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  why is Inkscape so bad lately? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
    Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 20:40 +0200
    Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
      Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 22:50 +0200
        Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-07-07 23:40 +0200

#169841 — why is Inkscape so bad lately?

I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't 
recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it. 
However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the developers 
aren't really in control of their code.

Grouping objects creates different results in transformations than 
telling Inkscape to treat the selection as a group. Ungrouping objects 
causes them to shift position or rotation. And putting text on a path 
produces bizarre results. If the path isn't a circle, you may not be 
able to produce the effect you want.

As far as I can remember, these things all used to work. Does anyone 
know what's going on with Inkscape development to make it so unusable 
right now?

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#169844

Gary Dale wrote:

> I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't
> recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it.
> However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the developers
> aren't really in control of their code.
> 

you mean this ugly program that used to edit vector graphics?

> Grouping objects creates different results in transformations than
> telling Inkscape to treat the selection as a group. Ungrouping objects
> causes them to shift position or rotation. And putting text on a path
> produces bizarre results. If the path isn't a circle, you may not be
> able to produce the effect you want.
> 
> As far as I can remember, these things all used to work. Does anyone
> know what's going on with Inkscape development to make it so unusable
> right now?

Did I ask already if you mean this ugly program that used to edit vector
graphics?

IRONY OFF

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#169848

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On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't 
> recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it. 
> However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the
> developers 
> aren't really in control of their code.
> 
> Grouping objects creates different results in transformations than 
> telling Inkscape to treat the selection as a group. Ungrouping
> objects 
> causes them to shift position or rotation. And putting text on a
> path 
> produces bizarre results. If the path isn't a circle, you may not be 
> able to produce the effect you want.
> 
> As far as I can remember, these things all used to work. Does anyone 
> know what's going on with Inkscape development to make it so
> unusable 
> right now?

I work a lot in Inkscape and have not experienced anything you describe
here. 

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se

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#169852

On 07/07/16 03:17 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
>> I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't
>> recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it.
>> However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the
>> developers
>> aren't really in control of their code.
>>
>> Grouping objects creates different results in transformations than
>> telling Inkscape to treat the selection as a group. Ungrouping
>> objects
>> causes them to shift position or rotation. And putting text on a
>> path
>> produces bizarre results. If the path isn't a circle, you may not be
>> able to produce the effect you want.
>>
>> As far as I can remember, these things all used to work. Does anyone
>> know what's going on with Inkscape development to make it so
>> unusable
>> right now?
> I work a lot in Inkscape and have not experienced anything you describe
> here.
>
I have a very simple file with two text objects, two circles and an 
image and that's exactly what happened when I tried to work with it. The 
circles (no stroke and no fill) were used to create a path for the text 
to follow.

It took two circles because Inkscape's arcane (more likely buggy) method 
of putting a text on path works very badly. It takes hair-pulling 
sequences of flips and rotations to get the text to where it should be. 
You can't do it with just one circle because the circle, once set for 
the first piece of text, can't be touched for the second - you need a 
second, identical, circle to be able to do the flips and rotations to 
get the second piece of text right.

When I resized the document, after scaling the drawing, so that the 
drawing would fit on a single page, I couldn't re-centre it by selecting 
the entire drawing and treating it as a group. I had to actually group 
the drawing. When I tried to ungroup it, the text moved around. Since 
the purpose of the ungroup was to replace the image with a different 
one, repositioning the text was not an option since it would be 
difficult to get it back to exactly the same position.

This meant that I couldn't simply replace the image with another one. I 
had to cover it with a circle the same colour as the background (white) 
to "erase" it.

Anyway, if you look at 
http://www.lionsclub.ca/images/vest%20design%20-%20curved%20text%201.png 
you will see the drawing when the objects are grouped. 
http://www.lionsclub.ca/images/vest%20design%20-%20curved%20text-%20bad%20.png 
is the way the drawing looks after an ungroup. Note that both pieces of 
text are moved left and upwards and the "West Hill" text is rotated 
about 15 degrees counter-clockwise.

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#169856

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On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 16:41 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> I have a very simple file with two text objects, two circles and an 
> image and that's exactly what happened when I tried to work with it.
> The 
> circles (no stroke and no fill) were used to create a path for the
> text 
> to follow.
> 
> It took two circles because Inkscape's arcane (more likely buggy)
> method 
> of putting a text on path works very badly. It takes hair-pulling 
> sequences of flips and rotations to get the text to where it should
> be. 
> You can't do it with just one circle because the circle, once set
> for 
> the first piece of text, can't be touched for the second - you need
> a 
> second, identical, circle to be able to do the flips and rotations
> to 
> get the second piece of text right.

I have no problem doing this with one circle...

> When I resized the document, after scaling the drawing, so that the 
> drawing would fit on a single page, I couldn't re-centre it by
> selecting 
> the entire drawing and treating it as a group. I had to actually
> group 
> the drawing. When I tried to ungroup it, the text moved around.
> Since 
> the purpose of the ungroup was to replace the image with a different 
> one, repositioning the text was not an option since it would be 
> difficult to get it back to exactly the same position.
> 
> This meant that I couldn't simply replace the image with another one.
> I 
> had to cover it with a circle the same colour as the background
> (white) 
> to "erase" it.
> 
> Anyway, if you look at 
> http://www.lionsclub.ca/images/vest%20design%20-%20curved%20text%201.
> png 
> you will see the drawing when the objects are grouped. 
> http://www.lionsclub.ca/images/vest%20design%20-%20curved%20text-%20b
> ad%20.png 
> is the way the drawing looks after an ungroup. Note that both pieces
> of 
> text are moved left and upwards and the "West Hill" text is rotated 
> about 15 degrees counter-clockwise.

Yep, this I can reproduce, there are a couple of bug reports upstream
that seems to match and it looks like it has been fixed for the
upcoming 0.92.

As a work around you can enter the group and do the edits there,
instead of ungrouping and grouping again.

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se

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