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  Non-firefox browser? terryc <terryc@woa.com.au> - 2016-06-11 05:40 +0200
    Re: Non-firefox browser? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-06-11 05:50 +0200
    Re: Non-firefox browser? "Leon.37428" <Leon.37428@aol.com> - 2016-06-11 05:50 +0200
      Re: Non-firefox browser? Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-06-11 15:10 +0200
        Re: Non-firefox browser? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 15:30 +0200
          Re: Non-firefox browser? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-11 15:50 +0200
            Re: Non-firefox browser? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-06-11 22:50 +0200
        Re: Non-firefox browser? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-06-11 16:40 +0200
          Re: Non-firefox browser? Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2016-06-11 17:10 +0200
        Re: Non-firefox browser? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-06-11 20:40 +0200
          Re: Non-firefox browser? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-06-11 21:30 +0200
            Re: Non-firefox browser? "Leon.37428" <Leon.37428@aol.com> - 2016-06-11 21:30 +0200
              Re: Non-firefox browser? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-11 23:00 +0200
    Re: Non-firefox browser? cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-06-11 05:50 +0200
    Re: Non-firefox browser? Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-06-11 16:00 +0200
      Re: Non-firefox browser? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2016-06-12 22:30 +0200
    Re: Non-firefox browser? Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-06-11 19:30 +0200

#168811 — Non-firefox browser?

Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on
Firefox?

It seems everything has been replaced or is just a cover/skin/re-paint
of firefox.

T.I.A.

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#168812

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On 2016-06-10 at 23:00, terryc wrote:

> Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on
> Firefox?
> 
> It seems everything has been replaced or is just a
> cover/skin/re-paint of firefox.

Yes.

I don't know about an exhaustive list, but even ignoring text-mode
browsers, there are at least chromium (which is essentially Chrome) and
konqueror (which is Webkit-based). I used to know of a few others, but
I've forgotten their names just offhand, and I don't know how many of
them are still around in any case.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#168814

On 06/10/2016 11:00 PM, terryc wrote:
> Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on
> Firefox?
>
> It seems everything has been replaced or is just a cover/skin/re-paint
> of firefox.
>
> T.I.A.
>
There's a bunch of webkit-based browsers you could use, I guess.

Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers

dwb (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/dwb) seemed like it may be
promising, though it lacked some functionality I just couldn't bother
implementing myself.

- Leon

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#168823

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
>
> Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
  	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?

TIA for all constructive suggestion!

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://globaltap.com/~alan/
     What is the difference between terrible and interesting?
     Answer:  Whether it happens to you or not. (Jane Flanders)

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#168824

Hi,

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 09:00:45 -0400
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
> >
> > Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
>   	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
> 	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
> 	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
> 	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
> 	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?
> 
> TIA for all constructive suggestion!

I just added the line

deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr

to /etc/apt/sources.list , then after an apt-get update iirc it was
automatically set up to replace iceweasel.

Best regards

Michael


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#168826

On Saturday 11 June 2016 14:23:23 Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 09:00:45 -0400
>
> Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
> > > Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
> >
> >   	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
> > 	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
> > 	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
> > 	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
> > 	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?
> >
> > TIA for all constructive suggestion!
>
> I just added the line
>
> deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
>
> to /etc/apt/sources.list , then after an apt-get update iirc it was
> automatically set up to replace iceweasel.

AIUI you no longer even have to do that.  I gather that "# aptitude update" 
and "# aptitude full-upgrade"  (or equivalent) will now do the trick.  I 
gather that you need the "full-" bit ("dist-" I think in apt-get) in order to 
get rid of all of Iceweasel.  

I can't test this, because I went over to Firefox as soon as Debian officially 
recommended doing so.

Lisi

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#168841

On 06/11/2016 09:48 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> I can't test this, because I went over to Firefox as soon as Debian officially
> recommended doing so.

Heh, I switched LONG before they did. I know, I'm a bad man. :) Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#168828

Alan writes:
> how does one get firefox-esr, and what does one do to replace
> iceweasel with it?

Add jessie-backports to your sources.list and do "apt update; apt
install firefox-esr" .
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#168829

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John Hasler [2016-06-11 09:33:44-05] wrote:

> Alan writes:
>> how does one get firefox-esr, and what does one do to replace
>> iceweasel with it?
>
> Add jessie-backports to your sources.list and do "apt update; apt
> install firefox-esr" .

Jessie security is enough: 

$ apt-cache policy firefox-esr

firefox-esr:
  Installed: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1
  Candidate: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1
  Version table:
 *** 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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#168833

On 06/11/2016 08:00 AM, Alan McConnell wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
>> Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
>    	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
> 	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
> 	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
> 	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
> 	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?
>
> TIA for all constructive suggestion!
>
> Alan
>
Look for PaleMoon.

--doug

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#168836

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 02:40:26PM -0500, Doug wrote:
> 
> On 06/11/2016 08:00 AM, Alan McConnell wrote:
> >On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
> >>Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
> >   	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
> >	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
> >	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
> >	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
> >	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?
> >
> >TIA for all constructive suggestion!
> >
> >Alan
> >
> Look for PaleMoon.
> 
> --doug

Note iceweasel is being replaced by firefox-esr - which works for me.

The scripts to move from iceweasel  -> firefox-esr work well and don't
lose bookmarks etc.

All the best,

AndyC

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#168837

On 06/11/2016 03:20 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 02:40:26PM -0500, Doug wrote:
>> On 06/11/2016 08:00 AM, Alan McConnell wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
>>>> Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
>>>   	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
>>> 	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
>>> 	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
>>> 	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
>>> 	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?
>>>
>>> TIA for all constructive suggestion!
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>> Look for PaleMoon.
>>
>> --doug
> Note iceweasel is being replaced by firefox-esr - which works for me.
>
> The scripts to move from iceweasel  -> firefox-esr work well and don't
> lose bookmarks etc.
Though if you used add-ons that had different versions between Iceweasel
and Firefox, like VimFX, you will need to reinstall them if they're not
compatible.
>
> All the best,
>
> AndyC
>

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#168842

On Saturday 11 June 2016 20:27:16 Leon.37428 wrote:
> On 06/11/2016 03:20 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 02:40:26PM -0500, Doug wrote:
> >> On 06/11/2016 08:00 AM, Alan McConnell wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:39:04PM -0400, Leon.37428 wrote:
> >>>> Here's a list of others: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
> >>>
> >>>   	 I have been used to, and using, iceweasel, for many years.
> >>> 	 But under Jessie I have found that it crashes several times
> >>> 	 a day. I am getting tired of "Well, this is embarrassing!",
> >>> 	 so I'd like to ask:  how does one get firefox-esr, and what
> >>> 	 does one do to replace   iceweasel  with it?
> >>>
> >>> TIA for all constructive suggestion!
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>
> >> Look for PaleMoon.
> >>
> >> --doug
> >
> > Note iceweasel is being replaced by firefox-esr - which works for me.
> >
> > The scripts to move from iceweasel  -> firefox-esr work well and don't
> > lose bookmarks etc.
>
> Though if you used add-ons that had different versions between Iceweasel
> and Firefox, like VimFX, you will need to reinstall them if they're not
> compatible.

They seem to be running checks for that.  Perhaps you get an offer of 
automatic replacement now?

Liai

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#168815

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 01:00:54PM +1000, terryc wrote:
> Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on
> Firefox?

Huh? What do you mean by this?

> It seems everything has been replaced or is just a cover/skin/re-paint
> of firefox.

Huh? What do you mean by this?

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

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#168827

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:00:54 +1000
terryc <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote:

>Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on
>Firefox?
>
>It seems everything has been replaced or is just a cover/skin/re-paint
>of firefox.
>
>T.I.A.
>

There are many. Among them are midori, epiphany-browser, dillo, netsurf
(mostly for text only). I do have all of these and more installed.



-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

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#168900

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:57:10
> From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com>
> To: terryc <terryc@woa.com.au>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Non-firefox browser?
> Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:52:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:00:54 +1000
> terryc <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on
>> Firefox?
>>
>> It seems everything has been replaced or is just a cover/skin/re-paint
>> of firefox.
>>
>> T.I.A.
>>
>
> There are many. Among them are midori, epiphany-browser, dillo, netsurf
> (mostly for text only). I do have all of these and more installed.
>
The most radically different text browser I've used and it's available in 
debian was edbrowse.  If you're afraid of the command line stay well 
clear of edbrowse since if you don't you'll be in for massive culture 
shock.

> > >

--

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#168831

On 06/10/2016 11:00 PM, terryc wrote:
> Are there any browsers in Debian Jessie that are not dependent on Firefox?
>
> It seems everything has been replaced or is just a cover/skin/re-paint of
> firefox.
>
> T.I.A.
>
>

My two favorite non-firefox browsers are xombrero and qupzilla.

Xombrero used to be called xxxterm. Not sure what it was called in Jessie by 
the time Jessie was released. I always have my sources.list set to "testing" 
rather than any of the nicknames, so I'm never quite sure what a nicknamed 
version of Debian had in its repositories when it was released.

Anyway, xombrero is a different kind of browser designed to be controlled 
entirely from the keyboard. Depending on your preferences, it might work for 
you. It's very fast.

Qupzilla is new to me. It got installed when I decided to drop Xfce and switch 
to lxqt. It is extremely fast, maybe the fastest graphical browser I've seen 
-- at least on my systems.

Hope you find something to suit you.

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