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libreCAD, can't find help docs

Started byGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
First post2016-06-03 12:10 +0200
Last post2016-06-05 22:30 +0200
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  libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 12:10 +0200
    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-06-03 12:50 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 13:30 +0200
    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:10 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 13:40 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-03 17:00 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 18:30 +0200
    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-05 11:20 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 11:50 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-05 12:00 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 16:00 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 18:00 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 20:20 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 21:40 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-05 19:00 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 21:50 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2016-06-06 15:20 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 16:20 +0200
                Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2016-06-06 18:00 +0200
                  Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 19:20 +0200
                    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 20:00 +0200
                      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:00 +0200
                        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 20:20 +0200
                          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:50 +0200
                            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 21:10 +0200
                              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 21:20 +0200
                      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 23:00 +0200
                        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-07 10:20 +0200
                          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-07 16:00 +0200
                            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-07 17:20 +0200
                              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-07 20:00 +0200
                                Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-08 08:50 +0200
                                  Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-08 15:50 +0200
                                    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-09 11:40 +0200
                                      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-09 18:10 +0200
                                        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-09 22:40 +0200
                                          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-10 00:10 +0200
                                            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-10 00:10 +0200
                                              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-10 01:40 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-05 19:20 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-06-05 19:30 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-05 19:40 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 22:10 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-06 10:00 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 22:00 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-05 22:30 +0200

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#168630

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2016-06-06 20:00 +0200
Message-ID<rH6YF-84b-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168629
On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> 
> > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > > and never will.
> >
> > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> > had a then decent CAD program.
> 
> Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then 
> either.
> 
> That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just 
> qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has 
> run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but 
> not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent 
> docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc 
> convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export 
> data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code 
> format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been 
> extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad 
> and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the 
> sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.

It appears to be in wheezy-backports.

Cheers,
David.

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#168631

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 20:00 +0200
Message-ID<rH6YF-84b-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168630
On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > > > and never will.
> > >
> > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> > > had a then decent CAD program.
> >
> > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then
> > either.
> >
> > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just
> > qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has
> > run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but
> > not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent
> > docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc
> > convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export
> > data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code
> > format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been
> > extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad
> > and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the
> > sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.
>
> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it were 
there.

Lisi

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#168633

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2016-06-06 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<rH7i1-8rx-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168631
On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > > > > and never will.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> > > > had a then decent CAD program.
> > >
> > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then
> > > either.
> > >
> > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just
> > > qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has
> > > run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but
> > > not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent
> > > docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc
> > > convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export
> > > data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code
> > > format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been
> > > extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad
> > > and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the
> > > sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.
> >
> > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> 
> I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it were 
> there.

Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!

-rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11 /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741  /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
(md5)

Cheers,
David.

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#168634

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 20:50 +0200
Message-ID<rH7L3-9J-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168633
On Monday 06 June 2016 19:16:41 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > > > program, and never will.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago,
> > > > > it had a then decent CAD program.
> > > >
> > > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one
> > > > then either.
> > > >
> > > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its
> > > > just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release. 
> > > > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or
> > > > 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning
> > > > curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team,
> > > > his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of
> > > > other export data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the
> > > > N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code
> > > > base, but has now been extended many many times  So I haven't propped
> > > > a ladder against freecad and really really tried to learn it.  But
> > > > first I'd have to pull the sources and see if I can build it to run
> > > > on wheezy.
> > >
> > > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> >
> > I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it
> > were there.
>
> Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!
>
> -rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11
> /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
> eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741 
> /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb (md5)
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Indeed!  Quotation from the subject line: Re: ****libreCAD****, can't find 
help docs (my stars).

Lisi

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#168635

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2016-06-06 21:10 +0200
Message-ID<rH84p-vG-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168634
On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 19:39:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 19:16:41 David Wright wrote:
> > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > > > > program, and never will.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago,
> > > > > > it had a then decent CAD program.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one
> > > > > then either.
> > > > >
> > > > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its
> > > > > just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release. 
> > > > > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or
> > > > > 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning
> > > > > curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team,
> > > > > his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of
> > > > > other export data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the
> > > > > N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code
> > > > > base, but has now been extended many many times  So I haven't propped
> > > > > a ladder against freecad and really really tried to learn it.  But
> > > > > first I'd have to pull the sources and see if I can build it to run
> > > > > on wheezy.
> > > >
> > > > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> > >
> > > I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it
> > > were there.
> >
> > Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!
> >
> > -rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11
> > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
> > eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741 
> > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb (md5)
> 
> Indeed!  Quotation from the subject line: Re: ****libreCAD****, can't find 
> help docs (my stars).

I tried to cut the quotation fairly precisely to the bit I was
responding to: Debian CAD programs. I wanted to save Gene the trouble
of compiling freecad from source as he seems very fond of it.
Gene has already moved on from the Subject line. It would be pointless
for me to change it now.

Cheers,
David.

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#168637

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 21:20 +0200
Message-ID<rH8e5-z8-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168635
On Monday 06 June 2016 20:00:42 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 19:39:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 19:16:41 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > > > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > > > > > program, and never will.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years
> > > > > > > ago, it had a then decent CAD program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have
> > > > > > one then either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and
> > > > > > its just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.
> > > > > > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4
> > > > > > or 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical
> > > > > > learning curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was
> > > > > > on the team, his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of
> > > > > > its plethora of other export data formats are readily converted
> > > > > > the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc
> > > > > > grew from that code base, but has now been extended many many
> > > > > > times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad and really
> > > > > > really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the sources
> > > > > > and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> > > >
> > > > I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it
> > > > if it were there.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!
> > >
> > > -rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11
> > > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
> > > eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741
> > > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb (md5)
> >
> > Indeed!  Quotation from the subject line: Re: ****libreCAD****, can't
> > find help docs (my stars).
>
> I tried to cut the quotation fairly precisely to the bit I was
> responding to: Debian CAD programs. I wanted to save Gene the trouble
> of compiling freecad from source as he seems very fond of it.
> Gene has already moved on from the Subject line. It would be pointless
> for me to change it now.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Yes, I am not suggesting that you should.  But we did have different 
referents.  Gene would always rather mess around anyway.  Why do it the easy 
way when the difficult way will do???? ;-)

Lisi

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#168639

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-06 23:00 +0200
Message-ID<rH9MS-1mM-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168630
On Monday 06 June 2016 13:49:50 David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > program, and never will.
> > >
> > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago,
> > > it had a then decent CAD program.
> >
> > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one
> > then either.
> >
> > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its
> > just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release. 
> > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or
> > 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning
> > curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team,
> > his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of
> > other export data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the
> > N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code
> > base, but has now been extended many many times  So I haven't
> > propped a ladder against freecad and really really tried to learn
> > it.  But first I'd have to pull the sources and see if I can build
> > it to run on wheezy.
>
> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.

So it is, but I cannot install it, synaptic claims broken packages,  but 
I click on custom -> broken and the list is empty.  And clicking on fix 
broken packages does nothing.

So synaptic seems confused, as is apt-get, but it at least names the 
proken package, or does it:

root@coyote:/home/gene/src#  apt-get -f install freecad freecad-doc 
qt4-dev-tools
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 freecad : Depends: libsoqt4-20 (>= 1.6) but 1.5.0-2 is to be installed
           Depends: python-pivy (>= 0.5.0~v609hg-2) but it is not going 
to be installed
           Depends: python-pyside but it is not going to be installed
 qt4-dev-tools : Depends: libqt4-declarative (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqt4-help (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqt4-network (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqt4-sql (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqt4-xml (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqt4-xmlpatterns (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqtdbus4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
                 Depends: libqtgui4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

But the only error I see is the version of the first package.

JVP, your turn I think.  Is this fixable?

>
> Cheers,
> David.

Thanks, to both of you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168645

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2016-06-07 10:20 +0200
Message-ID<rHkoX-gO-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168639
On 2016-06-06, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>>
>> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
>
> So it is, but I cannot install it, synaptic claims broken packages,  but 
> I click on custom -> broken and the list is empty.  And clicking on fix 
> broken packages does nothing.
>
> So synaptic seems confused, as is apt-get, but it at least names the 
> proken package, or does it:
>
> root@coyote:/home/gene/src#  apt-get -f install freecad freecad-doc 
> qt4-dev-tools

Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.

Viz

apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.

Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be straight-forward
(famous last words).

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#168652

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-07 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<rHpHY-3oH-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168645
On Tuesday 07 June 2016 04:11:43 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-06, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> >
> > So it is, but I cannot install it, synaptic claims broken packages, 
> > but I click on custom -> broken and the list is empty.  And clicking
> > on fix broken packages does nothing.
> >
> > So synaptic seems confused, as is apt-get, but it at least names the
> > proken package, or does it:
> >
> > root@coyote:/home/gene/src#  apt-get -f install freecad freecad-doc
> > qt4-dev-tools
>
> Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
> amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
> backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.
>
> Viz
>
> apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.
>
> Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be
> straight-forward (famous last words).

And these are in that category, emphasis on gory.

oot@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libsoqt4-20 python-pivy qt4-dev-tools
Suggested packages:
  qt4-doc-html
Recommended packages:
  qt4-designer qt4-doc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])

root@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get install freecad freecad-doc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 freecad : Depends: libsoqt4-20 (>= 1.6) but 1.5.0-2 is to be installed
           Depends: python-pivy (>= 0.5.0~v609hg-2) but 0.5.0~v609hg-1 is to be installed
 freecad-doc : Depends: qt4-dev-tools but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
root@coyote:/home/gene# 
=====================
That last E: is in error on synaptics, there are no broken or held packages, and it 
had zero problems installing this mornings updates, about 9 files IIRC.

The real problem is the versions of libsoqt4 and python-pivy are not 
fresh enough to meet the dependencies.  Am I missing a line in my 
/etc/sources.list that would have/show the versions it needs?

============/etc/apt/sources.list=============

deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
# deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
# deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
# deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian wheezy main
# deb http://http.us.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
# deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports firefox-release
# deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb wheezy deps-r14 main-r14
# deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb wheezy deps-r14 main-r14
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
# deb-src http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main
deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy 2.7-rtpreempt
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main

I've since re-enabled 2 of the commented out lines above, however the 
http.us.debian.net sites seem to have gone away, none can be accessed
from this us site.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168655

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2016-06-07 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<rHqXo-4lt-47@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168652
On 2016-06-07, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>>
>> Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
>> amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
>> backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.
>>
>> Viz
>>
>> apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.
>>
>> Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be
>> straight-forward (famous last words).
>
> And these are in that category, emphasis on gory.
>
> oot@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree       
> Reading state information... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy qt4-dev-tools
> Suggested packages:
>   qt4-doc-html
> Recommended packages:
>   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
> Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])

Right, so no problem. Your sources.list is irregular (not quite the
word perhaps) and there must be another freecad version in one of those
irregular repositories because freecad is not available in vanilla
Wheezy at all.

I thought we were talking about the version in wheezy-backports, which
prompted me to post what I posted.


-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#168658

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-07 20:00 +0200
Message-ID<rHtse-5IE-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168655
On Tuesday 07 June 2016 11:10:19 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-07, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
> >> amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
> >> backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.
> >>
> >> Viz
> >>
> >> apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.
> >>
> >> Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be
> >> straight-forward (famous last words).
> >
> > And these are in that category, emphasis on gory.
> >
> > oot@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install
> > freecad freecad-doc Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> >   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy qt4-dev-tools
> > Suggested packages:
> >   qt4-doc-html
> > Recommended packages:
> >   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> > 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> > Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst qt4-dev-tools
> > (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst python-pivy
> > [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst freecad
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [all]) Conf libsoqt4-20
> > (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf python-pivy
> > (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf freecad-doc
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
>
> Right, so no problem. Your sources.list is irregular (not quite the
> word perhaps)

But your KDE isn't 100% usable, the TDE version is.

> and there must be another freecad version in one of 
> those irregular repositories because freecad is not available in
> vanilla Wheezy at all.

If you look above, the only mention for the source of the file is from 
wheezy-backports.

> I thought we were talking about the version in wheezy-backports, which
> prompted me to post what I posted.

That is where it would come from as its enabled in the sources.list.  So 
it seems odd that it is there in a recent enough version, but its newer 
required dependencies are not.

That's a bug IMO.  But since its well known that my interests are at best 
described as "eclectic", my oar in those waters is just a toothpick.

Sigh....

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168675

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-08 08:50 +0200
Message-ID<rHFtn-4Z9-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168658
Maybe, the priority of the package repositories for , e.g., package
"libsoqt4-20" is wrong.

Let's see what's the outcome of

  apt-cache policy

?

Regards,
jvp.

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#168695

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-08 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<rHM1Q-Pq-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168675
On Wednesday 08 June 2016 02:41:02 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Maybe, the priority of the package repositories for , e.g., package
> "libsoqt4-20" is wrong.
>
> Let's see what's the outcome of
>
>   apt-cache policy

Rather lengthy, wordwrap off:

root@coyote:/home/gene# apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     release a=now
 500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.6 i386 Packages
     release o=Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC and supporting files for Debian,c=2.6
     origin linuxcnc.org
 500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/base i386 Packages
     release o=Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC and supporting files for Debian,c=base
     origin linuxcnc.org
 500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.7-uspace i386 Packages
     release o=Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC and supporting files for 
Debian,c=2.7-uspace
     origin linuxcnc.org
 500 http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.7-rtpreempt i386 Packages
     release o=LinuxCNC Buildbot <nomail@linuxcnc.org>,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC packages 
(http://linuxcnc.org),c=2.7-rtpreempt
     origin buildbot.linuxcnc.org
 500 http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy/non-free i386 Packages
     release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=non-free
     origin www.deb-multimedia.org
 500 http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
     release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
     origin www.deb-multimedia.org
 500 http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/ wheezy/main-r14 i386 Packages
     release v=7.0,o=trinitydesktop.org,n=wheezy,l=Trinity Desktop Environment,c=main-r14
     origin mirror.xcer.cz
 500 http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/ wheezy/deps-r14 i386 Packages
     release v=7.0,o=trinitydesktop.org,n=wheezy,l=Trinity Desktop Environment,c=deps-r14
     origin mirror.xcer.cz
 500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/firefox-release i386 Packages
     release o=Debian Mozilla Team,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Mozilla Team,c=firefox-release
     origin mozilla.debian.net
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/contrib Translation-en
 100 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/non-free i386 Packages
     release v=,o=Debian Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=non-free
     origin http.us.debian.org
 100 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/contrib i386 Packages
     release v=,o=Debian Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=contrib
     origin http.us.debian.org
 100 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main i386 Packages
     release v=,o=Debian Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=main
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free i386 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=non-free
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib i386 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=contrib
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main i386 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=main
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free i386 Packages
     release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=non-free
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib i386 Packages
     release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=contrib
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
     release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main
     origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free i386 Packages
     release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
     origin security.debian.org
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib i386 Packages
     release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
     origin security.debian.org
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages
     release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=main
     origin security.debian.org
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free i386 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=non-free
     origin http.debian.net
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib i386 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=contrib
     origin http.debian.net
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates/main i386 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=main
     origin http.debian.net
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/non-free i386 Packages
     release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=non-free
     origin http.debian.net
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/contrib i386 Packages
     release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=contrib
     origin http.debian.net
 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
     release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main
     origin http.debian.net
Pinned packages:
root@coyote:/home/gene# 


> Regards,
> jvp.

Thanks JVP.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168730

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-09 11:40 +0200
Message-ID<rI4Br-4w8-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168695
Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)

The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the wheezy-backports i386
target release which is set to priority 100. These priorities are normally set
in /etc/apt/preferences. What is the contents of this file on your system?

The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the dependencies
explicitly in the apt-get command:

   apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
libsoqt4-20 python-pivy

(This has the disadvantage that the information which packages are automatically
installed is lost. Therefor, after successfully installing freecad inform the
system about what are just dependency packages with

  apt-mark auto qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
)

If the installation doesn't work, have a look at
ttps://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . There it says:

"
To allow some newer packages for those systems we create so called sloppy
distributions. For oldstable (wheezy) packages from the current testing
(stretch) are allowed to be uploaded to wheezy-backports-sloppy.

You can use it exactly as the current backports distribution, just add another
line to your sources.list and install new packages via apt-get -t
wheezy-backports-sloppy install or apt-get -t jessie-backports install.
"

By the way, a nice tool is apt-show-versions to see from which release
(distribution) a package on your system is installed from.
It could help to trim /etc/apt/sources.list.

Regards,
jvp.


Gene Heskett wrote on 06/08/16 15:44:
> On Wednesday 08 June 2016 02:41:02 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> Maybe, the priority of the package repositories for , e.g., package
>> "libsoqt4-20" is wrong.
>>
>> Let's see what's the outcome of
>>
>>   apt-cache policy
> 
> Rather lengthy, wordwrap off:
> 
> root@coyote:/home/gene# apt-cache policy
> Package files:
>  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>      release a=now
>  500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.6 i386 Packages
>      release o=Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC and supporting files for Debian,c=2.6
>      origin linuxcnc.org
<snip>

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#168743

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-09 18:10 +0200
Message-ID<rIaGR-ec-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168730
On Thursday 09 June 2016 05:39:08 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)
>
> The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the
> wheezy-backports i386 target release which is set to priority 100.
> These priorities are normally set in /etc/apt/preferences. What is the
> contents of this file on your system?

I don't have a file there, I have a preferences.d, and its empty.

> The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the
> dependencies explicitly in the apt-get command:
>
>    apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
  qt4-doc-html
Recommended packages:
  qt4-designer qt4-doc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])

Which is as far as I got since the needed updated version of python-pivy 
isn't available even from sloppy, and neither is the newer version of 
libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1

Now, with sloppy added, let me rerun the command above to see if there 
are any diffs, as marking freecad turns the button red yet from unresolved
dependencies.

No, same results, and wheezy-backports-sloppy is not mentioned in the
results, so I won't further abuse the list with my drivel, other than 
to ask if sloppy has anything but "main" as thats all that has content
actually listed under origins.

> (This has the disadvantage that the information which packages are
> automatically installed is lost. Therefor, after successfully
> installing freecad inform the system about what are just dependency
> packages with
>
>   apt-mark auto qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> )
>
> If the installation doesn't work, have a look at
> ttps://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . There it says:
>
> "
> To allow some newer packages for those systems we create so called
> sloppy distributions. For oldstable (wheezy) packages from the current
> testing (stretch) are allowed to be uploaded to
> wheezy-backports-sloppy.
>
As noted above, no help there.

> You can use it exactly as the current backports distribution, just add
> another line to your sources.list and install new packages via apt-get
> -t wheezy-backports-sloppy install or apt-get -t jessie-backports
> install. "
>
> By the way, a nice tool is apt-show-versions to see from which release
> (distribution) a package on your system is installed from.
> It could help to trim /etc/apt/sources.list.

Which it do doubt needs as I'm sure there are essentially duplicates
in there now.

Cheers JVP, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168759

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-09 22:40 +0200
Message-ID<rIeUa-2WE-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168743
Gene Heskett wrote on 06/09/16 17:59:
> On Thursday 09 June 2016 05:39:08 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)
>>
>> The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the
>> wheezy-backports i386 target release which is set to priority 100.
>> These priorities are normally set in /etc/apt/preferences. What is the
>> contents of this file on your system?
> 
> I don't have a file there, I have a preferences.d, and its empty.
> 
>> The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the
>> dependencies explicitly in the apt-get command:
>>
>>    apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
>> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree       
> Reading state information... Done
> Suggested packages:
>   qt4-doc-html
> Recommended packages:
>   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
> Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
> 
> Which is as far as I got since the needed updated version of python-pivy 
> isn't available even from sloppy, and neither is the newer version of 
> libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1
> 
<snip>
Ah, the above command line has the "-s" switch for "simulate". Did you really
try to perform the installation?

  apt-get -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
libsoqt4-20 python-pivy

(in one command line).

Regards,
jvp.

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#168765

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-10 00:10 +0200
Message-ID<rIgjg-43I-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168759
On Thursday 09 June 2016 16:33:45 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/09/16 17:59:
> > On Thursday 09 June 2016 05:39:08 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >> Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)
> >>
> >> The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the
> >> wheezy-backports i386 target release which is set to priority 100.
> >> These priorities are normally set in /etc/apt/preferences. What is
> >> the contents of this file on your system?
> >
> > I don't have a file there, I have a preferences.d, and its empty.
> >
> >> The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the
> >> dependencies explicitly in the apt-get command:
> >>
> >>    apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> >> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> >
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Suggested packages:
> >   qt4-doc-html
> > Recommended packages:
> >   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> > 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> > Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst qt4-dev-tools
> > (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst python-pivy
> > [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst freecad
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [all]) Conf libsoqt4-20
> > (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf python-pivy
> > (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf freecad-doc
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
> >
> > Which is as far as I got since the needed updated version of
> > python-pivy isn't available even from sloppy, and neither is the
> > newer version of libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1
>
> <snip>
> Ah, the above command line has the "-s" switch for "simulate". Did you
> really try to perform the installation?
>
>   apt-get -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
>
> (in one command line).

No, and at the instant I have a far bigger problem.  The qdbus update 
that was pulled sometime in the last couple days is BUSTED. I didn't 
restart it at the time but got tired of being  pestered about it so I 
let synaptic restart it. Up to then it was working flawlessly and now 
its apparently broken big time.  I've 2 real printers here, and cups 
can't find them, and I was using it to tell kmail to do a mail fetch.

I've no clue how much else is not working now.

The output of qdbus (as me):
gene@coyote:~$ qdbus
:1.0
 org.kde.kcalc-6112
:1.1
 org.xfce.Terminal4
:1.17
:1.19
:1.2
:1.20
:1.26
:1.3
 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon
org.freedesktop.DBus

No cups, no kde, and I just reinstalled all 3 bits of it.

Is there a config workaround that will restore its function, I have now 
restarted it 5 times, but have only exercised my fingers, its dead Jim.

And my wife is going to want the pix printed that her niece just sent me 
two copies of at 15 megs a pop.

Cups, at localhost:631/printers is saying it cannot locate the printer.

But I can ping the scanner in a couple milliseconds, its an MFP, 
accessable at a local ip address.  So add networking as a 2nd thing it 
cannot do now.

Help!

>
> Regards,
> jvp.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168766

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-10 00:10 +0200
Message-ID<rIgjh-43I-75@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168765
On Thursday 09 June 2016 23:01:16 Gene Heskett wrote:
>  org.kde.kcalc-6112

Probably absolutely irrelevant - but why have you got kde-anything??  (For 
general info, Gene is running TDE 14, not kde.)

Lisi

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#168768

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-10 01:40 +0200
Message-ID<rIhIm-52a-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168766
On Thursday 09 June 2016 18:05:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Thursday 09 June 2016 23:01:16 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >  org.kde.kcalc-6112
>
> Probably absolutely irrelevant - but why have you got kde-anything?? 
> (For general info, Gene is running TDE 14, not kde.)
>
> Lisi

That particular kcalc is an older kcalc, with a bit field display of the 
result, rather handy when designing an IO port address decoder on a 
smaller (16 bit) machine.

I think it was discussed on the tde list when I was asking who neutered 
the current version, so I have the two versions installed in different 
paths, and they seem to co-exist quite peacefully.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168589

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2016-06-05 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<rGJSp-1cF-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168560
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:17:13 +0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > but it cannot find its help docs.  
> 
> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> 

Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:

"Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."

The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of which
are installed.

It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but the
manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.

-- 
Joe

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