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  off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-09 03:40 +0200
    Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-09 06:50 +0200
      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-07-09 23:30 +0200
        Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 00:30 +0200
    Re: off topic Question of the day.. Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-07-09 09:00 +0200
      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-09 14:00 +0200
        Re: off topic Question of the day.. Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-07-10 00:40 +0200
          Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 01:20 +0200
            Re: off topic Question of the day.. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-10 04:00 +0200
              Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 06:20 +0200
                Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 15:10 +0200
                  Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 20:10 +0200
                    Re: off topic Question of the day.. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-07-10 20:30 +0200
                      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 20:50 +0200
                        Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 21:10 +0200
                          Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-11 00:30 +0200
                            Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-11 02:40 +0200
                              Re: off topic Question of the day.. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-11 03:30 +0200
                                Re: off topic Question of the day.. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-07-11 05:30 +0200
                                  Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-11 06:10 +0200
                                    Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:20 +0200
                                      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-11 13:50 +0200
                                  Re: off topic Question of the day.. Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> - 2016-07-14 18:30 +0200
                                    Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-16 04:00 +0200
                                    Re: off topic Question of the day.. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-07-16 05:50 +0200
                                      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 11:00 +0200
                                        Re: off topic Question of the day.. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-07-16 13:40 +0200
                                        Re: off topic Question of the day.. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-07-16 14:30 +0200
                                          Re: off topic Question of the day.. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-07-16 15:00 +0200
                                          Re: off topic Question of the day.. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-07-16 15:50 +0200
                                            Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 21:10 +0200
                                            Re: off topic Question of the day.. Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2016-07-17 10:00 +0200
                                          Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 21:00 +0200
                                      Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-17 02:40 +0200
                                        Re: off topic Question of the day.. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-07-17 02:50 +0200
                                          Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-17 07:40 +0200
                                Straying further OT, Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-11 05:50 +0200
                Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 21:00 +0200
                  Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-11 00:30 +0200
                    Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 00:50 +0200
                      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-11 01:00 +0200
                Re: off topic Question of the day.. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 23:30 +0200
                  Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-11 01:00 +0200
                    Re: off topic Question of the day.. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 01:00 +0200
            Re: off topic Question of the day.. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-07-10 10:50 +0200
              Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 14:20 +0200
                Re: off topic Question of the day.. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-07-10 16:10 +0200
    Re: off topic Question of the day.. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 12:40 +0200
      Re: off topic Question of the day.. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-07-10 19:40 +0200
        Re: off topic Question of the day.. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 20:40 +0200
        Re: paper sizes (was: off topic Question of the day..) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-10 23:50 +0200

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#169903 — off topic Question of the day..

Greetings all;

I bought, about a month ago, a big Brother MFC, proclaimed that it could 
do 11x17 prints when single sheet fed from the slot in the rear.

Its a Brother MFC-J6920DW.
So having a rockhopper output file that has been exported as a pdf by 
inkscape, I ordered up a ream of 11x17 28lb paper from wallies.

But I'll be switched if I can find a setting anyplace that will make it 
use a sheet of it fed thru the rear slot/door.

Anybody here got the magic incantation to keep it from shrinking the 
image to unusability on the paper in the two front trays?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169905

On Friday 08 July 2016 21:35:30 Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> I bought, about a month ago, a big Brother MFC, proclaimed that it
> could do 11x17 prints when single sheet fed from the slot in the rear.
>
> Its a Brother MFC-J6920DW.
> So having a rockhopper output file that has been exported as a pdf by
> inkscape, I ordered up a ream of 11x17 28lb paper from wallies.
>
> But I'll be switched if I can find a setting anyplace that will make
> it use a sheet of it fed thru the rear slot/door.
>
> Anybody here got the magic incantation to keep it from shrinking the
> image to unusability on the paper in the two front trays?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Call in the St. Bernards, I found it. With the pdf loaded into evince I 
was able to set "current page" in its printer dialog, then it called the 
system gizmo, and on the 2nd tab was a paper selection pulldown that had 
the 11x17 selection available. And darned if it didn't work!  Biggest 
problem was getting the paper started straight enough.  Very poor and 
downright flimsy guidance hardware for the rear big sheet/odd size input 
port.

Job done and now I know how. ;-)


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169921

On 07/08/2016 11:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 08 July 2016 21:35:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>> Greetings all;
>>
>> I bought, about a month ago, a big Brother MFC, proclaimed that it
>> could do 11x17 prints when single sheet fed from the slot in the rear.
>>
>> Its a Brother MFC-J6920DW.
>> So having a rockhopper output file that has been exported as a pdf by
>> inkscape, I ordered up a ream of 11x17 28lb paper from wallies.
>>
>> But I'll be switched if I can find a setting anyplace that will make
>> it use a sheet of it fed thru the rear slot/door.
>>
>> Anybody here got the magic incantation to keep it from shrinking the
>> image to unusability on the paper in the two front trays?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
Slightly OT: Do you have an 11 x 17 scanner? If wo, what kind?

--doug
> Call in the St. Bernards, I found it. With the pdf loaded into evince I
> was able to set "current page" in its printer dialog, then it called the
> system gizmo, and on the 2nd tab was a paper selection pulldown that had
> the 11x17 selection available. And darned if it didn't work!  Biggest
> problem was getting the paper started straight enough.  Very poor and
> downright flimsy guidance hardware for the rear big sheet/odd size input
> port.
>
> Job done and now I know how. ;-)
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

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#169924

On Saturday 09 July 2016 18:28:27 Doug wrote:

> On 07/08/2016 11:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 08 July 2016 21:35:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> Greetings all;
> >>
> >> I bought, about a month ago, a big Brother MFC, proclaimed that it
> >> could do 11x17 prints when single sheet fed from the slot in the
> >> rear.
> >>
> >> Its a Brother MFC-J6920DW.
> >> So having a rockhopper output file that has been exported as a pdf
> >> by inkscape, I ordered up a ream of 11x17 28lb paper from wallies.
> >>
> >> But I'll be switched if I can find a setting anyplace that will
> >> make it use a sheet of it fed thru the rear slot/door.
> >>
> >> Anybody here got the magic incantation to keep it from shrinking
> >> the image to unusability on the paper in the two front trays?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Slightly OT: Do you have an 11 x 17 scanner? If wo, what kind?

Yes, with an ADF too, on top of the printer.  Works well too.
>
> --doug
>
> > Call in the St. Bernards, I found it. With the pdf loaded into
> > evince I was able to set "current page" in its printer dialog, then
> > it called the system gizmo, and on the 2nd tab was a paper selection
> > pulldown that had the 11x17 selection available. And darned if it
> > didn't work!  Biggest problem was getting the paper started straight
> > enough.  Very poor and downright flimsy guidance hardware for the
> > rear big sheet/odd size input port.
> >
> > Job done and now I know how. ;-)
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169906

With cups-client all printer specific options can be listed with

  lpoptions -l

To select a specific printer add '-p <destination>'. See 'man lpoptions' or
http://localhost:631/help .

Regards,
jvp.

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#169908

On Saturday 09 July 2016 02:56:38 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> With cups-client all printer specific options can be listed with
>
>   lpoptions -l
>
> To select a specific printer add '-p <destination>'. See 'man
> lpoptions' or http://localhost:631/help .
>
> Regards,
> jvp.

Thats informative, but the printers rear input door, which doesn't open 
far enough to make reading its markings embossed in black plastic easily 
readable, and is marked in similar labeling as the output of 
lpoptions -l shows.  So, what label A4, A3, ledger etc is actually 
11x17?  In the last 20 years, here in the US,  paper sizes other than 
letter have become special order only. One of the reasons I bought this 
printer was its large size capability greatly simplify's this particular 
modern machine shop need, although I am less than impressed with its 
paper guidance facility. It seriously needs a longer input tray than the 
teeny little 2" door it has.

Because the cross-coupled guides on this door are only about 1/8" high, I 
was forced to fix them in position with scotch-tape because they move so 
easily. And I may yet build a longer table for it, with additional 
guides to help align the sheet during the insertion process.  OTOH, a 
500 sheet ream will be more than a lifetime supply. :)  And I'll have to 
make a box to hold this paper, and mount it else the corners will be 
damaged as its moved around here in this midden heap called the 
coyote.den.  But that's my problem isn't it? :-)

Many Thanks.  When nearly everything now has a gui, one tends to forget 
the command line attack.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169925

Gene Heskett wrote on 07/09/16 13:55:
<snip>

> lpoptions -l shows.  So, what label A4, A3, ledger etc is actually 
> 11x17?  In the last 20 years, here in the US,  paper sizes other than 

Is Tabloid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size#North_American_paper_sizes
) in the list?

Regards,
jvp.

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#169927

On Saturday 09 July 2016 18:30:24 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote on 07/09/16 13:55:
> <snip>
>
> > lpoptions -l shows.  So, what label A4, A3, ledger etc is actually
> > 11x17?  In the last 20 years, here in the US,  paper sizes other
> > than
>
> Is Tabloid
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size#North_American_paper_sizes )
> in the list?

I believe it is. Checking, yes. If that is the correct size, and its 
truly borderless when selected as "tabloid(borderless)", if the paper 
guidance can be improved, that would be ideal as when I trimmed it up 
and put it on a big sheet of light plywood this morning, I was trimming 
about 1/2" from all 4 edges on average.  And it was set for 
"A3(borderless)" at the time.  What size in our antiquated inch system is 
A3?

I have too many projects underway. Waiting on some mahogany that won't 
warp like crazy when the Saran wrap comes off for starters.  And I am 
just beginning to make all the pieces to CNC an old Sheldon 11x36 metal 
lathe.  I had some wall reinforcement installed along with improved 
drainage in the basement, so everthing is piled in the middle of the 
floor while I get around to putting additional insulation on the walls 
before I move all the shelving and contents back to a reasonable 
facsimile of where they were. With my bad back, thats going to be slow 
as I engineer how to move stuff thats beyond my ability to pick up and 
carry, some of which will go out a 2 by 3 window about 5'6" up and into 
a trash trailer.  And someplace in the middle of all that is a full 
sized pool table I'd like to use again. If I can bend over far enough to 
run a cue stick.

> Regards,
> jvp.

Thanks JVP.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169928

On Saturday, July 09, 2016 07:14:24 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> I believe it is. Checking, yes. If that is the correct size, and its
> truly borderless when selected as "tabloid(borderless)", if the paper
> guidance can be improved, that would be ideal as when I trimmed it up
> and put it on a big sheet of light plywood this morning, I was trimming
> about 1/2" from all 4 edges on average.  And it was set for
> "A3(borderless)" at the time.  What size in our antiquated inch system is
> A3?

A3 is what I consider a metric size (well, it is an ISO standard)--in inches 
it is 11.7 x 16.5 in.

If the only choices on that printer feed door are in the A series of sizes, 
that may explain why the feed doesn't work to align the paper properly.

I'd start by trimming one sheet of 11x17 paper to 11x16.5 and see if that 
feeds better.

I don't know how easy it is to buy A series paper in the US.

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#169930

On Saturday 09 July 2016 21:51:52 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, July 09, 2016 07:14:24 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I believe it is. Checking, yes. If that is the correct size, and its
> > truly borderless when selected as "tabloid(borderless)", if the
> > paper guidance can be improved, that would be ideal as when I
> > trimmed it up and put it on a big sheet of light plywood this
> > morning, I was trimming about 1/2" from all 4 edges on average.  And
> > it was set for "A3(borderless)" at the time.  What size in our
> > antiquated inch system is A3?
>
> A3 is what I consider a metric size (well, it is an ISO standard)--in
> inches it is 11.7 x 16.5 in.
>
Humm, wider but shorter.

> If the only choices on that printer feed door are in the A series of
> sizes, that may explain why the feed doesn't work to align the paper
> properly.

I was just trying to set the guides, such as they are, to fit the width 
of the paper, but had to tape then down to hold them as it takes only a 
gram or maybe two to move them, so they slide equal amounts in both 
directions the instant a sheet of paper touches them.  Useless design 
other than the auto center the cross coupling enforces if you tape it 
down so it cannot move.

> I'd start by trimming one sheet of 11x17 paper to 11x16.5 and see if
> that feeds better.
>
> I don't know how easy it is to buy A series paper in the US.

It feeds the short edge in first, unlike the paper trays, both of which 
can be set for several different sizes, but they both feed long edge 
first. So once its been grabbed, there is still about 14.25 inches of 
paper hanging out in empty space with zero guidance because the curl of 
the paper as it passes over the top edge of this "door", lifts the paper 
a good 1/4" above and totally free of the guides. Most worthless design 
I have ever seen.  Paper centering and feed alignment are completely at 
the mercy of the human trying to insert the paper centered and square. 
And I do not believe that if a sheet of Lexan was added to extend the 
paper support for at least 8", and it was screwed to the plastic of the 
door, the stoppers incorporated into the plastic hinges would actually
survive a sheet of tagboard laying on it, combined with the weight of the 
Lexan, too heavy.  A sheet of 28 lb copy paper is ok, but not a hand 
laying on it.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169943

On Sunday 10 July 2016 05:09:34 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I don't know how easy it is to buy A series paper in the US

Gene, you haven't answered this.  I would say, about as easy as these pesky 
non-memorable American sizes are to buy over here!!

Lisi

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#169955

On Sunday 10 July 2016 09:09:24 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 10 July 2016 05:09:34 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I don't know how easy it is to buy A series paper in the US
>
> Gene, you haven't answered this.  I would say, about as easy as these
> pesky non-memorable American sizes are to buy over here!!
>
> Lisi

Anything but letter, or maybe legal, is special order on this side of the 
pond. We get used to it eventually.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169956

Gene writes:
> Anything but letter, or maybe legal, is special order on this side of
> the pond.

Lots of outfits such as OfficeMax claim to stock A3.
http://www.a4supplies.com/ claims to have everthing A size.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#169958

On Sunday 10 July 2016 14:26:01 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > Anything but letter, or maybe legal, is special order on this side
> > of the pond.
>
> Lots of outfits such as OfficeMax claim to stock A3.
> http://www.a4supplies.com/ claims to have everthing A size.

 Uh huh, and thats special order for me in small county seat town West 
Virginia. :) Pick up at the local wally's store for a few cents north of 
$19 for a 500 sheet ream of fairly smooth paper Is hard to beat.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169960

On Sunday 10 July 2016 19:47:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 10 July 2016 14:26:01 John Hasler wrote:
> > Gene writes:
> > > Anything but letter, or maybe legal, is special order on this side
> > > of the pond.
> >
> > Lots of outfits such as OfficeMax claim to stock A3.
> > http://www.a4supplies.com/ claims to have everthing A size.
>
>  Uh huh, and thats special order for me in small county seat town West
> Virginia. :) Pick up at the local wally's store for a few cents north of
> $19 for a 500 sheet ream of fairly smooth paper Is hard to beat.


This is what I mean by special order - look at the prices. :-/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=tabloid+sized+printer+paper&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atabloid+sized+printer+paper

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=A4+printer+paper&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AA4+printer+paper

The only Wally's I could find was a delicatessen.  Do you mean Walmart?

Lisi

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#169967

On Sunday 10 July 2016 15:01:42 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 10 July 2016 19:47:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 July 2016 14:26:01 John Hasler wrote:
> > > Gene writes:
> > > > Anything but letter, or maybe legal, is special order on this
> > > > side of the pond.
> > >
> > > Lots of outfits such as OfficeMax claim to stock A3.
> > > http://www.a4supplies.com/ claims to have everthing A size.
> >
> >  Uh huh, and thats special order for me in small county seat town
> > West Virginia. :) Pick up at the local wally's store for a few cents
> > north of $19 for a 500 sheet ream of fairly smooth paper Is hard to
> > beat.
>
> This is what I mean by special order - look at the prices. :-/
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field
>-keywords=tabloid+sized+printer+paper&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atabloid+sized+pr
>inter+paper
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&fie
>ld-keywords=A4+printer+paper&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AA4+printer+paper

Pounds to dollars, thats 3x what I just paid for 28 lb well finished copy 
paper.  Those folks must think you Brits all have your own money tree?

> The only Wally's I could find was a delicatessen.  Do you mean
> Walmart?

Yes'm.  Thats the place. :)

> Lisi


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#169973

I'm finding this excahnge harder and harder to follow...

On Sun 10 Jul 2016 at 18:28:31 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 10 July 2016 15:01:42 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 July 2016 19:47:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 10 July 2016 14:26:01 John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Gene writes:
> > > > > Anything but letter, or maybe legal, is special order on this
> > > > > side of the pond.

I understand that, if you live in a small town.

> > > > Lots of outfits such as OfficeMax claim to stock A3.
> > > > http://www.a4supplies.com/ claims to have everthing A size.

At $58-72/ream (20-28lbs), that's a lot more than 11x17 at, say,
Staples: $18-19/ream (20), $60-88/5reams (20-24).

> > >  Uh huh, and thats special order for me in small county seat town
> > > West Virginia. :) Pick up at the local wally's store for a few cents
> > > north of $19 for a 500 sheet ream of fairly smooth paper Is hard to
> > > beat.

That's a good price for 28lbs paper if that's what it is.

> > This is what I mean by special order - look at the prices. :-/
> >
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field
> >-keywords=tabloid+sized+printer+paper&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atabloid+sized+pr
> >inter+paper
> >
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&fie
> >ld-keywords=A4+printer+paper&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AA4+printer+paper
> 
> Pounds to dollars, thats 3x what I just paid for 28 lb well finished copy 
> paper.  Those folks must think you Brits all have your own money tree?

But you'd have to be crazy buying ledger rather than A3 in the UK.

BTW I do find American paper weights about as obfuscated as anything.
I think you need to serve an apprenticeship in printing to have a clue.
There'a website http://okpaper.com/calculators/lbs-to-gsm that claims
to do the conversion. Type in 20 lbs and it spits out
GSM text 29.6
GSM cover 54.16
They're not seriously telling me that the standard US paper weight
(20lbs) comes out at those gsm values. 80gsm is standard, and if you
buy 70gsm at cheap stores, there's a fair chance it'll misfeed in the
printer. 60gsm comes in writing tablets and would be hopeless in any
machine. (I haven't a clue what "text" and "cover" mean.)
Of course, the fundamental problem with the American system is 20 lbs
of what? Yes, paper; but how much?

Cheers,
David.

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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 08:33:37 PM David Wright wrote:
> BTW I do find American paper weights about as obfuscated as anything.
> I think you need to serve an apprenticeship in printing to have a clue.
> There'a website http://okpaper.com/calculators/lbs-to-gsm that claims
> to do the conversion. Type in 20 lbs and it spits out
> GSM text 29.6
> GSM cover 54.16
> They're not seriously telling me that the standard US paper weight
> (20lbs) comes out at those gsm values. 80gsm is standard, and if you
> buy 70gsm at cheap stores, there's a fair chance it'll misfeed in the
> printer. 60gsm comes in writing tablets and would be hopeless in any
> machine. (I haven't a clue what "text" and "cover" mean.)
> Of course, the fundamental problem with the American system is 20 lbs
> of what? Yes, paper; but how much?

From a quick google search:

<quote>
What does 20 lb paper mean? | Yahoo Answers
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid...
Jun 4, 2008 - Best Answer: "Paper weight refers to the weight of a 500-sheet 
ream of 17" x 22" paper. Each of these sheets is equivalent to four letter 
size ...
</quote>

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On 07/10/2016 09:20 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2016 08:33:37 PM David Wright wrote:
>
> > BTW I do find American paper weights about as obfuscated as anything.
>
> > I think you need to serve an apprenticeship in printing to have a clue.
>
> > There'a website http://okpaper.com/calculators/lbs-to-gsm that claims
>
> > to do the conversion. Type in 20 lbs and it spits out
>
> > GSM text 29.6
>
> > GSM cover 54.16
>
> > They're not seriously telling me that the standard US paper weight
>
> > (20lbs) comes out at those gsm values. 80gsm is standard, and if you
>
> > buy 70gsm at cheap stores, there's a fair chance it'll misfeed in the
>
> > printer. 60gsm comes in writing tablets and would be hopeless in any
>
> > machine. (I haven't a clue what "text" and "cover" mean.)
>
> > Of course, the fundamental problem with the American system is 20 lbs
>
> > of what? Yes, paper; but how much?
>
> From a quick google search:
>
> <quote>
>
> What does 20 lb paper mean? | Yahoo Answers 
> <https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080604062331AAvp9Gk>
>
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid...
>
> Jun 4, 2008 - Best Answer: "Paper weight refers to the weight of a 
> 500-sheet ream of 17" x 22" paper. Each of these sheets is equivalent 
> to four letter size ...
>
> </quote>
>
I've seen several places where this definition is shown, so it must be 
correct. If you Google
for paper weight, there will be at least one site that mentions paper 
weight in pounds and
also in grams / cm-squared, which may make sense to the Europeans 
reading this but
not to me!
>

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On Sun 10 Jul 2016 at 23:22:29 (-0400), Doug wrote:
> On 07/10/2016 09:20 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Sunday, July 10, 2016 08:33:37 PM David Wright wrote:
> >> BTW I do find American paper weights about as obfuscated as anything.
[...]
> >> Yes, paper; but how much?
> >
> >From a quick google search:
> >
> ><quote>
> >
> >What does 20 lb paper mean? | Yahoo Answers
> ><https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080604062331AAvp9Gk>
> >
> >https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid...
> >
> >Jun 4, 2008 - Best Answer: "Paper weight refers to the weight of a
> >500-sheet ream of 17" x 22" paper. Each of these sheets is
> >equivalent to four letter size ...
> >
> ></quote>
> >
> I've seen several places where this definition is shown, so it must
> be correct. If you Google
> for paper weight, there will be at least one site that mentions
> paper weight in pounds and
> also in grams / cm-squared, which may make sense to the Europeans
> reading this but
> not to me!

gsm is grams per square metre. The numbers may be unfamiliar to
people in USA/Canada (75gsm is your normal 20lb copy paper) but
as for making sense, it could hardly be simpler---the weight in
grams of a square meter of the actual paper concerned.
Where's the sense in "Please remember that the greater the "lb"
associated with a paper not always determines that it is a thicker
sheet. Notice that the 67lb Vellum Bristol has a lower gsm than a 65lb
cover because they are two different categories of cardstocks and are
scaled differently." (paperworks.com)

Cheers,
David.

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