that I could live without a flash 
enabled browser though.
>
>> all. I'm a very altruistic guy.  Ric
>
> Your private life is your own.

My private life has been enviable. I was sued by Steve Jobs and his 
minions, befriended Mad Dog and was interviewed in Esquire as one of 
America's biggest software pirates in the 80's ...back in the Apple ]{ 
days. Heh, back then we MADE software free. Then I died for 20 minutes 
last year, yet like Gene I'm still here. Life is good! <cackles> Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#165397 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 19:06:27 +0100 Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
wrote:

> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.

Exactly. I don't use Flash, but somehow the world hasn't collapsed
around me yet, and (*gasp*) I am still able to get my news. [1]

[1] Listening to BBC World Service on that oldfangled device (the
radio), reading The Real News, Democracy Now!, the Independent,
libcom.org, reddit.com/r/news, reddit.com/r/worldnews, reddit in
general, indymedia. It's not hard. There are so many sources for news.

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#165408 — Re: flash? [OT]

Adam Wilson wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 19:06:27 +0100 Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
>> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> 
> Exactly. I don't use Flash, but somehow the world hasn't collapsed
> around me yet, and (*gasp*) I am still able to get my news. [1]
> 
> [1] Listening to BBC World Service on that oldfangled device (the
> radio), reading The Real News, Democracy Now!, the Independent,
> libcom.org, reddit.com/r/news, reddit.com/r/worldnews, reddit in
> general, indymedia. It's not hard. There are so many sources for news.

Haha,
funny story guys. IMHO the problem is not with us. There are a lot of 
people who don't care and will not stop using flash or whatever.
So we will not watching news, but flash will not die so fast.

Respect for your position though - I like you even more :D

Perhaps we need to introduce "likes" (jokingly)

regards

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#165541 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 08:29:54 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Adam Wilson wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 19:06:27 +0100 Jörg-Volker Peetz
> > <jvpeetz@web.de> wrote:
> > 
> >> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> >> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> > 
> > Exactly. I don't use Flash, but somehow the world hasn't collapsed
> > around me yet, and (*gasp*) I am still able to get my news. [1]
> > 
> > [1] Listening to BBC World Service on that oldfangled device (the
> > radio), reading The Real News, Democracy Now!, the Independent,
> > libcom.org, reddit.com/r/news, reddit.com/r/worldnews, reddit in
> > general, indymedia. It's not hard. There are so many sources for
> > news.
> 
> Haha,
> funny story guys. IMHO the problem is not with us. There are a lot of 
> people who don't care and will not stop using flash or whatever.
> So we will not watching news, but flash will not die so fast.
> 
> Respect for your position though - I like you even more :D
> 
> Perhaps we need to introduce "likes" (jokingly)

Hmm. "Likes" are pretty much useless without "Dislikes"- which would
basically net us a Reddit upvote/downvote system. Now we all know how
prone to abuse that is ;)

Far better to just let disagreements battle themselves out on the list
itself rather than through downvote numbers...

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