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| Started by | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-11-17 01:50 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100 |
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Your attempts to communicate Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 01:50 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-17 03:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-17 08:50 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-17 06:30 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-17 09:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-17 14:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-17 14:20 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Markus Schönhaber <debian-user@list-post.mks-mail.de> - 2015-11-17 14:50 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 15:20 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-11-17 19:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 21:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net> - 2015-11-17 19:30 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net> - 2015-11-17 20:00 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-11-17 20:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 00:20 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 00:40 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 01:10 +0100
Re: Your attempts to communicate "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100
| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 01:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Your attempts to communicate |
| Message-ID | <qvCD7-69M-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
My email client chokes on your signature. If I make any attempt to reply, my email client freezes. So I have deleted both your emails. Try: sorting out your signature (I don't know what is wrong with it), or omitting your signature. I may not be the only one having problems. Lisi
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 03:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvDSy-75S-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160651 |
Lisi writes: > My email client chokes on your signature. If I make any attempt to reply, my > email client freezes. As he does not use a proper delimiter he doesn't really have a signature. His messages end with Cheers, Chris. That's not correct, but it is no excuse for Gmail to freeze up. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 08:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvJbA-235-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160652 |
Hi,
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> My email client chokes on your signature.
My alpine mail client showed a warning about MIME signature,
probably because of:
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512";
protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature";
boundary="=-q9gdJ6oE7VoDos3CeFlt"
> As he does not use a proper delimiter he doesn't really have a
> signature. His messages end with
> Cheers,
> Chris
In the mailbox file i do see that part and its MIME headers:
Cheers,
Chris
--=-q9gdJ6oE7VoDos3CeFlt
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
...base64.blob...
alpine shows the message, but not the second MIME part.
Strange ...
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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| From | Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 06:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvH06-Jv-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160651 |
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:42:55AM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > My email client chokes on your signature. If I make any attempt to reply, my > email client freezes. > > So I have deleted both your emails. > > Try: sorting out your signature (I don't know what is wrong with it), or > omitting your signature. > > I may not be the only one having problems. Maybe it's because he uses openssl to sign his mail? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 09:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvJuW-2p9-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160651 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:42:55AM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > My email client chokes on your signature. If I make any attempt to reply, my > email client freezes. > > So I have deleted both your emails. > > Try: sorting out your signature (I don't know what is wrong with it), or > omitting your signature. > > I may not be the only one having problems. FWIW, mutt copes fine. It even hands over to OpenSSL to check sig. Perhaps a bug in KMail? regards - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlZK2EEACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaosACeL+b0kSohhuxvRkS3ycgBQw6T sGEAnibtKc8Sqsp2Kc495UwC9/UCJdQV =+8pC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvObg-5rX-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160658 |
Chris Bannister writes: > Perhaps a bug in KMail? Or Gmail buggering up the OpenSSL signature in such a way as to tickle a bug in Kmail. I would expect Gmail to mangle cryptographic signatures. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 14:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvOkW-5vY-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160666 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 07:08:18AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Chris Bannister writes: > > Perhaps a bug in KMail? > > Or Gmail buggering up the OpenSSL signature in such a way as to tickle a > bug in Kmail. I would expect Gmail to mangle cryptographic signatures. Sure, I would expect Gmail to do nearly anything, but KMail falling flat on its face due to mangled input coming from somewhere out there is in my eyes a bug (or worse). Saying "Uh, sorry, I can't grok this mail" would be OK, naturally. regards - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlZLIFgACgkQBcgs9XrR2kboDACcDK6Z9sbsyYQfvgczCGS+wQvl +f0AnidsFIHIuyCTs1S003Qfkm8GSUt9 =b719 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvTui-is-37@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160667 |
tomas writes: > Sure, I would expect Gmail to do nearly anything, but KMail falling > flat on its face due to mangled input coming from somewhere out there > is in my eyes a bug (or worse). Yes, I said it was a bug in Kmail. I was pointing out that it may be one that is only triggered when a particular type of signature is mangled by Gmail, which might explain why only Lisi sees it. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Markus Schönhaber <debian-user@list-post.mks-mail.de> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 14:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvONY-5HC-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160651 |
Am 17.11.2015 um 01:42 schrieb Lisi Reisz: > My email client chokes on your signature. If I make any attempt to reply, my > email client freezes. Then your mail client is broken. > So I have deleted both your emails. > > Try: sorting out your signature (I don't know what is wrong with it), AFAICT nothing is wrong with it. BTW: it's not a signature in the sense of some text at the bottom of a message but a detached cryptographic signature. > or > omitting your signature. Or even better: you could use a mail client that actually works. -- Regards mks
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 15:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvPh1-67E-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160668 |
On Tuesday 17 November 2015 13:42:54 Markus Schc3b6nhaber wrote: > Am 17.11.2015 um 01:42 schrieb Lisi Reisz: > > My email client chokes on your signature. If I make any attempt to > > reply, my email client freezes. > > Then your mail client is broken. > > > So I have deleted both your emails. > > > > Try: sorting out your signature (I don't know what is wrong with it), > > AFAICT nothing is wrong with it. > BTW: it's not a signature in the sense of some text at the bottom of a > message but a detached cryptographic signature. > > > or > > omitting your signature. > > Or even better: you could use a mail client that actually works. He seemed not be getting replies so I was trying to suggest what might be wrong. I can live without being able to read emails form one individual ever. If it happens with a lot of people I shall indeed report a bug. Lisi
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| From | Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 19:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvSRB-8wu-39@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160669 |
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I believe the poster is trying to sign his messages with smime. My fairly recent version of alpine 2.20 tells me that his messages bear a "cryptographic signature," but that those signatures cannot be "verified." Please allow me to do the samd, i.e. sign with smime. -- Bob Bernstein
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 21:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvUJI-1gq-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160679 |
On Tuesday 17 November 2015 17:31:06 Bob Bernstein wrote: > I believe the poster is trying to sign his messages with > smime. My fairly recent version of alpine 2.20 tells me that his > messages bear a "cryptographic signature," but that those > signatures cannot be "verified." > > Please allow me to do the samd, i.e. sign with smime. Yours is fine. "Not enough information to check signature validity." But I haven't downloaded your key. I have been using KMail for years. It is not perfect. This is the first time I have hit this. If it applies only to me, as seemsoot be the case, then it is a non-issue. Lisi
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| From | Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 19:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvTaV-bm-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160669 |
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On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 14:18 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I can live without being able to read emails form one individual > ever. Gosh... I never got so much meta-answers around one of my mails itself... In any case, if your MUA crashes based on whichever mail it reads,... than it's likely a bug, and possible even a security critical bug. Even if my MUA[0] would send bogus mails, then you client should still fail gracefully on them. Anyway,.. I don't think that anything is wrong with the S/MIME that Evolution applies, in fact, as you could read, other people could verify it. If not, a reason may be that you don't trust the CA, which signed my user cert, but even that wouldn't be a reason to crash. Cheers, Chris. [0] And as you can see from the headers, I'm using Evolution, which is in my personal opinion the worst piece of software existing (it even caused data corruption to mails,... I just haven't found time to dump it where it belongs to
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| From | Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvTuh-is-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160683 |
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Anyway,.. I don't think that anything is wrong with the S/MIME > that Evolution applies, in fact, as you could read, other > people could verify it. Aha. Did evolution verify my smime sig in the message I just sent to the list? If the Debian Social Contract permitted wagering, I would stack a few chips that your answer to that would be "no." FULL DISCLOSURE: I haven't taken a look at my smime config here on alpine in quite some time... Thanks, -- Bob Bernstein
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| From | Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 20:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvTDY-m1-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160684 |
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On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 13:40 -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: > Aha. Did evolution verify my smime sig in the message I just > sent to the list? Nope, your cert has expired on 2015-03-12. Chris.
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| From | Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 20:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvTND-EM-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160688 |
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > ..your cert has expired on 2015-03-12. That's helpful, thank you. It explains why the message's sig cannot even be verified by the running instance of alpine that created it (if I look at said message in my sent messages file). I think alpine should refuse to use an expired cert. Hmmm... Perhaps I should query the alpine list on that point? _Or_, perhaps I should re-dedicate myself to learning about smime and stop expecting that, if I make enough tweaks, it will "just work." Oh well, Thanks all, -- Bob Bernstein
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 00:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvXHz-3ak-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160684 |
On Tuesday 17 November 2015 13:40:06 Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > Anyway,.. I don't think that anything is wrong with the S/MIME > > that Evolution applies, in fact, as you could read, other > > people could verify it. > > Aha. Did evolution verify my smime sig in the message I just > sent to the list? > > If the Debian Social Contract permitted wagering, I would stack > a few chips that your answer to that would be "no." > > FULL DISCLOSURE: I haven't taken a look at my smime config here > on alpine in quite some time... > > Thanks, Showed in yellow here, indicating it could not be verified. Same kmail as Lisi's. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 00:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvY0V-3hg-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160709 |
On Tuesday 17 November 2015 23:18:01 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 17 November 2015 13:40:06 Bob Bernstein wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > > Anyway,.. I don't think that anything is wrong with the S/MIME > > > that Evolution applies, in fact, as you could read, other > > > people could verify it. > > > > Aha. Did evolution verify my smime sig in the message I just > > sent to the list? > > > > If the Debian Social Contract permitted wagering, I would stack > > a few chips that your answer to that would be "no." > > > > FULL DISCLOSURE: I haven't taken a look at my smime config here > > on alpine in quite some time... > > > > Thanks, > > Showed in yellow here, indicating it could not be verified. Same kmail > as Lisi's. Yes - I turn the yellow off because I can't read it, but it said that it could not be verified. How do you get on with Chris's signature? Is the bug, if it be a bug, mine alone? Lisi > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 01:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvYtY-3GN-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160710 |
On Tuesday 17 November 2015 18:33:04 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 17 November 2015 23:18:01 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 November 2015 13:40:06 Bob Bernstein wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > > > Anyway,.. I don't think that anything is wrong with the S/MIME > > > > that Evolution applies, in fact, as you could read, other > > > > people could verify it. > > > > > > Aha. Did evolution verify my smime sig in the message I just > > > sent to the list? > > > > > > If the Debian Social Contract permitted wagering, I would stack > > > a few chips that your answer to that would be "no." > > > > > > FULL DISCLOSURE: I haven't taken a look at my smime config here > > > on alpine in quite some time... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Showed in yellow here, indicating it could not be verified. Same > > kmail as Lisi's. > > Yes - I turn the yellow off because I can't read it, but it said that > it could not be verified. How do you get on with Chris's signature? > Is the bug, if it be a bug, mine alone? > > Lisi > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett I did not try to reply. If I am to have trouble, that is the trigger. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qvTui-is-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #160683 |
Hi,
> other people could verify it.
Urm, not in my case. It's just that alpine can stand it.
The error message when opening
Message-ID: <1447719799.6941.4.camel@scientia.net>
is
Couldn't verify S/MIME signature: certificate verify error
The header
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512";
protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature";
boundary="=-q9gdJ6oE7VoDos3CeFlt"
brings me to
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2311.txt
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2315.txt
where i stand somewhat clueless.
The mail from Bob Bernstein
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1511171226140.24000@qrovna.ybpnyqbznva>
has
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature";
micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="8323328-613464707-1447781475=:24000"
It produces the same error message in alpine:
Couldn't verify S/MIME signature: certificate verify error
Locally installed alpine -v says
Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) built Mon Sep 8 02:01:57 UTC 2014 on brahms
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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