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  First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 05:20 +0200
    Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Alexandre GRIVEAUX <agriveaux@deutnet.info> - 2016-06-05 09:50 +0200
      Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 11:50 +0200
        Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 12:50 +0200
          Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 16:10 +0200
            Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 18:10 +0200
              Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 21:50 +0200
              Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 00:40 +0200
                Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Norbert Kiszka <norbert@linux.pl> - 2016-06-06 00:50 +0200
                Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 04:00 +0200
                  Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 22:20 +0200
                    Re: First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-08 03:30 +0200

#168554 — First hint as to why kaffeine won't rx tv

Greetings all;

Running it from the cli, I fand a channel scan is 100% errors because it 
cannot tune a tuner it knows nothing about, in this case the "Oren 
OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend", and there apparently is nothing of that 
package even installed.  Nor is it findable in the repo's.

This is the support stuff for the pcHDTV3000 tv card.

This is not in the package supplied with the card, and never was, but its 
been part of the kernel since Hectors grandpa was a puppy!

Is there some reason it is not part of the kernel install on debian?  It 
has been present and usable in every distro I had installed for at least 
a decade.

Why not debian?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168557

Hi,

Maybe a firmware you need ?
Maybe found inside firmware-linux-nonfree.

Le 05/06/2016 05:16, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> Greetings all;
>
> Running it from the cli, I fand a channel scan is 100% errors because it 
> cannot tune a tuner it knows nothing about, in this case the "Oren 
> OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend", and there apparently is nothing of that 
> package even installed.  Nor is it findable in the repo's.
>
> This is the support stuff for the pcHDTV3000 tv card.
>
> This is not in the package supplied with the card, and never was, but its 
> been part of the kernel since Hectors grandpa was a puppy!
>
> Is there some reason it is not part of the kernel install on debian?  It 
> has been present and usable in every distro I had installed for at least 
> a decade.
>
> Why not debian?
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

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#168562

On Sunday 05 June 2016 03:02:10 Alexandre GRIVEAUX wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Maybe a firmware you need ?
> Maybe found inside firmware-linux-nonfree.
>
That entry seems to be empty.

However, I did find it. 3 files from the tarball from pchdtv.com,  were, 
when it was last built in Feb 2005, that are supposed to be put 
in /lib/hotplug/firmware, are now, like all their ilk, in /lib/firmware 
as 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12772 Feb 25 22:46 dvb-fe-or51132-qam.fw
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17532 Feb 25 22:47 dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw

I now believe I have all the modules showing in an lsmod:
gene@coyote:/lib/firmware$ lsmod |grep tuner -
tuner_simple           21273  2 
tuner_types            16409  1 tuner_simple
tuner                  25658  2 
v4l2_common            12995  3 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx
videodev              130540  4 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx,v4l2_common
i2c_core               50108  17 
drm,cx88_dvb,tuner,drm_kms_helper,tda8290,tda9887,i2c_algo_bit,cx88_vp3054_i2c,cx8800,cx88xx,v4l2_common,tveeprom,nouveau,tuner_simple,or51132,i2c_nforce2,videodev

And I was able to modprobe the or51132.ko from the kernel tree, but that 
made no difference in the reported error.  Which is:

Using DVB device 0:0 "Oren OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend"
tuning ATSC to 57028000
inv:2 mod:7
ERROR tuning
: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Frontend closed
dvbsi: Cant tune DVB

For each channel in the Atsc us table, in this case shown, channel 2, 
wash, rinse, repeat for all other channels.  This is running a channel 
scan from kaffeine.  The channel scan, if kaffeine was launched from a 
bash shell, also runs at a higher rate such that even if the 
command "ioctl" was correct, the error comes back and cancels the 5 
second timeout in approximately .75 seconds, no where near enough time 
for this card to achieve a signal lock and show a picture.

I know this worked in the previous ubu 10-04 LTS's version of kaffeine, 
8.6 IIRC, and this is 8.7 and doesn't work.

pcHDTV's own dtvscan does work, finding all the local on air channels and 
reporting their signal strength ok. All the rest of the test utils that 
came on the cd, dtvsnr and dtvsignal also work as expected.  But even if 
I feed kaffeine with the data that should at least tune it, no signal is 
detected because the console has logged that same error as above, but 
for channel 5.
xawtv's scanner, wscan also failed but for other reasons I don't have in 
the bash history now, and since it was junk I had it removed.

Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine now.  But 
its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on wheezy at 
what could be considered this late date.  Or has someone else done that, 
and found a fix?

[...]

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168565

On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine now.

Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?

> But 
> its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on wheezy at
> what could be considered this late date.

You can't.  Security fixes only.

Lisi

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#168574

On Sunday 05 June 2016 06:49:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine now.
>
> Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?

Yes.

> > But
> > its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on
> > wheezy at what could be considered this late date.
>
> You can't.  Security fixes only.

How about tickling the TDE developers?
>
> Lisi


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168585

On Sunday 05 June 2016 15:00:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 06:49:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine now.
> >
> > Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?
>
> Yes.
>
> > > But
> > > its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on
> > > wheezy at what could be considered this late date.
> >
> > You can't.  Security fixes only.
>
> How about tickling the TDE developers?

Worth a try - but there are very few of them, and Wheezy is probably not their 
priority either.  I'll try to understand your problem - I haven't really - 
and test it in Jessie.  But you'll need to tickle me later in the week. :-(  
If it is present in Jessie too, or if it is easy, then they will probably do 
something.  (As you are using 14.0.4 it is probably worth anyway making sure 
that Slávek knows.)

Cheers,
Lisi

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#168595

On Sunday 05 June 2016 12:00:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 05 June 2016 15:00:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 06:49:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine
> > > > now.
> > >
> > > Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > > But
> > > > its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on
> > > > wheezy at what could be considered this late date.
> > >
> > > You can't.  Security fixes only.
> >
> > How about tickling the TDE developers?
>
> Worth a try - but there are very few of them, and Wheezy is probably
> not their priority either.  I'll try to understand your problem - I
> haven't really - and test it in Jessie.  But you'll need to tickle me
> later in the week. :-( If it is present in Jessie too, or if it is
> easy, then they will probably do something.  (As you are using 14.0.4
> it is probably worth anyway making sure that Slávek knows.)

He is not copying the mail of this list? I was under the impression that 
he was, so he could grease the loudest squeak. :)

We've just had our last wheezy update, but at this point I believe jessie 
would also have this problem, with this card.  I have no idea how much 
longer it will take to make a fully functional, actually runs machinery, 
version of a later jessie kernel.  That kernel will likely be a 32 bit 
kernel because a context switch on 64 bit is 4x longer than a 32 bit 
version, and those realtime patches also kill any PAE functions it might 
claim.  And each new kernel seems to have less and less concern for its 
effects on realtime performance, I think by the time jessie is EOL'd, 
that we will all be forced to disconnect from the network and freeze our 
systems that are doing stepper motors direct from the rapidly 
disappearing parport, or we will all have to buy more copies of an FPGA 
card that offloads the realtime stuff from the kernel, as long as we can 
get a 1 millisecond loop to oversee what the machine is doing and issue 
corrective orders to the card.  The card I am using 2 of ATM is about 
$90, so its not a back-breaker, and it can run my machines faster and 
smoother to boot.

Regards, Lisi.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168604

Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 05 June 2016 15:00:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Sunday 05 June 2016 06:49:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > > Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine now.
>> >
>> > Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > > But
>> > > its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on
>> > > wheezy at what could be considered this late date.
>> >
>> > You can't.  Security fixes only.
>>
>> How about tickling the TDE developers?
> 
> Worth a try - but there are very few of them, and Wheezy is probably not
> their
> priority either.  I'll try to understand your problem - I haven't really -
> and test it in Jessie.  But you'll need to tickle me later in the week.
> :-( If it is present in Jessie too, or if it is easy, then they will
> probably do
> something.  (As you are using 14.0.4 it is probably worth anyway making
> sure that Slávek knows.)
> 
> Cheers,
> Lisi

If there is a program that works on your pc with the dvb card, it means all
is fine. You just need to find the program that works, so ... just matter
of time to watch tv on the pc.

You can try VLC and KMplayer. Kaffeine is Xine in the back AFAIR and it
changed, so that its already incompat or kaffeine in trinity needs to be
updated.

xawtv never worked except for teletext.

I've been never able to use Analog and DVB-T with other program than kplayer
(the KDE3 version 0.6 branch).
For that reason and because I got used to it and loved it that much I ported
to new TDE and uploaded the code - I think it was accepted and may be out
with 14.1.

Until 2012 when I was living in the city I was using first the Analog and
then DVB-T. For DVB-T I had to provide the list with local stations
somewhere in the config of kplayer (I thing it was as option to mplayer)
and they (the channels) appeared in the select list. Unfortunately we moved
out and there is no good signal here, so we stopped watching TV - and we
feel even better now :)

regards

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#168605

Dnia 2016-06-06, pon o godzinie 00:35 +0200, deloptes pisze:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 15:00:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Sunday 05 June 2016 06:49:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > > Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine now.
> >> >
> >> > Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> > > But
> >> > > its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on
> >> > > wheezy at what could be considered this late date.
> >> >
> >> > You can't.  Security fixes only.
> >>
> >> How about tickling the TDE developers?
> > 
> > Worth a try - but there are very few of them, and Wheezy is probably not
> > their
> > priority either.  I'll try to understand your problem - I haven't really -
> > and test it in Jessie.  But you'll need to tickle me later in the week.
> > :-( If it is present in Jessie too, or if it is easy, then they will
> > probably do
> > something.  (As you are using 14.0.4 it is probably worth anyway making
> > sure that Slávek knows.)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Lisi
> 
> If there is a program that works on your pc with the dvb card, it means all
> is fine. You just need to find the program that works, so ... just matter
> of time to watch tv on the pc.
> 
> You can try VLC and KMplayer. Kaffeine is Xine in the back AFAIR and it
> changed, so that its already incompat or kaffeine in trinity needs to be
> updated.
> 
> xawtv never worked except for teletext.
> 
> I've been never able to use Analog and DVB-T with other program than kplayer
> (the KDE3 version 0.6 branch).
> For that reason and because I got used to it and loved it that much I ported
> to new TDE and uploaded the code - I think it was accepted and may be out
> with 14.1.
> 
> Until 2012 when I was living in the city I was using first the Analog and
> then DVB-T. For DVB-T I had to provide the list with local stations
> somewhere in the config of kplayer (I thing it was as option to mplayer)
> and they (the channels) appeared in the select list. Unfortunately we moved
> out and there is no good signal here, so we stopped watching TV - and we
> feel even better now :)
> 
> regards
> 

There was kdetv in kde3 but likely is not supported right now :(

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#168607

On Sunday 05 June 2016 18:35:34 deloptes wrote:

> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 15:00:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Sunday 05 June 2016 06:49:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 10:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > > Based on that, I am pointing my finger at the newer kaffeine
> >> > > now.
> >> >
> >> > Kaffeine-Trinity, I take it?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> > > But
> >> > > its been years since I've filed a bug. No clue how to do it on
> >> > > wheezy at what could be considered this late date.
> >> >
> >> > You can't.  Security fixes only.
> >>
> >> How about tickling the TDE developers?
> >
> > Worth a try - but there are very few of them, and Wheezy is probably
> > not their
> > priority either.  I'll try to understand your problem - I haven't
> > really - and test it in Jessie.  But you'll need to tickle me later
> > in the week.
> >
> > :-( If it is present in Jessie too, or if it is easy, then they will
> >
> > probably do
> > something.  (As you are using 14.0.4 it is probably worth anyway
> > making sure that Slávek knows.)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lisi
>
> If there is a program that works on your pc with the dvb card, it
> means all is fine. You just need to find the program that works, so
> ... just matter of time to watch tv on the pc.
>
> You can try VLC and KMplayer. Kaffeine is Xine in the back AFAIR and
> it changed, so that its already incompat or kaffeine in trinity needs
> to be updated.
>
> xawtv never worked except for teletext.
>
> I've been never able to use Analog and DVB-T with other program than
> kplayer (the KDE3 version 0.6 branch).
> For that reason and because I got used to it and loved it that much I
> ported to new TDE and uploaded the code - I think it was accepted and
> may be out with 14.1.
>
> Until 2012 when I was living in the city I was using first the Analog
> and then DVB-T. For DVB-T I had to provide the list with local
> stations somewhere in the config of kplayer (I thing it was as option
> to mplayer) and they (the channels) appeared in the select list.
> Unfortunately we moved out and there is no good signal here, so we
> stopped watching TV - and we feel even better now :)
>
> regards

Chuckle, point taken.  I don't watch very much of it these days, but 
spent from 1963  to 2002/06/30 keeping several tv stations on the air in 
engineering positions up to Chief Engineer from 1977 on to retirement.  
This was not pushing paper, but getting my hands dirty fixing anything 
that broke.  I have what used to be a 1st phone, till the commission 
threw us under the bus and gunned it away, but the most impressive card 
in my wallet yet, is a C.E.T. card.  Certified Electronics Technician.  
Registered in Nebraska as #116 in the state.  Several of the state 
schools have programs that culminate in taking the test but few actually 
pass, IMO from inadequate teaching staff.  When I went to test in 1972, 
I never cracked a book, walked in cold & walked out with a Journeyman 
level card since my electronics history in 1972 was already 24 years in 
the field. They give 4 hrs to do the test, I had an upset tummy, likely 
from that years flu, so I was on the throne 3 times in about the 1:30 it 
took to fill in the blocks for 125 questions.  Handing in the test 
sheets, the profs eyebowes went up an inch as he didn't think any one 
could do it that quick.  Said you have lots more time & I said I had 
work to do and that was as good as I could do on short notice.  The went 
up another inch when he dropped the grade check sheet on it and only 2 
weren't black.

I have in the past, had fun with the frogs (with EE's on the office wall) 
standing around telling me it can't be done, while I am busy doing it.  
The looks on their faces when they understand that I did do as I said, 
and it worked, was like Mastercard, priceless.  But today, thats just 
living in the past, darn it.  I never dreamed I'd live this long, but it 
sure was a fun ride when my body was able to enjoy it.

Best Regards, Deloptes.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168664

Gene Heskett wrote:

> 
> Chuckle, point taken.  I don't watch very much of it these days, but
...
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

This was a good story. I hope you fixed your dvb driver

regards

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#168674

On Tuesday 07 June 2016 16:15:43 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Chuckle, point taken.  I don't watch very much of it these days, but
>
> ...
>
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> This was a good story. I hope you fixed your dvb driver
>
> regards

Not yet.  I know just enough C to be dangerous, assembly on an RCA 1802, 
or a Hitachi HD63C09EP, some basic09 (runs on that same cpu), and have 
carved up some quite usefull wrappers for this and that in bash.  But 
don't use the word guru and my name in the same paragraph.  It would not 
grok at all.

What I am hoping for is to get the attention of the person that broke it, 
but doesn't know he did.  Yet...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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