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Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

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  Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 13:20 +0200
    Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-03 20:10 +0200
      Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-03 20:20 +0200
        Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 22:30 +0200
      Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 22:30 +0200
        Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-04 02:10 +0200
          Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-04 03:00 +0200
            Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-04 12:00 +0200
              Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-04 16:50 +0200
                Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:20 +0200
                  Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-04 18:00 +0200
                  Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-04 20:10 +0200
                    Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 00:00 +0200
                      Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 04:00 +0200
                Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-04 18:10 +0200
                  Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-04 21:00 +0200
                    Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages [SOLVED] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-04 22:20 +0200
                      Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-04 23:10 +0200
                        Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages [SOLVED] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-04 23:50 +0200
                          Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 03:20 +0200
                            Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining  :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 04:30 +0200
                              Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 12:40 +0200
                            Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages [SOLVED] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-05 16:30 +0200
                              Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 16:50 +0200
                                Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages [SOLVED] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-05 19:10 +0200
                                  Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 22:00 +0200
                                    Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64  built packages [SOLVED] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-05 22:20 +0200

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#168473 — Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-03 13:20 +0200
SubjectPursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages
Message-ID<rFViW-2rq-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
Greetings all;

I re-added the amd64 architecture to the architecture's in dpkg/synaptic, 
but the package -> force-version remains stubbornly ghosted, so I cannot 
fix any broken patckages that are preventing the install of any updates.

So I try to have dpkg remove the amd64 aarchitecture, but now get a 
database is locked error.  The system is working, quite stably, but I 
cannot update anything.  A dpkg -C spits out about 60 files in error, 
all tagged :amd64.

What are the steps I should take to fix this?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168500 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-03 20:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages
Message-ID<rG1HI-6DO-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168473
Hi,

Gene Heskett wrote on 06/03/16 13:14:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I re-added the amd64 architecture to the architecture's in dpkg/synaptic, 
> but the package -> force-version remains stubbornly ghosted, so I cannot 
> fix any broken patckages that are preventing the install of any updates.
> 
> So I try to have dpkg remove the amd64 aarchitecture, but now get a 
> database is locked error.  The system is working, quite stably, but I 

Using aptitude I would command

  aptitude purge '~ramd64'

and maybe

  aptitude purge '~c'

which should remove leftover config files from packages previously removed.

Then again

  dpkg --remove-architecture amd64

Regards,
jvp.

> cannot update anything.  A dpkg -C spits out about 60 files in error, 
> all tagged :amd64.
> 
> What are the steps I should take to fix this?
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

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#168501 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-03 20:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages
Message-ID<rG1Rn-6H2-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168500
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 06/03/16 20:09:
> Hi,
> 
> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/03/16 13:14:
>> Greetings all;
>>
>> I re-added the amd64 architecture to the architecture's in dpkg/synaptic, 
>> but the package -> force-version remains stubbornly ghosted, so I cannot 
>> fix any broken patckages that are preventing the install of any updates.
>>
>> So I try to have dpkg remove the amd64 aarchitecture, but now get a 
>> database is locked error.  The system is working, quite stably, but I 
> 
> Using aptitude I would command
> 
>   aptitude purge '~ramd64'

Sorry, this should be

  aptitude purge '~i~ramd64'

> 
> and maybe
> 
>   aptitude purge '~c'
> 
> which should remove leftover config files from packages previously removed.
> 
> Then again
> 
>   dpkg --remove-architecture amd64
> 
> Regards,
> jvp.
> 
>> cannot update anything.  A dpkg -C spits out about 60 files in error, 
>> all tagged :amd64.
>>
>> What are the steps I should take to fix this?
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>
> 
> 
> 

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#168505

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-03 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<rG3Tb-7Tx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168501
On Friday 03 June 2016 14:15:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> aptitude purge '~i~ramd64

Returns:

root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# aptitude purge '~i~ramd64'
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

Me goes off the handle some other chores, I'll check in an hour or so.

Thanks JVP.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168506

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-03 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<rG3Tc-7Tx-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168500

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On Friday 03 June 2016 14:09:21 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/03/16 13:14:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I re-added the amd64 architecture to the architecture's in
> > dpkg/synaptic, but the package -> force-version remains stubbornly
> > ghosted, so I cannot fix any broken patckages that are preventing
> > the install of any updates.
> >
> > So I try to have dpkg remove the amd64 aarchitecture, but now get a
> > database is locked error.  The system is working, quite stably, but
> > I
>
> Using aptitude I would command
>
>   aptitude purge '~ramd64'

Strange, a tilde in place of a - sign.  I had to stare at that a while before it registered. :)

This claims there are more than 40 and refuses.
> and maybe
>
>   aptitude purge '~c'

Spits out a list of 109 files, which will likely destroy the system. I did not allow it to continue.

Does it also have an install command that would install the i386 versions?  That IS what this install originally was.

> which should remove leftover config files from packages previously
> removed.
>
> Then again
>
>   dpkg --remove-architecture amd64
>
Already done that, but had to use a text editor on the arch file. dpkg refused, claiming the database was busy.  And I rebooted after I did that.

> Regards,
> jvp.
>
> > cannot update anything.  A dpkg -C spits out about 60 files in
> > error, all tagged :amd64.

So I can't count, it was over a screenfull. :)

> > What are the steps I should take to fix this?
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett

Thanks JVP.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168509 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-04 02:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages
Message-ID<rG7k6-1CJ-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168506
Some more explanations: these tilde-on-letter combinations are search patterns
for aptitude. "~c" stands for packages already removed but not purged, there are
some config files left on the system. See also "--purge --pending" in the man
page of dpkg.
So this does no harm if you don't intend to reinstall one of these packages.

Just to list these sort of packages command

  aptitude search '~c'

"~ramd64" addresses all packages for architecture amd64, "~i" addresses all
installed packages. The patterns can be combined, for example

  aptitude search '~c~ramd64'

Could you show what this command lists?
You said

  aptitude search '~i~ramd64'

didn't list any package, which would mean there is no amd64 package installed on
your system.

Could you also show the outcome of

  dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'

?

Regards,
jvp.

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#168512

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-04 03:00 +0200
Message-ID<rG86t-1Sw-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168509
On Friday 03 June 2016 20:06:57 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Some more explanations: these tilde-on-letter combinations are search
> patterns for aptitude. "~c" stands for packages already removed but
> not purged, there are some config files left on the system. See also
> "--purge --pending" in the man page of dpkg.
> So this does no harm if you don't intend to reinstall one of these
> packages.
>
> Just to list these sort of packages command
>
>   aptitude search '~c'
>
> "~ramd64" addresses all packages for architecture amd64, "~i"
> addresses all installed packages. The patterns can be combined, for
> example
>
>   aptitude search '~c~ramd64'
>
> Could you show what this command lists?
> You said
>
>   aptitude search '~i~ramd64'
>
Still does not return anything

> didn't list any package, which would mean there is no amd64 package
> installed on your system.
>
> Could you also show the outcome of
>
>   dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'

root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64' 
ii  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5                                   
amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
ii  libacl1:amd64                             2.2.51-8                                  
amd64        Access control list shared library
ii  libasound2:amd64                          1.0.25-4                                  
amd64        shared library for ALSA applications
ii  libatk1.0-0:amd64                         2.4.0-2                                   
amd64        ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libattr1:amd64                            1:2.4.46-8                                
amd64        Extended attribute shared library
ii  libaudiofile1:amd64                       0.3.4-2                                   
amd64        Open-source version of SGI's audiofile library
ii  libavahi-client3:amd64                    0.6.31-2                                  
amd64        Avahi client library
ii  libavahi-common-data:amd64                0.6.31-2                                  
amd64        Avahi common data files
ii  libavahi-common3:amd64                    0.6.31-2                                  
amd64        Avahi common library
ii  libbz2-1.0:amd64                          1.0.6-4                                   
amd64        high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - 
runtime
ii  libcomerr2:amd64                          1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1                         
amd64        common error description library
ii  libdatrie1:amd64                          0.2.5-3                                   
amd64        Double-array trie library
ii  libdbus-1-3:amd64                         1.6.8-1+deb7u6                            
amd64        simple interprocess messaging system (library)
ii  libdbus-glib-1-2:amd64                    0.100.2-1                                 
amd64        simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-based shared 
library)
ii  libevent-2.0-5:amd64                      2.0.19-stable-3+deb7u1                    
amd64        Asynchronous event notification library
ii  libffi5:amd64                             3.0.10-3                                  
amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
ii  libfontconfig1:amd64                      2.9.0-7.1                                 
amd64        generic font configuration library - runtime
ii  libfreetype6:amd64                        2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3                          
amd64        FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
ii  libgcc1:amd64                             1:4.7.2-5                                 
amd64        GCC support library
ii  libglib2.0-0:amd64                        2.33.12+really2.32.4-5                    
amd64        GLib library of C routines
ii  libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64                    1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      
amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - krb5 GSS-API Mechanism
ii  libhunspell-1.3-0:amd64                   1.3.2-4                                   
amd64        spell checker and morphological analyzer (shared library)
ii  libice6:amd64                             2:1.0.8-2                                 
amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii  libjasper1:amd64                          1.900.1-13+deb7u4                         
amd64        JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library
ii  libjbig0:amd64                            2.0-2+deb7u1                              
amd64        JBIGkit libraries
ii  libjpeg8:amd64                            8d-1+deb7u1                               
amd64        Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
ii  libk5crypto3:amd64                        1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      
amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
ii  libkeyutils1:amd64                        1.5.5-3+deb7u1                            
amd64        Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
ii  libkrb5-3:amd64                           1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      
amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
ii  libkrb5support0:amd64                     1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      
amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
ii  liblcms1:amd64                            1.19.dfsg2-1.2+deb7u1                     
amd64        Little CMS color management library
ii  liblzma5:amd64                            5.1.1alpha+20120614-2                     
amd64        XZ-format compression library
ii  libmng1:amd64                             1.0.10-3                                  
amd64        Multiple-image Network Graphics library
ii  libogg0:amd64                             1.3.0-4                                   
amd64        Ogg bitstream library
ii  libpcre3:amd64                            1:8.30-5                                  
amd64        Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime 
files
ii  libpng12-0:amd64                          1.2.49-1+deb7u2                           
amd64        PNG library - runtime
ii  libselinux1:amd64                         2.1.9-5                                   
amd64        SELinux runtime shared libraries
ii  libsm6:amd64                              2:1.2.1-2                                 
amd64        X11 Session Management library
ii  libsqlite3-0:amd64                        3.7.13-1+deb7u2                           
amd64        SQLite 3 shared library
ii  libstdc++6:amd64                          4.7.2-5                                   
amd64        GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii  libthai0:amd64                            0.1.18-2                                  
amd64        Thai language support library
ii  libtiff4:amd64                            3.9.6-11                                  
amd64        Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version)
ii  libudev0:amd64                            175-7.2                                   
amd64        libudev shared library
ii  libuuid1:amd64                            2.20.1-5.3                                
amd64        Universally Unique ID library
ii  libvorbis0a:amd64                         1.3.2-1.3                                 
amd64        The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (Decoder 
library)
ii  libvorbisfile3:amd64                      1.3.2-1.3                                 
amd64        The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (High Level API)
ii  libxau6:amd64                             1:1.0.7-1                                 
amd64        X11 authorisation library
ii  libxdmcp6:amd64                           1:1.1.1-1                                 
amd64        X11 Display Manager Control Protocol library
ii  libxml2:amd64                             2.8.0+dfsg1-7+wheezy5                     
amd64        GNOME XML library
ii  zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13                           
amd64        compression library - runtime

and
root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'|wc -l
50

Not sure what to believe here.

Thanks jvp.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168525 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-04 12:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages
Message-ID<rGgx3-7eb-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168512
The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is 0.8.1), maybe it
hasn't the full architecture support.
The dpkg output is reliable, I think. Since in the output of the dpkg command
all amd64 packages have an "ii" at the beginning of the line, it shows that all
your amd64 packages are installed correctly.

Then, I'd like to see the output of

dpkg -C

You said it showed 60 package names in error all tagged :amd64.
These are not shown in the list generated by "dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'".
They should be taken care of first by purging them all together.
I don't remember the output format. The idea is to generate a command to extract
the package names from this and feed it to dpkg --purge.

Regards,
jvp.


Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 02:50:
> On Friday 03 June 2016 20:06:57 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> Some more explanations: these tilde-on-letter combinations are search
>> patterns for aptitude. "~c" stands for packages already removed but
>> not purged, there are some config files left on the system. See also
>> "--purge --pending" in the man page of dpkg.
>> So this does no harm if you don't intend to reinstall one of these
>> packages.
>>
>> Just to list these sort of packages command
>>
>>   aptitude search '~c'
>>
>> "~ramd64" addresses all packages for architecture amd64, "~i"
>> addresses all installed packages. The patterns can be combined, for
>> example
>>
>>   aptitude search '~c~ramd64'
>>
>> Could you show what this command lists?
>> You said
>>
>>   aptitude search '~i~ramd64'
>>
> Still does not return anything
> 
>> didn't list any package, which would mean there is no amd64 package
>> installed on your system.
>>
>> Could you also show the outcome of
>>
>>   dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'
> 
> root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64' 
> ii  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5                                   
> amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
> ii  libacl1:amd64                             2.2.51-8                                  
> amd64        Access control list shared library

<snip>

> ii  libxml2:amd64                             2.8.0+dfsg1-7+wheezy5                     
> amd64        GNOME XML library
> ii  zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13                           
> amd64        compression library - runtime
> 
> and
> root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'|wc -l
> 50
> 
> Not sure what to believe here.
> 
> Thanks jvp.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

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#168530

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-04 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<rGl3H-2ms-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168525
On Saturday 04 June 2016 05:53:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is 0.8.1),

Yes, this is wheezy. 6.8.2 here.

> maybe it hasn't the full architecture support.
> The dpkg output is reliable, I think. Since in the output of the dpkg
> command all amd64 packages have an "ii" at the beginning of the line,
> it shows that all your amd64 packages are installed correctly.
>
> Then, I'd like to see the output of
>
$>dpkg -C >trash.list, cat trash.list
The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
 libxdmcp6:amd64      X11 Display Manager Control Protocol library
 libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
 libxml2:amd64        GNOME XML library
 libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
 libvorbisfile3:amd64 The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (High Level AP
 libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
 libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
 libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - krb5 GSS-API Mechanism
 libdbus-glib-1-2:amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-based shared l
 libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
 libudev0:amd64       libudev shared library
 libfontconfig1:amd64 generic font configuration library - runtime
 libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
 libthai0:amd64       Thai language support library
 zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
 libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
 libasound2:amd64     shared library for ALSA applications
 libsqlite3-0:amd64   SQLite 3 shared library
 libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
 libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
 libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
 libtiff4:amd64       Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version)
 libaudiofile1:amd64  Open-source version of SGI's audiofile library
 libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
 libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
 libmng1:amd64        Multiple-image Network Graphics library
 libacl1:amd64        Access control list shared library
 libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
 libdatrie1:amd64     Double-array trie library
 libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
 libjasper1:amd64     JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library
 libatk1.0-0:amd64    ATK accessibility toolkit
 liblzma5:amd64       XZ-format compression library
 libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
 torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
 libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime fi
 liblcms1:amd64       Little CMS color management library
 libbz2-1.0:amd64     high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - runt
 libvorbis0a:amd64    The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (Decoder libra
 gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
 libavahi-client3:amd64 Avahi client library
 libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
 libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
 libevent-2.0-5:amd64 Asynchronous event notification library
 libsm6:amd64         X11 Session Management library
 libpng12-0:amd64     PNG library - runtime
 libhunspell-1.3-0:amd64 spell checker and morphological analyzer (shared library)
 libstdc++6:amd64     GNU Standard C++ Library v3
 libglib2.0-0:amd64   GLib library of C routines
 libkrb5-3:amd64      MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
 libxau6:amd64        X11 authorisation library

55 lines according to wc -l

So I did that by copy paste but some had dependencies, when that was done, a fresh 
dpkg -C generated this trash.list2:

The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
 libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
 libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
 libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
 libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
 libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
 libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
 zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
 libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
 libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
 libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
 libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
 libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
 libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
 libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
 libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
 libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
 torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
 libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime fi
 gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
 libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
 libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries

Which are being held due to dependencies.

> You said it showed 60 package names in error all tagged :amd64.
> These are not shown in the list generated by "dpkg -l | grep
> ':amd64'". They should be taken care of first by purging them all
> together. I don't remember the output format. The idea is to generate
> a command to extract the package names from this and feed it to dpkg
> --purge.
>
The output format is a mess, wc -l says 20, and word wrap is off, long lines
pi  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5                                   amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
pi  libattr1:amd64                            1:2.4.46-8                                amd64        Extended attribute shared library
pi  libavahi-common-data:amd64                0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi common data files
pi  libavahi-common3:amd64                    0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi common library
pi  libcomerr2:amd64                          1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1                         amd64        common error description library
pi  libdbus-1-3:amd64                         1.6.8-1+deb7u6                            amd64        simple interprocess messaging system (library)
pi  libffi5:amd64                             3.0.10-3                                  amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
pi  libfreetype6:amd64                        2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3                          amd64        FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
pi  libgcc1:amd64                             1:4.7.2-5                                 amd64        GCC support library
pi  libice6:amd64                             2:1.0.8-2                                 amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
pi  libjbig0:amd64                            2.0-2+deb7u1                              amd64        JBIGkit libraries
pi  libjpeg8:amd64                            8d-1+deb7u1                               amd64        Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
pi  libk5crypto3:amd64                        1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
pi  libkeyutils1:amd64                        1.5.5-3+deb7u1                            amd64        Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
pi  libkrb5support0:amd64                     1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
pi  libogg0:amd64                             1.3.0-4                                   amd64        Ogg bitstream library
pi  libpcre3:amd64                            1:8.30-5                                  amd64        Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime 
files
pi  libselinux1:amd64                         2.1.9-5                                   amd64        SELinux runtime shared libraries
pi  libuuid1:amd64                            2.20.1-5.3                                amd64        Universally Unique ID library
pi  zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13                           amd64        compression library - runtime

What does the leading pi denote?

I assume I probably need to somehow force the i386 versions of these to be installed?

> Regards,
> jvp.

My highest Regards back at you, for even trying to sort the mess I made by adding amd64 to the arch file.

Thank you, a lot.

> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 02:50:
> > On Friday 03 June 2016 20:06:57 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >> Some more explanations: these tilde-on-letter combinations are
> >> search patterns for aptitude. "~c" stands for packages already
> >> removed but not purged, there are some config files left on the
> >> system. See also "--purge --pending" in the man page of dpkg.
> >> So this does no harm if you don't intend to reinstall one of these
> >> packages.
> >>
> >> Just to list these sort of packages command
> >>
> >>   aptitude search '~c'
> >>
> >> "~ramd64" addresses all packages for architecture amd64, "~i"
> >> addresses all installed packages. The patterns can be combined, for
> >> example
> >>
> >>   aptitude search '~c~ramd64'
> >>
> >> Could you show what this command lists?
> >> You said
> >>
> >>   aptitude search '~i~ramd64'
> >
> > Still does not return anything
> >
> >> didn't list any package, which would mean there is no amd64 package
> >> installed on your system.
> >>
> >> Could you also show the outcome of
> >>
> >>   dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'
> >
> > root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'
> > ii  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5
> > amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
> > ii  libacl1:amd64                             2.2.51-8
> > amd64        Access control list shared library
>
> <snip>
>
> > ii  libxml2:amd64                             2.8.0+dfsg1-7+wheezy5
> > amd64        GNOME XML library
> > ii  zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13
> > amd64        compression library - runtime
> >
> > and
> > root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'|wc -l
> > 50
> >
> > Not sure what to believe here.
> >
> > Thanks jvp.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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#168533

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-04 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<rGlwK-2Ly-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168530
On Saturday 04 June 2016 15:45:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 04 June 2016 05:53:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is 0.8.1),
>
> Yes, this is wheezy. 6.8.2 here.

Which, according to <aptitude show aptitude> " is also Y2K-compliant, 
non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken."

Even if it is not succeeding in sorting out the mess!  Isn't that 
reassuring? ;-)

I assume you have read this? (And, of course, marked, learnt and inwardly 
digested, as well as obeyed???)

https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation

Lisi

>
> > maybe it hasn't the full architecture support.
> > The dpkg output is reliable, I think. Since in the output of the dpkg
> > command all amd64 packages have an "ii" at the beginning of the line,
> > it shows that all your amd64 packages are installed correctly.
> >
> > Then, I'd like to see the output of
>
> $>dpkg -C >trash.list, cat trash.list
> The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
> cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
> the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
>  libxdmcp6:amd64      X11 Display Manager Control Protocol library
>  libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
>  libxml2:amd64        GNOME XML library
>  libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
>  libvorbisfile3:amd64 The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (High
> Level AP libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
>  libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
>  libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - krb5 GSS-API
> Mechanism libdbus-glib-1-2:amd64 simple interprocess messaging system
> (GLib-based shared l libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries -
> Crypto Library libudev0:amd64       libudev shared library
>  libfontconfig1:amd64 generic font configuration library - runtime
>  libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
>  libthai0:amd64       Thai language support library
>  zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
>  libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
>  libasound2:amd64     shared library for ALSA applications
>  libsqlite3-0:amd64   SQLite 3 shared library
>  libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
>  libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
>  libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
>  libtiff4:amd64       Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version)
>  libaudiofile1:amd64  Open-source version of SGI's audiofile library
>  libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
>  libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
>  libmng1:amd64        Multiple-image Network Graphics library
>  libacl1:amd64        Access control list shared library
>  libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
>  libdatrie1:amd64     Double-array trie library
>  libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
>  libjasper1:amd64     JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library
>  libatk1.0-0:amd64    ATK accessibility toolkit
>  liblzma5:amd64       XZ-format compression library
>  libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
>  torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
>  libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library -
> runtime fi liblcms1:amd64       Little CMS color management library
>  libbz2-1.0:amd64     high-quality block-sorting file compressor library -
> runt libvorbis0a:amd64    The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec
> (Decoder libra gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base
> package) libavahi-client3:amd64 Avahi client library
>  libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
>  libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
>  libevent-2.0-5:amd64 Asynchronous event notification library
>  libsm6:amd64         X11 Session Management library
>  libpng12-0:amd64     PNG library - runtime
>  libhunspell-1.3-0:amd64 spell checker and morphological analyzer (shared
> library) libstdc++6:amd64     GNU Standard C++ Library v3
>  libglib2.0-0:amd64   GLib library of C routines
>  libkrb5-3:amd64      MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
>  libxau6:amd64        X11 authorisation library
>
> 55 lines according to wc -l
>
> So I did that by copy paste but some had dependencies, when that was done,
> a fresh dpkg -C generated this trash.list2:
>
> The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
> cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
> the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
>  libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
>  libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
>  libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
>  libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
>  libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
>  libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
>  zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
>  libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
>  libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
>  libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
>  libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
>  libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
>  libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
>  libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
>  libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
>  libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
>  torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
>  libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library -
> runtime fi gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base
> package) libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
>  libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
>
> Which are being held due to dependencies.
>
> > You said it showed 60 package names in error all tagged :amd64.
> > These are not shown in the list generated by "dpkg -l | grep
> > ':amd64'". They should be taken care of first by purging them all
> > together. I don't remember the output format. The idea is to generate
> > a command to extract the package names from this and feed it to dpkg
> > --purge.
>
> The output format is a mess, wc -l says 20, and word wrap is off, long
> lines pi  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5                
>                   amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base
> package) pi  libattr1:amd64                            1:2.4.46-8          
>                      amd64        Extended attribute shared library pi 
> libavahi-common-data:amd64                0.6.31-2                         
>         amd64        Avahi common data files pi  libavahi-common3:amd64    
>                0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi
> common library pi  libcomerr2:amd64                         
> 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1                         amd64        common error
> description library pi  libdbus-1-3:amd64                        
> 1.6.8-1+deb7u6                            amd64        simple interprocess
> messaging system (library) pi  libffi5:amd64                            
> 3.0.10-3                                  amd64        Foreign Function
> Interface library runtime pi  libfreetype6:amd64                       
> 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3                          amd64        FreeType 2 font
> engine, shared library files pi  libgcc1:amd64                            
> 1:4.7.2-5                                 amd64        GCC support library
> pi  libice6:amd64                             2:1.0.8-2                    
>             amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library pi 
> libjbig0:amd64                            2.0-2+deb7u1                     
>         amd64        JBIGkit libraries pi  libjpeg8:amd64                  
>          8d-1+deb7u1                               amd64        Independent
> JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library pi  libk5crypto3:amd64                   
>     1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      amd64        MIT Kerberos
> runtime libraries - Crypto Library pi  libkeyutils1:amd64                  
>      1.5.5-3+deb7u1                            amd64        Linux Key
> Management Utilities (library) pi  libkrb5support0:amd64                   
>  1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      amd64        MIT Kerberos
> runtime libraries - Support library pi  libogg0:amd64                      
>       1.3.0-4                                   amd64        Ogg bitstream
> library pi  libpcre3:amd64                            1:8.30-5             
>                     amd64        Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression
> Library - runtime files
> pi  libselinux1:amd64                         2.1.9-5                      
>             amd64        SELinux runtime shared libraries pi 
> libuuid1:amd64                            2.20.1-5.3                       
>         amd64        Universally Unique ID library pi  zlib1g:amd64        
>                      1:1.2.7.dfsg-13                           amd64       
> compression library - runtime
>
> What does the leading pi denote?
>
> I assume I probably need to somehow force the i386 versions of these to be
> installed?
>
> > Regards,
> > jvp.
>
> My highest Regards back at you, for even trying to sort the mess I made by
> adding amd64 to the arch file.
>
> Thank you, a lot.
>
> > Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 02:50:
> > > On Friday 03 June 2016 20:06:57 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > >> Some more explanations: these tilde-on-letter combinations are
> > >> search patterns for aptitude. "~c" stands for packages already
> > >> removed but not purged, there are some config files left on the
> > >> system. See also "--purge --pending" in the man page of dpkg.
> > >> So this does no harm if you don't intend to reinstall one of these
> > >> packages.
> > >>
> > >> Just to list these sort of packages command
> > >>
> > >>   aptitude search '~c'
> > >>
> > >> "~ramd64" addresses all packages for architecture amd64, "~i"
> > >> addresses all installed packages. The patterns can be combined, for
> > >> example
> > >>
> > >>   aptitude search '~c~ramd64'
> > >>
> > >> Could you show what this command lists?
> > >> You said
> > >>
> > >>   aptitude search '~i~ramd64'
> > >
> > > Still does not return anything
> > >
> > >> didn't list any package, which would mean there is no amd64 package
> > >> installed on your system.
> > >>
> > >> Could you also show the outcome of
> > >>
> > >>   dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'
> > >
> > > root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'
> > > ii  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5
> > > amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
> > > ii  libacl1:amd64                             2.2.51-8
> > > amd64        Access control list shared library
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > ii  libxml2:amd64                             2.8.0+dfsg1-7+wheezy5
> > > amd64        GNOME XML library
> > > ii  zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13
> > > amd64        compression library - runtime
> > >
> > > and
> > > root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -l | grep ':amd64'|wc -l
> > > 50
> > >
> > > Not sure what to believe here.
> > >
> > > Thanks jvp.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

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#168534

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-04 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<rGm9r-2YU-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168533
On Saturday 04 June 2016 11:11:32 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 04 June 2016 15:45:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 June 2016 05:53:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > > The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is
> > > 0.8.1),
> >
> > Yes, this is wheezy. 6.8.2 here.
>
> Which, according to <aptitude show aptitude> " is also Y2K-compliant,
> non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken."
>
> Even if it is not succeeding in sorting out the mess!  Isn't that
> reassuring? ;-)
>
> I assume you have read this? (And, of course, marked, learnt and
> inwardly digested, as well as obeyed???)
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation
>
> Lisi

No, I have not, was not aware of its existance even, but it will now be 
studied intently to see if there is a potential path forward once this 
mess has been swept up.  Thank you Lisi, very much..


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168537

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-04 20:10 +0200
Message-ID<rGobf-4qy-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168533
On Saturday 04 June 2016 11:11:32 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 04 June 2016 15:45:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 June 2016 05:53:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > > The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is
> > > 0.8.1),
> >
> > Yes, this is wheezy. 6.8.2 here.
>
> Which, according to <aptitude show aptitude> " is also Y2K-compliant,
> non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken."
>
> Even if it is not succeeding in sorting out the mess!  Isn't that
> reassuring? ;-)
>
> I assume you have read this? (And, of course, marked, learnt and
> inwardly digested, as well as obeyed???)
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation
>
> Lisi

Now, having had a nap, & 600mg of gabapentin for the back pain which I 
found I didn't take yesterday because it did not get into my weekly 
pilltainer refilling Thursday evening, and perused this document, there 
is here and there in it, some swahili that a true developer is probably 
conversant with, but the whole procedure seems a bit complex to me to 
carry out on a 'live' system.  So I believe that I will clean up 
the "foreign" amd64 stuff if I can, following JVP's most helpfull 
guidelines so that updates can resume.  Failing that, I have good 
backups courtesy of amanda so that I can reinstall and restore my data, 
like this email corpus of around 26 gigs.  Only this time install the 
amd64 install, followed by a backup of this running kernel which will 
run the linuxcnc simulator.  To that end, I'll next be collecting that 
iso and burning a couple copies so they  will be ready should that path 
be needed.

Thank you for the link Lisi, I believe it was helpful in showing me that 
at my age, I am finally in over my head, at least until tools can catch 
up with the concept and do it automatically on command.  Multiple 
reboots expected of course.

Completely separate issue, I just bought a new mouse, which if unused for 
a period of time shuts itself completely off!  What a revolting 
development that is becoming!

> > > maybe it hasn't the full architecture support.

According to the required versions, it has, but I don't believe the 
wrappers to drive it all have all been created.  Likely a WIP.

In the meantime I have purged more than half the files that may be 
creating my broken packages hell, but which in synaptic, refuse to 
identify themselves in the broken packages list, it is, or was last 
night, clean.  So synaptic itself isn't telling me the whole picture 
either.

> > > The dpkg output is reliable, I think. Since in the output of the
> > > dpkg command all amd64 packages have an "ii" at the beginning of
> > > the line, it shows that all your amd64 packages are installed
> > > correctly.

What I have remaining are labeled as pi. See my previous post with that 
list.

Thanks again Lisi

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168547

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-05 00:00 +0200
Message-ID<rGrLQ-6n1-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168537
On Saturday 04 June 2016 19:06:01 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Thank you for the link Lisi, I believe it was helpful in showing me that
> at my age, I am finally in over my head,

Many years ago now I had that salutary lesson - at a MUCH younger age.  My six 
year old son was musically gifted.  There is an exam in music theory (Grade 
5) which is/was a necessary prerequisite for getting anywhere in classical 
music over here.  He got 99 or 98 out of 99.  Most of the theory was double 
dutch to me, and I did feel that I ought at least to know what my son was 
talking about, so I did the exam myself.  The person teaching me said.  "He 
is way ahead of you, and you know that you will never catch him up don't you, 
let alone overtake him?  So I hope that that is not your aim."  

The first time I ever said to my son "I don't know darling, you will have to 
ask Jane Doe" he was around twenty months old.

I think he may read this list.  I don't think he has been told the first of 
those before - and he probably doesn't remember the second.  

Even Einstein won't have known everything.  

We two are still trying to learn.  Let us hope we are succeeding, anyhow some 
of the time, so we are not yet brain-dead, merely not omniscient.

Join the club, Gene.  It's nice to have you on board. ;-)  Omniscience is SO 
wearing. ;-)

Lisi

I have it on the best of authority - a local medical specialist - that no-one 
can live for ever, three score years and ten is man's allotted span, 83 is 
already 13 years more.  Go away and shut up.  Well, that last wasn't put 
_quite_ like that, only almost - but the rest is verbatim.

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#168552

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-05 04:00 +0200
Message-ID<rGvw6-pK-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168547
On Saturday 04 June 2016 17:55:41 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 04 June 2016 19:06:01 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Thank you for the link Lisi, I believe it was helpful in showing me
> > that at my age, I am finally in over my head,
>
> Many years ago now I had that salutary lesson - at a MUCH younger age.
>  My six year old son was musically gifted.  There is an exam in music
> theory (Grade 5) which is/was a necessary prerequisite for getting
> anywhere in classical music over here.  He got 99 or 98 out of 99. 
> Most of the theory was double dutch to me, and I did feel that I ought
> at least to know what my son was talking about, so I did the exam
> myself.  The person teaching me said.  "He is way ahead of you, and
> you know that you will never catch him up don't you, let alone
> overtake him?  So I hope that that is not your aim."
>
> The first time I ever said to my son "I don't know darling, you will
> have to ask Jane Doe" he was around twenty months old.
>
> I think he may read this list.  I don't think he has been told the
> first of those before - and he probably doesn't remember the second.
>
> Even Einstein won't have known everything.
>
> We two are still trying to learn.  Let us hope we are succeeding,
> anyhow some of the time, so we are not yet brain-dead, merely not
> omniscient.
>
> Join the club, Gene.  It's nice to have you on board. ;-)  Omniscience
> is SO wearing. ;-)
>
> Lisi
>
> I have it on the best of authority - a local medical specialist - that
> no-one can live for ever, three score years and ten is man's allotted
> span, 83 is already 13 years more.  Go away and shut up.  Well, that
> last wasn't put _quite_ like that, only almost - but the rest is
> verbatim.

I may have had an advantage on you. My mother was slightly smarter than 
the average bear, and was the only girl in the class on aviation 
technology that was offered in 1929 at Des Moines Technical high school 
in Des Moines Iowa, state capital. By the time I was 5 I was reading 
nearly any book I could carry.  I can also say that while she did not 
know the answers to all the questions a 5 to 8 year old could ask, she 
did know where the county library was, so I found myself reading high 
school level physics books by the time I was 7ish. Some of those 
questions haven't been fully explained yet, like what is gravity?  It 
blew my young mind that my mother didn't know that!

They've invented the Graviton is a transmission particle, but there are 2 
schools of thought on it because the only way to measure its speed is by 
conflicting theories.  One of course being that it cannot exceed C 
speed.  But if you plug C speed into planetary orbital math, the orbital 
math predicts that our earth should have spiraled into the sun billions 
of years ago.  The difference is the vector force direction because C 
speed puts that vector at the center of mass of the sun where we see it 
now, NOT where it was 8 minutes ago when that light left headed this 
way.  And the orbital math results only agree with us still being here 
is if that vector points at the center of mass where it was 8 minutes 
ago.  And that implies there is something that can travel 1,000,000x C 
speed at least.

If we could turn gravity off and on we could measure this propagation 
velocity first hand and settle the argument, but thats a trick we 
haven't, despite all the Star Trek movies, mastered yet. Einstein 
couldn't merge that into a T.O.E. and Hawking spends most of his time 
thinking about extreme gravity and black holes, where C speed determines 
that we can't see a block hole, only infer its mass from the sub-luminal 
velocities of other stars orbiting it that we can measure.

So its a question that I doubt will be answered in my remaining time.  
And there are brains at least 300 IQ points above whats left of mine 
that have spent decades playing what if games with it in the night when 
they can't sleep.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168535 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-04 18:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages
Message-ID<rGmj9-3hA-53@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168530
Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 16:45:
> On Saturday 04 June 2016 05:53:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is 0.8.1),
> 
> Yes, this is wheezy. 6.8.2 here.
> 
>> maybe it hasn't the full architecture support.
>> The dpkg output is reliable, I think. Since in the output of the dpkg
>> command all amd64 packages have an "ii" at the beginning of the line,
>> it shows that all your amd64 packages are installed correctly.
>>
>> Then, I'd like to see the output of
>>
> $>dpkg -C >trash.list, cat trash.list
> The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
> cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
> the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
>  libxdmcp6:amd64      X11 Display Manager Control Protocol library
>  libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
>  libxml2:amd64        GNOME XML library
>  libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
>  libvorbisfile3:amd64 The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (High Level AP
>  libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
>  libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
>  libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - krb5 GSS-API Mechanism
>  libdbus-glib-1-2:amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-based shared l
>  libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
>  libudev0:amd64       libudev shared library
>  libfontconfig1:amd64 generic font configuration library - runtime
>  libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
>  libthai0:amd64       Thai language support library
>  zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
>  libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
>  libasound2:amd64     shared library for ALSA applications
>  libsqlite3-0:amd64   SQLite 3 shared library
>  libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
>  libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
>  libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
>  libtiff4:amd64       Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version)
>  libaudiofile1:amd64  Open-source version of SGI's audiofile library
>  libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
>  libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
>  libmng1:amd64        Multiple-image Network Graphics library
>  libacl1:amd64        Access control list shared library
>  libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
>  libdatrie1:amd64     Double-array trie library
>  libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
>  libjasper1:amd64     JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library
>  libatk1.0-0:amd64    ATK accessibility toolkit
>  liblzma5:amd64       XZ-format compression library
>  libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
>  torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
>  libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime fi
>  liblcms1:amd64       Little CMS color management library
>  libbz2-1.0:amd64     high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - runt
>  libvorbis0a:amd64    The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (Decoder libra
>  gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
>  libavahi-client3:amd64 Avahi client library
>  libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
>  libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
>  libevent-2.0-5:amd64 Asynchronous event notification library
>  libsm6:amd64         X11 Session Management library
>  libpng12-0:amd64     PNG library - runtime
>  libhunspell-1.3-0:amd64 spell checker and morphological analyzer (shared library)
>  libstdc++6:amd64     GNU Standard C++ Library v3
>  libglib2.0-0:amd64   GLib library of C routines
>  libkrb5-3:amd64      MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
>  libxau6:amd64        X11 authorisation library
> 
> 55 lines according to wc -l
> 
> So I did that by copy paste but some had dependencies, when that was done, a fresh

You did what? Adding the architecture?

> dpkg -C generated this trash.list2:
> 
> The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
> cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
> the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
>  libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
>  libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
>  libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
>  libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
>  libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
>  libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
>  zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
>  libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
>  libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
>  libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
>  libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
>  libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
>  libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
>  libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
>  libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
>  libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
>  torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
>  libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime fi
>  gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
>  libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
>  libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
> 
> Which are being held due to dependencies.
> 
>> You said it showed 60 package names in error all tagged :amd64.
>> These are not shown in the list generated by "dpkg -l | grep
>> ':amd64'". They should be taken care of first by purging them all
>> together. I don't remember the output format. The idea is to generate
>> a command to extract the package names from this and feed it to dpkg
>> --purge.
>>
> The output format is a mess, wc -l says 20, and word wrap is off, long lines
> pi  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5                                   amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
> pi  libattr1:amd64                            1:2.4.46-8                                amd64        Extended attribute shared library
> pi  libavahi-common-data:amd64                0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi common data files
> pi  libavahi-common3:amd64                    0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi common library
> pi  libcomerr2:amd64                          1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1                         amd64        common error description library
> pi  libdbus-1-3:amd64                         1.6.8-1+deb7u6                            amd64        simple interprocess messaging system (library)
> pi  libffi5:amd64                             3.0.10-3                                  amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
> pi  libfreetype6:amd64                        2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3                          amd64        FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
> pi  libgcc1:amd64                             1:4.7.2-5                                 amd64        GCC support library
> pi  libice6:amd64                             2:1.0.8-2                                 amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
> pi  libjbig0:amd64                            2.0-2+deb7u1                              amd64        JBIGkit libraries
> pi  libjpeg8:amd64                            8d-1+deb7u1                               amd64        Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
> pi  libk5crypto3:amd64                        1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library
> pi  libkeyutils1:amd64                        1.5.5-3+deb7u1                            amd64        Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
> pi  libkrb5support0:amd64                     1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                      amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support library
> pi  libogg0:amd64                             1.3.0-4                                   amd64        Ogg bitstream library
> pi  libpcre3:amd64                            1:8.30-5                                  amd64        Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime 
> files
> pi  libselinux1:amd64                         2.1.9-5                                   amd64        SELinux runtime shared libraries
> pi  libuuid1:amd64                            2.20.1-5.3                                amd64        Universally Unique ID library
> pi  zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13                           amd64        compression library - runtime
> 
> What does the leading pi denote?

The first letter denotes the package state, "p" stands for not installed. Second
letter is package selection state, "i" means selected for installation. The
meaning of the fields is in the man-page of dpkg, the meaning of the letters I
took from the aptitude docu.

> 
> I assume I probably need to somehow force the i386 versions of these to be installed?
> 

No, since your task is to return to a pure i386 system. i386 packages don't
depend on amd64 ones.

Now, would you try to get rid of these 20 packages?
A list only of the package names should be doable by

  dpkg -l | awk '/:amd64/ {print $2}'

and if the list looks o.k., now for the brave

  dpkg --purge  $(dpkg -l | awk '/:amd64/ {print $2}')

Does it work? Is "dpkg -C" now silenced?

Regards,
jvp.
<snip>

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#168540 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-04 21:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]
Message-ID<rGoXD-4Gb-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168535
On Saturday 04 June 2016 12:05:01 This wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 16:45:
> > On Saturday 04 June 2016 05:53:17 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >> The aptitude on your system is an older version (on sid it is
> >> 0.8.1),
> >
> > Yes, this is wheezy. 6.8.2 here.
> >
> >> maybe it hasn't the full architecture support.
> >> The dpkg output is reliable, I think. Since in the output of the
> >> dpkg command all amd64 packages have an "ii" at the beginning of
> >> the line, it shows that all your amd64 packages are installed
> >> correctly.
> >>
> >> Then, I'd like to see the output of
> >
> > $>dpkg -C >trash.list, cat trash.list
> > The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which
> > will cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by
> > registering the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
> >  libxdmcp6:amd64      X11 Display Manager Control Protocol library
> >  libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
> >  libxml2:amd64        GNOME XML library
> >  libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
> >  libvorbisfile3:amd64 The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec
> > (High Level AP libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface
> > library runtime libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
> >  libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - krb5
> > GSS-API Mechanism libdbus-glib-1-2:amd64 simple interprocess
> > messaging system (GLib-based shared l libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT
> > Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library libudev0:amd64      
> > libudev shared library
> >  libfontconfig1:amd64 generic font configuration library - runtime
> >  libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
> >  libthai0:amd64       Thai language support library
> >  zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
> >  libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
> >  libasound2:amd64     shared library for ALSA applications
> >  libsqlite3-0:amd64   SQLite 3 shared library
> >  libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
> >  libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
> >  libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
> >  libtiff4:amd64       Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old
> > version) libaudiofile1:amd64  Open-source version of SGI's audiofile
> > library libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries -
> > Support library libcomerr2:amd64     common error description
> > library
> >  libmng1:amd64        Multiple-image Network Graphics library
> >  libacl1:amd64        Access control list shared library
> >  libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
> >  libdatrie1:amd64     Double-array trie library
> >  libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
> >  libjasper1:amd64     JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library
> >  libatk1.0-0:amd64    ATK accessibility toolkit
> >  liblzma5:amd64       XZ-format compression library
> >  libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
> >  torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
> >  libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library -
> > runtime fi liblcms1:amd64       Little CMS color management library
> >  libbz2-1.0:amd64     high-quality block-sorting file compressor
> > library - runt libvorbis0a:amd64    The Vorbis General Audio
> > Compression Codec (Decoder libra gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU
> > Compiler Collection (base package) libavahi-client3:amd64 Avahi
> > client library
> >  libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
> >  libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
> >  libevent-2.0-5:amd64 Asynchronous event notification library
> >  libsm6:amd64         X11 Session Management library
> >  libpng12-0:amd64     PNG library - runtime
> >  libhunspell-1.3-0:amd64 spell checker and morphological analyzer
> > (shared library) libstdc++6:amd64     GNU Standard C++ Library v3
> >  libglib2.0-0:amd64   GLib library of C routines
> >  libkrb5-3:amd64      MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
> >  libxau6:amd64        X11 authorisation library
> >
> > 55 lines according to wc -l
> >
> > So I did that by copy paste but some had dependencies, when that was
> > done, a fresh
>
> You did what? Adding the architecture?

No, dpkg cannot remove it, claiming the database is locked/busy this 
after a fresh reboot, so I edited it back out of the arch file with 
a text editor, restoring it to its original i386 only condition, 
then had synaptic do a reload.

> > dpkg -C generated this trash.list2:
> >
> > The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which
> > will cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by
> > registering the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
> >  libfreetype6:amd64   FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
> >  libdbus-1-3:amd64    simple interprocess messaging system (library)
> >  libffi5:amd64        Foreign Function Interface library runtime
> >  libuuid1:amd64       Universally Unique ID library
> >  libk5crypto3:amd64   MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto
> > Library libogg0:amd64        Ogg bitstream library
> >  zlib1g:amd64         compression library - runtime
> >  libgcc1:amd64        GCC support library
> >  libkeyutils1:amd64   Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
> >  libjbig0:amd64       JBIGkit libraries
> >  libattr1:amd64       Extended attribute shared library
> >  libkrb5support0:amd64 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Support
> > library libcomerr2:amd64     common error description library
> >  libjpeg8:amd64       Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
> >  libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
> >  libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
> >  torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor
> >  libpcre3:amd64       Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library -
> > runtime fi gcc-4.7-base:amd64   GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection
> > (base package) libice6:amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange
> > library
> >  libselinux1:amd64    SELinux runtime shared libraries
> >
> > Which are being held due to dependencies.
> >
> >> You said it showed 60 package names in error all tagged :amd64.
> >> These are not shown in the list generated by "dpkg -l | grep
> >> ':amd64'". They should be taken care of first by purging them all
> >> together. I don't remember the output format. The idea is to
> >> generate a command to extract the package names from this and feed
> >> it to dpkg --purge.
> >
> > The output format is a mess, wc -l says 20, and word wrap is off,
> > long lines pi  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                        4.7.2-5    
> >                               amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler
> > Collection (base package) pi  libattr1:amd64                        
> >    1:2.4.46-8                                amd64        Extended
> > attribute shared library pi  libavahi-common-data:amd64             
> >   0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi
> > common data files pi  libavahi-common3:amd64                   
> > 0.6.31-2                                  amd64        Avahi common
> > library pi  libcomerr2:amd64                         
> > 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1                         amd64        common error
> > description library pi  libdbus-1-3:amd64                        
> > 1.6.8-1+deb7u6                            amd64        simple
> > interprocess messaging system (library) pi  libffi5:amd64           
> >                  3.0.10-3                                  amd64    
> >    Foreign Function Interface library runtime pi  libfreetype6:amd64
> >                        2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3                         
> > amd64        FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files pi 
> > libgcc1:amd64                             1:4.7.2-5                 
> >                amd64        GCC support library pi  libice6:amd64   
> >                          2:1.0.8-2                                
> > amd64        X11 Inter-Client Exchange library pi  libjbig0:amd64   
> >                         2.0-2+deb7u1                             
> > amd64        JBIGkit libraries pi  libjpeg8:amd64                   
> >         8d-1+deb7u1                               amd64       
> > Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library pi  libk5crypto3:amd64
> >                        1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7                     
> > amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library pi 
> > libkeyutils1:amd64                        1.5.5-3+deb7u1            
> >                amd64        Linux Key Management Utilities (library)
> > pi  libkrb5support0:amd64                     1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u7  
> >                    amd64        MIT Kerberos runtime libraries -
> > Support library pi  libogg0:amd64                            
> > 1.3.0-4                                   amd64        Ogg bitstream
> > library pi  libpcre3:amd64                            1:8.30-5      
> >                            amd64        Perl 5 Compatible Regular
> > Expression Library - runtime files
> > pi  libselinux1:amd64                         2.1.9-5               
> >                    amd64        SELinux runtime shared libraries pi 
> > libuuid1:amd64                            2.20.1-5.3                
> >                amd64        Universally Unique ID library pi 
> > zlib1g:amd64                              1:1.2.7.dfsg-13           
> >                amd64        compression library - runtime
> >
> > What does the leading pi denote?
>
> The first letter denotes the package state, "p" stands for not
> installed. Second letter is package selection state, "i" means
> selected for installation. The meaning of the fields is in the
> man-page of dpkg, the meaning of the letters I took from the aptitude
> docu.

I see.  Thanks.

> > I assume I probably need to somehow force the i386 versions of these
> > to be installed?
>
> No, since your task is to return to a pure i386 system. i386 packages
> don't depend on amd64 ones.
>
> Now, would you try to get rid of these 20 packages?
> A list only of the package names should be doable by
>
>   dpkg -l | awk '/:amd64/ {print $2}'
>
> and if the list looks o.k., now for the brave

>   dpkg --purge  $(dpkg -l | awk '/:amd64/ {print $2}')
>
> Does it work? Is "dpkg -C" now silenced?

Almost, one leftover I don't recall ever installing because I've never 
used/played with tor, but I wind up with this, clipped from that 
screen from the first failure of the above command:[wordwrap off]

Removing libavahi-common-data:amd64 ...
dpkg: warning: while removing libavahi-common-data:amd64, directory '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' not empty so not removed
Removing libkeyutils1:amd64 ...
Purging configuration files for libkeyutils1:amd64 ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Processing triggers for ccache ...
Updating symlinks in /usr/lib/ccache ...

Then I repeated the command in case it would catch it the 2nd time thru:

root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg --purge  $(dpkg -l | awk '/:amd64/ {print $2}')
dpkg: error: --purge needs at least one package name argument

Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];
Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;

Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -C
The following packages have an unknown foreign architecture, which will
cause dependency issues on front-ends. This can be fixed by registering
the foreign architecture with dpkg --add-architecture:
 torsocks             use SOCKS-friendly applications with Tor

root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg --purge torscoks
dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove torscoks which isn't installed

Humm, I can't spell excrement with my nose in it. :(  Never was a flawless
speller.  And these fingers don't always type what I think either.

root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg --purge torsocks
(Reading database ... 421142 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing torsocks ...
Purging configuration files for torsocks ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...

And VOILA! Synaptic is happy and just "upgraded" 4 packages, no idea if 
it was to satisfy the stuff I just nuked, or if they were true updates.
Point is, it works again. :)

> Regards,
> jvp.
> <snip>

This person: Jörg-Volker Peetz, who guided me thru this, deserves to 
wear the Wizard hat from the Alley Oop cartoon, it is a well earned
honor.  I know he labored to get the awk stuff to work correctly, and for
that, deserves a diabetic safe hand cooler, in glass, no alzheimers 
creating alu, should he get to WV before I fall over the last time.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168543 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-04 22:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]
Message-ID<rGqd3-5C0-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168540
I'm glad it worked for you.
Now I'm just curious what

  aptitude search '~c'

spits out now.

Regards,
jvp.

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#168545 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-04 23:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]
Message-ID<rGqZr-66O-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168543
On Saturday 04 June 2016 16:12:30 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> I'm glad it worked for you.
> Now I'm just curious what
>
>   aptitude search '~c'
>
> spits out now.
>
> Regards,
> jvp.

A rather lengthy list I'll paste, wordwrap off again:

root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# aptitude search ~c
c   brasero                                                                           - CD/DVD burning application for GNOME                                                        
c   brasero-common                                                                    - Common files for the Brasero CD burning application and library                             
c   browser-plugin-gnash                                                              - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player - Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives                       
c   desktop-base                                                                      - common files for the Debian Desktop                                                         
c   dolphin                                                                           - file manager                                                                                
c   exfalso                                                                           - audio tag editor for GTK+                                                                   
c   flashplugin-nonfree                                                               - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin                                                         
c   gnash                                                                             - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player                                                            
c   gnash-cygnal                                                                      - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player - Media server                                             
c   gnome-accessibility-themes                                                        - Accessibility themes for the GNOME desktop                                                  
c   kaffeine                                                                          - versatile media player for KDE                                                              
c   kaffeine-trinity                                                                  - versatile media player for TDE                                                              
c   kde-baseapps-bin                                                                  - core binaries for the KDE base applications                                                 
c   kmplayer-trinity                                                                  - media player for Trinity                                                                    
c   konq-plugins                                                                      - plugins for Konqueror, the KDE file/web/document browser                                    
c   libappindicator1                                                                  - allow applications to export a menu into the panel                                          
c   libarts1-xine-trinity                                                             - aRts plugin enabling xine support                                                           
c   libboost-date-time1.49.0                                                          - set of date-time libraries based on generic programming concepts                            
c   libboost-filesystem1.49.0                                                         - filesystem operations (portable paths, iteration over directories, 
etc) in C++              
c   libboost-serialization1.49.0                                                      - serialization library for C++                                                               
c   libboost-system1.49.0                                                             - Operating system (e.g. diagnostics support) library                                         
c   libboost-thread1.49.0                                                             - portable C++ multi-threading                                                                
c   libbrasero-media3-1                                                               - CD/DVD burning library for GNOME - runtime                                                  
c   libburn4                                                                          - library to provide CD/DVD writing functions                                                 
c   libcheese-gtk21                                                                   - tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam - widgets                                 
c   libcheese3                                                                        - tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam - base library                            
c   libchromaprint0                                                                   - audio fingerprint library                                                                   
c   libclamav6                                                                        - anti-virus utility for Unix - library                                                       
c   libclutter-1.0-0                                                                  - Open GL based interactive canvas library                                                    
c   libclutter-gst-1.0-0                                                              - Open GL based interactive canvas library GStreamer elements                                 
c   libclutter-gtk-1.0-0                                                              - Open GL based interactive canvas library GTK+ widget                                        
c   libclutter-imcontext-0.1-0                                                        - Open GL based interactive canvas library IMContext framework                                
c   libcluttergesture-0.0.2-0                                                         - Open GL based interactive canvas library Gesture framework                                  
c   libcogl-pango0                                                                    - Object oriented GL/GLES Abstraction/Utility Layer                                           
c   libcogl9                                                                          - Object oriented GL/GLES Abstraction/Utility Layer                                           
c   libdbusmenu-glib4                                                                 - library for passing menus over DBus                                                         
c   libdbusmenu-gtk4                                                                  - library for passing menus over DBus - GTK+ version                                          
c   libfam0                                                                           - Client library to control the FAM daemon                                                    
c   libfame-0.9-1                                                                     - Video encoding library - runtime files.                                                     
c   libgarcon-1-0                                                                     - freedesktop.org compliant menu implementation for Xfce                                      
c   libgarcon-common                                                                  - common files for libgarcon menu implementation                                              
c   libgee2                                                                           - GObject based collection library                                                            
c   libgmime-2.6-0                                                                    - MIME message parser and creator library - runtime                                           
c   libgnome-desktop-3-2                                                              - Utility library for loading .desktop files - runtime files                                  
c   libindicate-gtk3                                                                  - library for raising indicators via DBus - GTK+ bindings                                     
c   libindicate5                                                                      - library for raising indicators via DBus                                                     
c   libindicator7                                                                     - panel indicator applet - shared library                                                     
c   libisofs6                                                                         - library to create ISO9660 images                                                            
c   libjson-glib-1.0-0                                                                - GLib JSON manipulation library                                                              
c   libjte1                                                                           - Jigdo Template Export - runtime library                                                     
c   libkeybinder0                                                                     - registers global key bindings for applications                                              
c   libkonq5abi1                                                                      - core libraries for Konqueror                                                                
c   libkonqsidebarplugin4a                                                            - konqueror sidebar plugin library                                                            
c   liblightdm-gobject-1-0                                                            - simple display manager (gobject library)                                                    
c   liblockdev1                                                                       - Run-time shared library for locking devices                                                 
c   libmx-1.0-2                                                                       - toolkit for the Moblin user experience                                                      
c   libquvi7                                                                          - library for parsing video download links (runtime libraries)                                
c   libreoffice-filter-binfilter                                                      - office productivity suite -- legacy filters (e.g. StarOffice 5.2)                           
c   libtagc0                                                                          - audio meta-data library - C bindings                                                        
c   libtar0                                                                           - C library for manipulating tar archives                                                     
c   libthunar-vfs-1-2                                                                 - Legacy VFS abstraction used in Xfce                                                         
c   libthunarx-2-0                                                                    - extension library for thunar                                                                
c   libtotem-plparser17                                                               - Totem Playlist Parser library - runtime files                                               
c   libtracker-sparql-0.14-0                                                          - metadata database, indexer and search tool - library                                        
c   libtumbler-1-0                                                                    - library for tumbler, a D-Bus thumbnailing service                                           
c   libunique-1.0-0                                                                   - Library for writing single instance applications - shared libraries                         
c   libwnck22                                                                         - Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files                                           
c   libxcb-composite0                                                                 - X C Binding, composite extension                                                            
c   libxcb-keysyms1                                                                   - utility libraries for X C Binding -- keysyms                                                
c   libxcb-randr0                                                                     - X C Binding, randr extension                                                                
c   libxcb-xfixes0                                                                    - X C Binding, xfixes extension                                                               
c   libxcb-xv0                                                                        - X C Binding, xv extension                                                                   
c   libxfce4ui-1-0                                                                    - widget library for Xfce                                                                     
c   libxfcegui4-4                                                                     - Basic GUI C functions for Xfce4                                                             
c   libxfconf-0-2                                                                     - Client library for Xfce4 configure interface                                                
c   libxine1-bin                                                                      - Xine video/media player library, binary files                                               
c   libxklavier16                                                                     - X Keyboard Extension high-level API                                                         
c   libxml++2.6-2                                                                     - C++ interface to the GNOME XML library (libxml2)                                            
c   libxres1                                                                          - X11 Resource extension library                                                              
c   lightdm                                                                           - simple display manager                                                                      
c   lightdm-gtk-greeter                                                               - simple display manager (GTK+ greeter)                                                       
c   linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae                                                    - Linux 3.2 for modern PCs, PREEMPT_RT                                                        
c   linuxcnc                                                                          - PC based motion controller for real-time Linux                                              
c   network-manager                                                                   - network management framework (daemon and userspace tools)                                   
c   network-manager-gnome                                                             - network management framework (GNOME frontend)                                               
c   quodlibet                                                                         - audio library manager and player for GTK+                                                   
c   spacefm-gtk3                                                                      - Multi-panel tabbed file manager - GTK3 version                                              
c   squeeze                                                                           - modern and advanced archive manager for Xfce                                                
c   thunar                                                                            - File Manager for Xfce                                                                       
c   thunar-data                                                                       - Provides thunar documentation, icons and translations                                       
c   thunar-volman                                                                     - Thunar extension for volumes management                                                     
c   update-notifier                                                                   - Daemon which notifies about package updates                                                 
c   update-notifier-common                                                            - Files shared between update-notifier and adept                                              
c   user-setup                                                                        - Set up initial user and password                                                            
c   vlc                                                                               - multimedia player and streamer                                                              
c   xfce-keyboard-shortcuts                                                           - xfce keyboard shortcuts configuration                                                       
c   xfce4-appfinder                                                                   - Application finder for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment                                        
c   xfce4-clipman                                                                     - clipboard history utility                                                                   
c   xfce4-mixer                                                                       - Xfce mixer application                                                                      
c   xfce4-notes                                                                       - Notes application for the Xfce4 desktop                                                     
c   xfce4-panel                                                                       - panel for Xfce4 desktop environment                                                         
c   xfce4-power-manager                                                               - power manager for Xfce desktop                                                              
c   xfce4-session                                                                     - Xfce4 Session Manager                                                                       
c   xfce4-settings                                                                    - graphical application for managing Xfce settings                                            
c   xfce4-utils                                                                       - Various tools for Xfce                                                                      
c   xfce4-volumed                                                                     - volume keys daemon                                                                          
c   xfdesktop4                                                                        - xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager                                        
c   xfprint4                                                                          - Printer GUI for Xfce4                                                                       
c   xfwm4                                                                             - window manager of the Xfce project 

That's all folks!  Thanks JVP.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168546 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]

FromJörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de>
Date2016-06-04 23:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]
Message-ID<rGrCa-6jL-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168545
Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 23:02:
> On Saturday 04 June 2016 16:12:30 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> I'm glad it worked for you.
>> Now I'm just curious what
>>
>>   aptitude search '~c'
>>
>> spits out now.
>>
>> Regards,
>> jvp.
> 
> A rather lengthy list I'll paste, wordwrap off again:
> 
> root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# aptitude search ~c
> c   brasero                                                                           - CD/DVD burning application for GNOME                                                        
> c   brasero-common                                                                    - Common files for the Brasero CD burning application and library                             
> c   browser-plugin-gnash                                                              - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player - Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives                       

<snip>

> c   xfdesktop4                                                                        - xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager                                        
> c   xfprint4                                                                          - Printer GUI for Xfce4                                                                       
> c   xfwm4                                                                             - window manager of the Xfce project 
> 
> That's all folks!  Thanks JVP.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
All these remnants of previously installed packages can be safely removed from
your system in my opinion.
If you prefer dpkg, try

  dpkg --purge --pending

Or heavier, using aptitude

  aptitude purge '~c'

but this could try to remove also other automatically installed packages which
are not needed by any other package. To get a list of such candidates use

  aptitude search '~g'

"g" like garbage.

Regards,
jvp.

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#168550 — Re: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2016-06-05 03:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Pursuant to my efforts to remove, and update the remaining :amd64 built packages [SOLVED]
Message-ID<rGuTn-aO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#168546
On Saturday 04 June 2016 17:49:02 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/04/16 23:02:
> > On Saturday 04 June 2016 16:12:30 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >> I'm glad it worked for you.
> >> Now I'm just curious what
> >>
> >>   aptitude search '~c'
> >>
> >> spits out now.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> jvp.
> >
> > A rather lengthy list I'll paste, wordwrap off again:
> >
> > root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# aptitude search ~c
> > c   brasero                                                         
> >                  - CD/DVD burning application for GNOME c  
> > brasero-common                                                      
> >              - Common files for the Brasero CD burning application
> > and library c   browser-plugin-gnash                                
> >                              - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player -
> > Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives
>
> <snip>
>
> > c   xfdesktop4                                                      
> >                  - xfce desktop background, icons and root menu
> > manager c   xfprint4                                                
> >                          - Printer GUI for Xfce4 c   xfwm4          
> >                                                                   -
> > window manager of the Xfce project
> >
> > That's all folks!  Thanks JVP.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> All these remnants of previously installed packages can be safely
> removed from your system in my opinion.
> If you prefer dpkg, try
>
>   dpkg --purge --pending
>
Failed, libpixman1.0 has deps from the xorg.server
root@coyote:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg --purge --pending
dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libpixman-1-0:i386:
 xserver-xorg-video-intel depends on libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.21.6).
 libpixman-1-dev depends on libpixman-1-0 (= 0.26.0-4+deb7u2).
 xserver-xorg-core depends on libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.21.6).
 libcairo2:i386 depends on libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.21.6).

dpkg: error processing libpixman-1-0:i386 (--purge):
 dependency problems - not removing
Errors were encountered while processing:
 libpixman-1-0:i386

> Or heavier, using aptitude
>
>   aptitude purge '~c'

And that wants to behead the system, removing quite a few packages I use 
frequently, so I gave it a 'n'.
>
> but this could try to remove also other automatically installed
> packages which are not needed by any other package. To get a list of
> such candidates use
>
>   aptitude search '~g'

And that returns an equally lengthy list, all prefaced with an 'id'.  No 
clue what that means as I don't believe I have the reference manual.
>
> "g" like garbage.
>
> Regards,
> jvp.

Thanks JVP.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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