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  Re: Adobe Flash Alex Vong <alexvong1995@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 16:10 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2015-11-18 16:40 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:50 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:40 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 00:50 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 14:10 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-18 19:00 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:00 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-18 20:30 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:40 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-19 18:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
                  Re: Adobe Flash Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-11-20 01:40 +0100
                  Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 08:00 +0100
                    Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                      Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                        Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                        Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:30 +0100
                          Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
                        Re: The word 'should'. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:50 +0100
                          Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
                            Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:20 +0100
                              Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 18:40 +0100
                                Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 23:50 +0100
                                  Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 00:50 +0100
                                    Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
                                  Re: The word 'should'. Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 05:20 +0100
                                    Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
                                      Re: The word 'should'. Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-22 13:00 +0100
                                        Re: The word 'should'. Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                                          Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-23 18:50 +0100
                                Re: Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
                  Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                  Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 00:40 +0100
                    Which repositories are permitted and which are not Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:20 +0100
                      The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 04:50 +0100
                        Re: The word 'should' John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-22 05:00 +0100
                        Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
                          Re: The word 'should' Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-22 17:50 +0100
                            Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
                              Re: The word 'should' moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 20:00 +0100
                          Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
                          Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
                            Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:00 +0100
                              Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                                Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
                                  Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
                                    Re: The word 'should' Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-23 01:30 +0100
                        Re: The word 'should' Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-22 21:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
                  Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 07:50 +0100
                    Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                      Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:10 +0100
                        Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 05:30 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                            Re: Adobe Flash Glenn English <ghe@srv.slsware.net> - 2015-11-21 08:00 +0100
                              Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 09:40 +0100
                              Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
                                  Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:40 +0100
                                    Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
                        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
                            Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
                        Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
                            Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:20 +0100
                              Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:10 +0100
                                  Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-22 02:40 +0100
                        Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                      Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                      Re: Adobe Flash Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
                    Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 13:40 +0100
                      Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 14:20 +0100
                        Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 15:00 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 16:40 +0100
                            Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 17:00 +0100
                        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:30 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 13:00 +0100
                            Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
                              Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 14:00 +0100
                          Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:30 +0100
                            Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:00 +0100
                              Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
                                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
                                  Re: Adobe Flash Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-22 14:10 +0100
                                    Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 14:50 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 01:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:10 +0100
                  Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 19:50 +0100
                    Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                  "operating system" Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 02:50 +0100
                    pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2015-11-23 10:40 +0100
                      Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-23 20:30 +0100
                        Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-24 11:30 +0100
                          Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-24 15:50 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:40 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 22:10 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:30 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 01:00 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100

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#160738 — Re: Adobe Flash

Hi,

Next time please send your email to <debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
user questions, thanks! (You can also CC me since I don't subscribe
the debian-user list.)

To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install youtube-dl:
$ apt-get install youtube-dl

I suggest you to install vlc as well if you don't have a preferred
media player yet:
$ apt-get install vlc

Now, you can download the video by:
$ youtube-dl http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520

You can read the documentation of youtube-dl by going to
<https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl>.

The following is the real command I use (with additional flags if needed):
$ youtube-dl --prefer-free-formats -o "%(title)s.%(ext)s" <URL-OF-THE-VIDEO>

Feel free to reply if this doesn't work for you.

Cheers,
Alex

On 18/11/2015, Barry <bewhite@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> I hope you can send this to the appropriate person for me.
> It appears that Adobe will not be producing updayes to Linux flash
> player in the future.
> I have found that videos on the BBC and ABC us a format that cannot be
> played.
> I get a notice that I need to update Adobe flashplayer.
> I find I can use Windows 7 to watch them, but I have to dig out an old
> laptop.
>
> Is there a new or existing program to do the job or a new one in the works
> ?
>
> Thanks for all the developers efforts.
>
> Barry White
>
>

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#160742

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Next time please send your email to <debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
> user questions, thanks! (You can also CC me since I don't subscribe
> the debian-user list.)
>
> To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install youtube-dl:
> $ apt-get install youtube-dl

Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with Google 
Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know those do.  I watch 
that news-site all the time, several times a day most days, and browse over 
the whole site; sometimes just to see if there has been a new newsflash on an 
important story.  Think of the disk-space needed if I were to download 
everything every time!

It runs fine without a problem, without all the hoops.  The BBC generally 
makes any downloading a PITA, though I haven't tried this method.  And you 
don't need a media player.  Just a browser.  What a rigmarole just to watch 
the news!!!

Alex, do you download every website before looking at it? :-/

> I suggest you to install vlc as well if you don't have a preferred
> media player yet:
> $ apt-get install vlc

Install vlc by all means.  But just use a browser to watch the BBC news.

Lisi
>
> Now, you can download the video by:
> $ youtube-dl http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520
>
> You can read the documentation of youtube-dl by going to
> <https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl>.
>
> The following is the real command I use (with additional flags if needed):
> $ youtube-dl --prefer-free-formats -o "%(title)s.%(ext)s"
> <URL-OF-THE-VIDEO>
>
> Feel free to reply if this doesn't work for you.

I'd be interested to know if it does!!

>
> Cheers,
> Alex
>
> On 18/11/2015, Barry <bewhite@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > I hope you can send this to the appropriate person for me.
> > It appears that Adobe will not be producing updayes to Linux flash
> > player in the future.
> > I have found that videos on the BBC and ABC us a format that cannot be
> > played.
> > I get a notice that I need to update Adobe flashplayer.
> > I find I can use Windows 7 to watch them, but I have to dig out an old
> > laptop.
> >
> > Is there a new or existing program to do the job or a new one in the
> > works ?
> >
> > Thanks for all the developers efforts.
> >
> > Barry White

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#160747

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000,Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install
> > youtube-dl: $ apt-get install youtube-dl
> 
> Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with
> Google Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know those
> do.

Yep, here is a third solution:
install both chromium and pepperflashplugin-nonfree.
Then play www.bbc.com/news/10462520 in chromium.

And there is a fourth solution: play the video with mpv.
$ mpv http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520
mpv uses youtube-dl (by default) to find the video url.

The same idea, using youtube-dl to provide mplayer (or any other player)
with the video url:
$ mplayer `youtube-dl -g http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520`

BTW: the version of youtube-dl in jessie is not recent enough, so it
won't work. Instead of an 'apt-get install youtube-dl' in jessie you'd
better download and install it from https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
Later, run an occasional 'youtube-dl -U' to keep it up to date.

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#160762

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 10:33:55 Siard wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000,Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> > > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install
> > > youtube-dl: $ apt-get install youtube-dl
> >
I just watched that link, and several stories from it, in iceweasel.  And 
for a first, it remembered that I had OK'd using flash!  It did not 
refuse to play any story I clicked on.  No "this story is not available 
in your area" popups.

I am suitably amazed.

> > Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with
> > Google Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know
> > those do.
>
> Yep, here is a third solution:
> install both chromium and pepperflashplugin-nonfree.
> Then play www.bbc.com/news/10462520 in chromium.
>
> And there is a fourth solution: play the video with mpv.
> $ mpv http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520
> mpv uses youtube-dl (by default) to find the video url.
>
> The same idea, using youtube-dl to provide mplayer (or any other
> player) with the video url:
> $ mplayer `youtube-dl -g http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520`
>
> BTW: the version of youtube-dl in jessie is not recent enough, so it
> won't work. Instead of an 'apt-get install youtube-dl' in jessie you'd
> better download and install it from https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
> Later, run an occasional 'youtube-dl -U' to keep it up to date.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#160770

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 18:41:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 November 2015 10:33:55 Siard wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000,Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> > > > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install
> > > > youtube-dl: $ apt-get install youtube-dl
>
> I just watched that link, and several stories from it, in iceweasel.  And
> for a first, it remembered that I had OK'd using flash!  It did not
> refuse to play any story I clicked on.  No "this story is not available
> in your area" popups.
>
> I am suitably amazed.

I did know what I was talking about!!  I watch that site a lot and that is the 
means by which I watch it.  ;-)

You are thinking of things like iPlayer, and what you don't grok is that you 
can't watch them because you haven't paid for them - and you a former TV 
station employee. ;-)

Lisi
>
> > > Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with
> > > Google Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know
> > > those do.

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#160781

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:37:45 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 18 November 2015 18:41:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 November 2015 10:33:55 Siard wrote:
> > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000,Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> > > > > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install
> > > > > youtube-dl: $ apt-get install youtube-dl
> >
> > I just watched that link, and several stories from it, in iceweasel.
> >  And for a first, it remembered that I had OK'd using flash!  It did
> > not refuse to play any story I clicked on.  No "this story is not
> > available in your area" popups.
> >
> > I am suitably amazed.
>
> I did know what I was talking about!!  I watch that site a lot and
> that is the means by which I watch it.  ;-)
>
> You are thinking of things like iPlayer, and what you don't grok is
> that you can't watch them because you haven't paid for them - and you
> a former TV station employee. ;-)

Whats an iPLayer?  Sounds like something from Apple?

And the employee who, because I was the designated Chief Operator, that 
gave me the final authority to control what was aired.  There was quite 
the boardroom discussion about that, repeated at length from the rules & 
regs everytime one of our sales people figured they had found a way to 
do a payola related thing without calling it Payola.  I had fun quoting 
bible and verse to the sales dept.  Particularly the per instance fine 
the commission can levy.  You can buy a new mid-priced car with one days 
violation you don't have to pay.  We were not fined on my 18 year watch.

> Lisi
>
> > > > Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch
> > > > with Google Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I
> > > > know those do.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#160783

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 23:46:51 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Whats an iPLayer?  Sounds like something from Apple?

Yes, I know. :-(  It is the BBC's paid-for* television and radio output.  It 
is only available in some parts of the world.  In its entirety it is 
available only in the UK.  Accessible through the website, but not the same 
thing as the website.

Lisi
* Unless like my husband you are over 75, when you need a licence but don't 
pay for it.  Until recently paid for by the government, but now paid for by 
the BBC.  (Or is that not until April??)

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#160799

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 16:33:55 +0100
Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

...

> BTW: the version of youtube-dl in jessie is not recent enough, so it
> won't work. Instead of an 'apt-get install youtube-dl' in jessie you'd
> better download and install it from https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
> Later, run an occasional 'youtube-dl -U' to keep it up to date.

Additionally, in my experience, the version in Sid generally installs
fine on a stable system - it really doesn't have much in the way of
dependencies.

Celejar

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#160758

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Next time please send your email to <debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
> > user questions, thanks! (You can also CC me since I don't subscribe
> > the debian-user list.)
> >
> > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install youtube-dl:
> > $ apt-get install youtube-dl  
> 
> Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with Google 
> Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know those do.  I watch 
> that news-site all the time, several times a day most days, and browse over 
> the whole site; sometimes just to see if there has been a new newsflash on an 
> important story.  Think of the disk-space needed if I were to download 
> everything every time!

http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html#SpywareInFlash

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/02/adobe-pushes-drm-flash

Fortunately YouTube no longer requires Flash. Unfortunately, it still mandates
the running of non-free JavaScript, and is firmly under the thumb of Google.

YouTube can be accessed and videos on it can be viewed with a free web browser
which supports HTML5, of which there are many. More and more websites now
support HTML5 (or similar) video-streaming mechanisms. This is a good thing.

For those websites which still require Flash, you should find some way of
downloading the video (preferably in an open format).

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#160759

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 17:50:18 moxalt wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Next time please send your email to <debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
> > > user questions, thanks! (You can also CC me since I don't subscribe
> > > the debian-user list.)
> > >
> > > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install youtube-dl:
> > > $ apt-get install youtube-dl
> >
> > Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with Google
> > Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know those do.  I
> > watch that news-site all the time, several times a day most days, and
> > browse over the whole site; sometimes just to see if there has been a new
> > newsflash on an important story.  Think of the disk-space needed if I
> > were to download everything every time!
>
> http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html#SpywareInFlash
>
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/02/adobe-pushes-drm-flash
>
> Fortunately YouTube no longer requires Flash. Unfortunately, it still
> mandates the running of non-free JavaScript, and is firmly under the thumb
> of Google.
>
> YouTube can be accessed and videos on it can be viewed with a free web
> browser which supports HTML5, of which there are many. More and more
> websites now support HTML5 (or similar) video-streaming mechanisms. This is
> a good thing.
>
> For those websites which still require Flash, you should find some way of
> downloading the video (preferably in an open format).

So for perfection, don't watch the news.  The OP is currently watching the 
news on Doze.  Hardly more secure than flash on Linux.

Lisi

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#160767

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:55:47 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 18 November 2015 17:50:18 moxalt wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:05:33 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
> > wrote:  
> > > On Wednesday 18 November 2015 14:24:17 Alex Vong wrote:  
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Next time please send your email to <debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
> > > > user questions, thanks! (You can also CC me since I don't subscribe
> > > > the debian-user list.)
> > > >
> > > > To watch <http://www.bbc.com/news/10462520>, first install youtube-dl:
> > > > $ apt-get install youtube-dl  
> > >
> > > Or just install flashplugin-nonfree with Iceweasel, or watch with Google
> > > Chrome.  I'm sure plenty of other things work, but I know those do.  I
> > > watch that news-site all the time, several times a day most days, and
> > > browse over the whole site; sometimes just to see if there has been a new
> > > newsflash on an important story.  Think of the disk-space needed if I
> > > were to download everything every time!  
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html#SpywareInFlash
> >
> > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/02/adobe-pushes-drm-flash
> >
> > Fortunately YouTube no longer requires Flash. Unfortunately, it still
> > mandates the running of non-free JavaScript, and is firmly under the thumb
> > of Google.
> >
> > YouTube can be accessed and videos on it can be viewed with a free web
> > browser which supports HTML5, of which there are many. More and more
> > websites now support HTML5 (or similar) video-streaming mechanisms. This is
> > a good thing.
> >
> > For those websites which still require Flash, you should find some way of
> > downloading the video (preferably in an open format).  
> 
> So for perfection, don't watch the news. 

> The OP is currently watching the 
> news on Doze.  Hardly more secure than flash

And OP should do neither.

> on Linux.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is
in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without
realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is
widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware
that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part
of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that
allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The
kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it
can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is
basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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#160769

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 19:24:31 moxalt wrote:
> > The OP is currently watching the
> > news on Doze.  Hardly more secure than flash
>
> And OP should do neither.

That's a bit arrogant - saying that other people shouldn't watch the news on 
their computers because you would choose not to do so.

Lisi

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#160811

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:34:38 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 18 November 2015 19:24:31 moxalt wrote:
> > > The OP is currently watching the
> > > news on Doze.  Hardly more secure than flash  
> >
> > And OP should do neither.  
> 
> That's a bit arrogant - saying that other people shouldn't watch the news on 
> their computers because you would choose not to do so.
> 
> Lisi

I don't think advocating that others should follow certain ethical principles
is at all arrogant. What you're accusing me of is telling others to reject
non-free software because I do so. This is not true. I think people in general
should not use proprietary software, and I comply by this ethical principle. In
what way is recommending that others should do the same arrogant?

For instance, I hold that people should not kill each other needlessly. I
comply by this principle too, and do not kill people. In what way is
recommending to others that they follow this principle arrogant?

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#160828

On 11/19/2015 11:55 AM, moxalt wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:34:38 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

>> That's a bit arrogant - saying that other people shouldn't watch the news on
>> their computers because you would choose not to do so.
>>
>> Lisi
>
> I don't think advocating that others should follow certain ethical principles
> is at all arrogant.

It's arrogant as soon as you use the word "should". "Shoulding" is one 
of the 100+ "Elements of Criminal Thinking". Try "IMHO It would be 
better if..." to offer your personal POV, which others are free to 
accept or ignore. Your views will gain more attraction in that manner.

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#160832

On 11/19/2015 07:01 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 11/19/2015 11:55 AM, moxalt wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:34:38 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That's a bit arrogant - saying that other people shouldn't watch the news on
>>> their computers because you would choose not to do so.
>>>
>>> Lisi
>>
>> I don't think advocating that others should follow certain ethical principles
>> is at all arrogant.
>
> It's arrogant as soon as you use the word "should". "Shoulding" is one of the 100+ "Elements of Criminal Thinking". Try "IMHO It would be better if..." to offer your personal POV, which others are free to accept or ignore. Your views will gain more attraction in that manner.
>
+1  --doug

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#160839

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:01:49 -0500, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/19/2015 11:55 AM, moxalt wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:34:38 +0000, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
> > wrote:  
> 
> >> That's a bit arrogant - saying that other people shouldn't watch the news
> >> on their computers because you would choose not to do so.
> >>
> >> Lisi  
> >
> > I don't think advocating that others should follow certain ethical
> > principles is at all arrogant.  
> 
> It's arrogant as soon as you use the word "should". "Shoulding" is one 
> of the 100+ "Elements of Criminal Thinking". Try "IMHO It would be 
> better if..." to offer your personal POV, which others are free to 
> accept or ignore. Your views will gain more attraction in that manner.

Very well. I shall reformulate my earlier posts. Here is the first instance of
my vicious and triggering usage of the word 'should':

For those websites which still require Flash, IMHO it would be better if you
found some way of downloading the video (preferably in an open format).

Here is the second:

IMHO it would be better if the OP did neither.

Happy now? Feeling less threatened?

..........................................

You know what, I started out this post wanting to get back at you for what I
felt was an unfair backlash to my usage of what I thought to be an innocent and
widely-used word: 'should'. Now that I look at the edited offending sections,
they actually look far better and far more reasonable when I put it the way you
suggested. Thank you. I shall try and avoid using the word 'should' when
unnecessary in the future (except when I'm preaching to the choir over in the
Trisquel forum that is ;).

I am sorry.

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#160843

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:53:09 +0300
moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> wrote:

> Very well. I shall reformulate my earlier posts. Here is the first instance of
> my vicious and triggering usage of the word 'should':
 
> For those websites which still require Flash, IMHO it would be better if you
> found some way of downloading the video (preferably in an open format).
 
> Here is the second:
 
> IMHO it would be better if the OP did neither.
 
> Happy now? Feeling less threatened?

No, because you are still trying to impose your own values on others.

What next ? Telling us your own religion is better than ours ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
          The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
                                                      -- Oscar Wilde
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#160889 — Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash)

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:28:25 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
<renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:53:09 +0300
> moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> > Very well. I shall reformulate my earlier posts. Here is the first instance
> > of my vicious and triggering usage of the word 'should':  
>  
> > For those websites which still require Flash, IMHO it would be better if you
> > found some way of downloading the video (preferably in an open format).  
>  
> > Here is the second:  
>  
> > IMHO it would be better if the OP did neither.  
>  
> > Happy now? Feeling less threatened?  
> 
> No, because you are still trying to impose your own values on others.

Wow. So it doesn't actually have anything to do with my language (thank you for
admitting that) but rather a view you disagree with. A moment ago you said it
would be OK if I just replaced all instances of 'should' with 'IMHO it would be
better if'. I did so, and you are still not satisfied. This has nothing to do
with me being less stubborn and softening my tone- it's just a view you
personally reject.

Reminder: *every opinion expressed* is an assertion of one's values of others
(regardless of whether they agree or not, or whether you feel triggered by my
language). Telling someone not to punch people is an assertion of the principle
that one should not punch people, just as telling people to use free software
is an assertion of the principle that software should be free.

If you disagree with my opinion, feel free to do so. We can have a nice
civilised debate about it (though there isn't really any such thing on the
internet- we can try anyway). If you are not prepared to openly disagree with
me, at least don't just use the cop-out tactic of attacking my word choice.

Even when I complied with this, you made it clear that it doesn't matter what
words I use anyway, because by having opinions and expressing them I am doing
something akin to the Inquisition.

http://doge-generator.com/?w=wow,much%20logic,lol,much%20logic,wow

> What next ? Telling us your own religion is better than ours ?

If I was religious, and this was a discussion concerning religion, I would be
proselytising 24/7. I don't do things half-way.

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#160895 — Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash)

On Saturday 21 November 2015 04:44:26 moxalt wrote:
> Even when I complied with this, you made it clear that it doesn't matter
> what words I use anyway, because by having opinions and expressing them I
> am doing something akin to the Inquisition.

No, by imposing them on others etc.

Lisi

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#160902 — Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash)

On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:44:26 +0300
moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> wrote:

> Even when I complied with this, you made it clear that it doesn't matter what
> words I use anyway, because by having opinions and expressing them I am doing
> something akin to the Inquisition.

Not at all; it is only when you try to force others to hold those same opinions that you start on the road to intolerance and persecution.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                      First Law of Bicycling:          
                        No matter which way you ride,
                      it's uphill and against the wind.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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