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  libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 12:10 +0200
    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-06-03 12:50 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 13:30 +0200
    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:10 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 13:40 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-03 17:00 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-03 18:30 +0200
    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-05 11:20 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 11:50 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-05 12:00 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 16:00 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 18:00 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 20:20 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 21:40 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-05 19:00 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 21:50 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2016-06-06 15:20 +0200
              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 16:20 +0200
                Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2016-06-06 18:00 +0200
                  Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 19:20 +0200
                    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 20:00 +0200
                      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:00 +0200
                        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 20:20 +0200
                          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:50 +0200
                            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 21:10 +0200
                              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 21:20 +0200
                      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-06 23:00 +0200
                        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-07 10:20 +0200
                          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-07 16:00 +0200
                            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-07 17:20 +0200
                              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-07 20:00 +0200
                                Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-08 08:50 +0200
                                  Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-08 15:50 +0200
                                    Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-09 11:40 +0200
                                      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-09 18:10 +0200
                                        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-06-09 22:40 +0200
                                          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-10 00:10 +0200
                                            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-06-10 00:10 +0200
                                              Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-10 01:40 +0200
      Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-05 19:20 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-06-05 19:30 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-05 19:40 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 22:10 +0200
            Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-06-06 10:00 +0200
        Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-06-05 22:00 +0200
          Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-06-05 22:30 +0200

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#168469 — libreCAD, can't find help docs

Greetings all;

Wheezy, i386.

libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it 
cannot find its help docs.

I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.

Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168471

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On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:59:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> Wheezy, i386.
> 
> libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it 
> cannot find its help docs.
> 
> I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> 
> Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?

Hmmm. Looking at the package files (e.g. [1]), the manual page is the
only thing which looks like documentation.

Have you tried "man librecad"?

regards

[1] <https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/librecad/filelist>

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#168474

On Friday 03 June 2016 06:43:23 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:59:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
> > it cannot find its help docs.
> >
> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>
> Hmmm. Looking at the package files (e.g. [1]), the manual page is the
> only thing which looks like documentation.
>
> Have you tried "man librecad"?

Now, yes, its about a 6 line manpage that points 
to /usr/share/doc/librecad, which contains a changelog.gz, copyright, 
(std gpl2+) and the last file there is the README.debian and it is a 5 
line file.  Pretty thin in other words.  Their web page mentions 
downloading the librecad-doc file, but no links to it.

> regards
>
> [1] <https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/librecad/filelist>
>
> -- t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168472

On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> Wheezy, i386.
>
> libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it
> cannot find its help docs.
>
> I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
>
> Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual

GIYF??? ;-)

Lisi

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#168475

On Friday 03 June 2016 07:03:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
> > it cannot find its help docs.
> >
> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
>
> GIYF??? ;-)
>
That, sadly, is for version 2.0, apparently much more capable than the 
version in the repo's which is 1.07, and 6 years old.
I tried to install freecad as I have some experience with it on *buntu 
10-04 LTS, but that blew up my database and I now have about 70 :amd64 
files installed on an i386 system.  And neither synaptic nor dpkg will 
let me fix it.  See my other msg this morning.

I may have to see if I can upodate to jessie yet. In which case I do it 
as amd64 as I believe the linuxcnc simulation will run on it.  The real 
thing will not, the amd64 latency is horrible.  But the simulator is 
running on an amd64 kernel right now.

root@coyote:/var/cache/apt/archives# uname -a
Linux coyote 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1 
(2016-04-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux

And its happy as a clam.

Thank Lisi.
> Lisi


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168494

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:24 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Friday 03 June 2016 07:03:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:  
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > Wheezy, i386.
> > >
> > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > but it cannot find its help docs.
> > >
> > > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> > >
> > > Thanks all.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett  
> >
> > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
> > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> >
> > GIYF??? ;-)
> >  
> That, sadly, is for version 2.0, apparently much more capable than
> the version in the repo's which is 1.07, and 6 years old.

It's worth trying to run the current version (2.0.9) on Sid if you can
organise it. It's still a bit buggy, but is improving fast with each
version. Older versions were *much* worse. I also use a Windows version
in emergencies, but that doesn't seem able to produce hard copy, or
even graphics files, so is presumably a slightly older version.

I used to use qcad, from [the community/free version of] which librecad
was forked, and as far as I recall, the basics were very similar. Qcad
still exists, but I believe the writers were not willing to port the
free version to QT4, hence the fork. It took a while for the librecad
people to sort out some really, really gross artefacts of the porting.
Serious use of the zoom required 'great peace of mind'.

I'd have thought that the 2.0 manual would be near enough to get
started. Layers and drawing primitives are pretty much universal,
things like extend and trim are less intuitive, but I don't think they
have changed much. The philosophy behind copying/moving seems
particularly non-intuitive, but easy once understood.

I don't think even the current version is great at importing other
drawing formats. and 'DXF' seems to be an aspiration rather than a
standard file format.

-- 
Joe

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#168496

On Friday 03 June 2016 10:51:15 Joe wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:24 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > On Friday 03 June 2016 07:03:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Greetings all;
> > > >
> > > > Wheezy, i386.
> > > >
> > > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > > but it cannot find its help docs.
> > > >
> > > > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks all.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > >
> > > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
> > > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> > >
> > > GIYF??? ;-)
> >
> > That, sadly, is for version 2.0, apparently much more capable than
> > the version in the repo's which is 1.07, and 6 years old.
>
> It's worth trying to run the current version (2.0.9) on Sid if you can
> organise it. It's still a bit buggy, but is improving fast with each
> version. Older versions were *much* worse. I also use a Windows
> version in emergencies, but that doesn't seem able to produce hard
> copy, or even graphics files, so is presumably a slightly older
> version.
>
> I used to use qcad, from [the community/free version of] which
> librecad was forked, and as far as I recall, the basics were very
> similar. Qcad still exists, but I believe the writers were not willing
> to port the free version to QT4, hence the fork. It took a while for
> the librecad people to sort out some really, really gross artefacts of
> the porting. Serious use of the zoom required 'great peace of mind'.
>
> I'd have thought that the 2.0 manual would be near enough to get
> started. Layers and drawing primitives are pretty much universal,
> things like extend and trim are less intuitive, but I don't think they
> have changed much. The philosophy behind copying/moving seems
> particularly non-intuitive, but easy once understood.
>
> I don't think even the current version is great at importing other
> drawing formats. and 'DXF' seems to be an aspiration rather than a
> standard file format.

I don't have a preference for output file format, as long as it will 
convert to RS-274-D gcode.  I have a simple little project, I need to 
make a small bar, with two screws to attach it to another piece of the 
same material, in this case 1/2" thick alu, carrying a jack screw in the 
other end of it that can be adjusted to serve as a coggedd belt 
tightening jack, with the screw bridging the space between the top of a 
jackshaft frame I made several years ago, but with when mounted using 
the OEM motor mounts, allows the shaft to rise, slackening the belt 
enough to allow it to hop cogs when heavily loaded.  This allows the 
spindle to stop in just a few degrees of rotation while the driving 
pulley, with a 1 HP motor behind it now, to finish burning up the belt, 
long before I can hit the big yellow kill button.  This lathe is a piece 
of junk from the gitgo, but I'm stuck with it. Its been CNC'd with .001" 
acuracy screws for yonks, and I am hopeing that with the latest changes 
I am making to the drive train, I can reduce the frequency of belt 
burnups.  I have enough other machinery that I can do it without the 
drawings, so its not a do it this way or die situation.

But I would like at some point before I fall over, and I'm north of 80 
already, to master some cad program, preferably full 3d so I can maybe 
make some of this stuff and peddle it on ebay because there are a half a 
million copies of this thing been sold to unsuspecting people who didn't 
know any better, like me 20 years ago. :-)

Thanks Joe.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168560

On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> Wheezy, i386.
>
> libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it 
> cannot find its help docs.

Did you give the built-in help system a try?

> I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
>
> Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#168561

On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:17:13 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
> > it cannot find its help docs.
>
> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>
That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.

> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
Thanks.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168563

On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
>> > it cannot find its help docs.
>>
>> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>>
> That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.

That is really unfair.

All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=librecad

>> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>> >
>> > Thanks all.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> Thanks.
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#168573

On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> >> > but it cannot find its help docs.
> >>
> >> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> >
> > That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.
>
> That is really unfair.

On my part?  Really?  I find entirely too often on linux, that the help 
tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the 
time.  No biggie to the author, he knows how to run his masterpiece, 
can't you figure it out on your own?  Thats good for the soil when its 
found on the ground behind the male of the bovine specie, but not much 
else.

> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
>
> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual

This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is in the 
repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built in 2012.  
So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't really see any 
great amount of progress in bringing the repo version up to the docs 
version. Version 2.0 can apparently export in .svg, and .svg's can be 
assigned a scale and made into GCode without any huge hassle.  But the 
repo version cannot, leaving no easy route from its dxf output to 
something that can carve metal.  So, since I don't see a good tut for 
this, and its not able to export in a file format I can use, I'll 
expunge it and continue my search for something usable.

I had hopes that Dan Heeks would finish heekscad, which had a companion 
heekscnc that could spit out useable code, but he jumped ship to work on 
freecad, but to my knowledge heekscnc was not brought along, so freecad 
has no output format that is machine translateable to rs-274-d, that I 
am aware of.

> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=librecad
>
> >> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks all.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett

Thanks for the links, but they don't fit the code I have.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168584

On Sunday 05 June 2016 14:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
> I find entirely too often on linux, that the help
> tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the
> time.

Well, it's open source, Gene.  Learn how to use it then write the docs.  Or 
pay a technical author to learn how to use it by trial and error, blood sweat 
and tears, and then write the docs.  I know a good one, who would I am sure, 
enjoy learning how to use libreCAD, and then writing about it, but has to 
earn his bread and butter, and already spends a lot of his time on Open 
Source projects.    

Too many of us complain at what other people don't do with their spare time.  
Me included.  

Lisi

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#168592

On Sun 05 Jun 2016 at 16:54:02 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 14:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I find entirely too often on linux, that the help
> > tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the
> > time.
> 
> Well, it's open source, Gene.  Learn how to use it then write the docs.  Or 
> pay a technical author to learn how to use it by trial and error, blood sweat 
> and tears, and then write the docs.  I know a good one, who would I am sure, 
> enjoy learning how to use libreCAD, and then writing about it, but has to 
> earn his bread and butter, and already spends a lot of his time on Open 
> Source projects.    
> 
> Too many of us complain at what other people don't do with their spare time.  
> Me included.  

Perhaps not relevant in this particular case, but there are people (who post
here) who say they don't install packages' Recommendations and Suggestions.

Looking at the package names containing '-doc' on my system:

Suggests: 22
Recommends: 19
No reason 7 (ie I had to select and install them)
Depends: 2

Cheers,
David.

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#168593

On Sunday 05 June 2016 11:54:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 05 June 2016 14:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I find entirely too often on linux, that the help
> > tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the
> > time.
>
> Well, it's open source, Gene.  Learn how to use it then write the
> docs.  Or pay a technical author to learn how to use it by trial and
> error, blood sweat and tears, and then write the docs.  I know a good
> one, who would I am sure, enjoy learning how to use libreCAD, and then
> writing about it, but has to earn his bread and butter, and already
> spends a lot of his time on Open Source projects.
>
> Too many of us complain at what other people don't do with their spare
> time. Me included.
>
> Lisi

Guilty too I fear Lisi.  OTOH, something that works well and has a donate 
button on its web page, has found me clicking on the donate as long as 
the questionair to do so isn't a data gatherer to be sold to a spammer.  

When they want my unlisted phone number and mailing address is usually 
where I draw the line and close the page.  But if its an https page, and 
only wants my name as shown on the card, the card numbers, and how much, 
or has a paypal setup, then sure I'll donate.  I don't mind buying some 
decent breakfast bacon for the coder, but I'll be damned if I'll enhance 
a spammers ability to trash my phone, inbox or mailbox.  I own all 3, 
and I'm paying the bill to have the connectivity.  They are freeloaders 
IMO.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168587

On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
>
>> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> >> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
>> >> > but it cannot find its help docs.
>> >>
>> >> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>> >
>> > That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.
>>
>> That is really unfair.
>
> On my part?  Really?  I find entirely too often on linux, that the help 
> tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the 
> time.  No biggie to the author, he knows how to run his masterpiece, 
> can't you figure it out on your own?  Thats good for the soil when its 
> found on the ground behind the male of the bovine specie, but not much 
> else.
>

No, I didn't mean you were being unfair, I meant that it's a bummer not
having any good docs, especially for something like CAD software, which
can be pretty complicated stuff.

 
-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

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#168594

On Sunday 05 June 2016 12:50:10 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
> >> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> >> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to
> >> >> > use but it cannot find its help docs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> >> >
> >> > That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.
> >>
> >> That is really unfair.
> >
> > On my part?  Really?  I find entirely too often on linux, that the
> > help tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage
> > of the time.  No biggie to the author, he knows how to run his
> > masterpiece, can't you figure it out on your own?  Thats good for
> > the soil when its found on the ground behind the male of the bovine
> > specie, but not much else.
>
> No, I didn't mean you were being unfair, I meant that it's a bummer
> not having any good docs, especially for something like CAD software,
> which can be pretty complicated stuff.

Ah, we're on the same page then.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168611

On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
>> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
>>
>> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
>
> This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is in the
> repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built in 2012.
> So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't really see any
> great amount of progress in bringing the repo version up to the docs
> version.

Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has  
2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.  
For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions (with  
the exception of security fixes).
-- 
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#168613

On Monday 06 June 2016 09:12:46 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
> >> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> >
> > This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is
> > in the repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built
> > in 2012. So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't
> > really see any great amount of progress in bringing the repo version
> > up to the docs version.
>
> Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has
> 2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.
> For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions (with
> the exception of security fixes).

So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program, and 
never will.  At some point, I'll be able to update the working CNC 
machines to jessie, but a target date hasn't been set yet.  I am used to 
writing my own gcode, some of which has been pretty complex, so its not 
a show stopper.

Thanks Eduardo.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#168619

On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 09:12:46 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>> On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
>> >> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
>> >
>> > This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is
>> > in the repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built
>> > in 2012. So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't
>> > really see any great amount of progress in bringing the repo version
>> > up to the docs version.
>>
>> Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has
>> 2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.
>> For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions (with
>> the exception of security fixes).
>
> So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program, and
> never will.

I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it  
had a then decent CAD program.
-- 
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#168629

On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 09:12:46 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> >> On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
> >> >> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> >> >
> >> > This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what
> >> > is in the repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about,
> >> > built in 2012. So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I
> >> > don't really see any great amount of progress in bringing the
> >> > repo version up to the docs version.
> >>
> >> Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has
> >> 2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.
> >> For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions
> >> (with the exception of security fixes).
> >
> > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > and never will.
>
> I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> had a then decent CAD program.

Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then 
either.

That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just 
qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has 
run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but 
not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent 
docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc 
convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export 
data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code 
format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been 
extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad 
and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the 
sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.

Thanks Eduardo.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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