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  Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 D&P Dimov <lddimov@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-09 20:10 +0100
    Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Mike McGinn <mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> - 2015-11-09 20:20 +0100
    Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 GC <gc@maillr.com> - 2015-11-09 20:30 +0100
    Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Florian Pelgrim <florian.pelgrim@craneworks.de> - 2015-11-09 21:00 +0100
    Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk> - 2015-11-09 23:10 +0100
      Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 02:50 +0100
        Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk> - 2015-11-10 08:20 +0100
          Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2015-11-10 09:10 +0100
            Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 basti <black.fledermaus@arcor.de> - 2015-11-10 09:40 +0100
              Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-10 10:30 +0100
          Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 18:20 +0100
      Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2015-12-12 19:30 +0100
    Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 03:00 +0100
      Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Glenn English <ghe@slsware.net> - 2015-11-10 04:50 +0100
    Re: Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8 Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.id.au> - 2015-11-11 08:20 +0100

#160362 — Install MSWindz 7 as Virtual Machine on Debian 8

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I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit ridiculous...). This Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM, VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which one is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one, Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.Thanks!

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#160363

On 11/09/2015 01:58 PM, D&P Dimov wrote:
> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer that
> is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that is not
> proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit ridiculous...). This
> Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends
> Qemu, KVM, VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for
> which one is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one,
> Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.
> Thanks!

Virtual Box is easy for me. I have a Win 2000 VM that runs on Wheezy. I
don't know about Debian 8 or Windows 7, so your mileage may vary.

Mike

-- 
Mike McGinn		KD2CNU
President, UU Congregation at Rock Tavern
More kidneys than eyes ** Registered Linux User 377849

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#160364

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> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, D&P Dimov <lddimov@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit ridiculous...). This Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM, VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which one is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one, Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.
> Thanks!

VirtualBox is a very easy program to work with. They offer excellent documentation and community support as well. 

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#160366

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Hi,

Am 09.11.15 um 19:58 schrieb D&P Dimov:
> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer that
> is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that is not
> proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit ridiculous...). This
> Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends
> Qemu, KVM, VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for
> which one is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one,
> Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.
> Thanks!

QEMU is the old way doing this.

As mentioned from other people on the list VirtualBox is an easy way of
doing this.

If you want some nativ virtualisation check out KVM because this comes
straight from the kernel and also has a pretty nice Win7 support.

Now the biggest question is... Do you want to run this on a server or on
a desktop? For desktops with GUI support choose VirtualBox. IMHO KVM is
not that fast with VMs which comes with a GUI.
If you want to run this on a server and using RDP to connect on your VM
choose KVM. That's what I'm doing with virtualisation.

Cheers
Flo

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#160374

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On 09/11/15 18:58, D&P Dimov wrote:
> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer that 
> is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that is not 
> proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit ridiculous...). 
> This Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization 
> recommends Qemu, KVM, VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have 
> recommendations for which one is easiest to install for a novice? I 
> tried the first one, Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to 
> install MS Win 7 with it.
> Thanks!
Up until last April, I ran Windows 7 under virtual Box on my Debian 
machine for my daily work almost every day for about 2 years.  I have 
cut down now to one day a week, and generally do that on a Macbook Air, 
also running Virtual Box.  It worked perfectly.

I updated to Windows 10, through the upgrade program, and that was a 
little dodgy until I updated Virtual Box to version 5 and removed 3d 
Video acceleration.

The only issue to be careful of, is that the drivers get properly 
rebuilt when the linux kernel changes.

When I first started doing this I was very nervous that a machine I 
depended on for my daily income was using virtual box, and I spent some 
time trying to get KVM working.  But I never found a way - struggling 
with documentation at every step.  VirtualBox on the other hand (apart 
from the occassional problem with ensuring the driver modules get 
rebuilt) was easy to set up, modify and  use.



-- 
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk

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#160379

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015, Alan Chandler wrote:

> On 09/11/15 18:58, D&P Dimov wrote:
> > I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer
> > that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that
> > is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit
> > ridiculous...). This Debian page:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM,
> > VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which one
> > is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one, Qemu,
> > but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.
> > Thanks!
> Up until last April, I ran Windows 7 under virtual Box on my Debian 
> machine for my daily work almost every day for about 2 years.  I have 
> cut down now to one day a week, and generally do that on a Macbook
> Air, also running Virtual Box.  It worked perfectly.
> 
> I updated to Windows 10, through the upgrade program, and that was a 
> little dodgy until I updated Virtual Box to version 5 and removed 3d 
> Video acceleration.
> 
> The only issue to be careful of, is that the drivers get properly 
> rebuilt when the linux kernel changes.
> 

Installing dkms (Dynamic Kernel Modules Support) and the appropriate
kernel headers will take care of that auto-magically.  Never had it
fail.  Of course, you  need the gcc compiler and its related files, too.

Also, I'd suggest the OP download VirtualBox directly from their web
site, and NOT from the Debian Repo.  When you do the former, the
VirtualBox repo automatically is set up and configured.

B

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#160383

On 10/11/15 01:47, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015, Alan Chandler wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/15 18:58, D&P Dimov wrote:
>>> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer
>>> that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that
>>> is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit
>>> ridiculous...). This Debian page:
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM,
>>> VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which one
>>> is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one, Qemu,
>>> but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.
>>> Thanks!
>> Up until last April, I ran Windows 7 under virtual Box on my Debian
>> machine for my daily work almost every day for about 2 years.  I have
>> cut down now to one day a week, and generally do that on a Macbook
>> Air, also running Virtual Box.  It worked perfectly.
>>
>> I updated to Windows 10, through the upgrade program, and that was a
>> little dodgy until I updated Virtual Box to version 5 and removed 3d
>> Video acceleration.
>>
>> The only issue to be careful of, is that the drivers get properly
>> rebuilt when the linux kernel changes.
>>
> Installing dkms (Dynamic Kernel Modules Support) and the appropriate
> kernel headers will take care of that auto-magically.  Never had it
> fail.  Of course, you  need the gcc compiler and its related files, too.
>
> Also, I'd suggest the OP download VirtualBox directly from their web
> site, and NOT from the Debian Repo.  When you do the former, the
> VirtualBox repo automatically is set up and configured.
>
> B
>
>

I have switched back and forth between the virtual box debian repository 
and the normal repository at various times.  Currently using the normal 
Debian repository (testing), but a few months ago I was running Debian 
stable and trying to get Windows 10 to work and had to switch to a more 
recent release - so then used the virtual box one.

I do have dkms installed and most times (with either repository) the 
drivers are built automatically, but I have had it fail, and that left 
me without a system for a few hours whilst I figured out what had gone 
wrong.

Despite all of that, I have always managed to get it sorted, and have 
never lost data.

-- 
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk

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#160384

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As far as Windows 7 is concerned, I have used it on my laptop in
VirtualBox, with 1 of total 4 gb ram, and I can assure that t works
flawlessly.
I can't say anything about Windows 10 as I haven't given it a try on
Virtualbox, but Windows 7 does work well.

Good luck
Himanshu Shekhar

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#160385

I run some MS Server 2008 (R2) and some Win7 Hosts in KVM/Qemu since
years staring with Debian 6. 8 Weeks ago I upgrade the Host (Hypervisor)
to Debian 8 without any Problems.

A quick and dirty explanation I found here
http://serverfault.com/questions/631317/windows-7-as-kvm-guest-installation-with-virtio-drivers-detected-virtio-scsi-d


An other one in German
http://www.accso.de/wp/2012/07/windows-7-auf-kvm-mit-debian-6/

If you will use virtio drivers in windows you need virtio-driver
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Windows_Virtio_Drivers

Regards,
Basti


Am 10.11.2015 um 09:05 schrieb Himanshu Shekhar:
> As far as Windows 7 is concerned, I have used it on my laptop in
> VirtualBox, with 1 of total 4 gb ram, and I can assure that t works
> flawlessly.
> I can't say anything about Windows 10 as I haven't given it a try on
> Virtualbox, but Windows 7 does work well.
>
> Good luck
> Himanshu Shekhar

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#160386

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> I run some MS Server 2008 (R2) and some Win7 Hosts in KVM/Qemu since
> years staring with Debian 6. 8 Weeks ago I upgrade the Host (Hypervisor)
> to Debian 8 without any Problems.

Not a heavy user here, but also happy with KVM/Qemu. Thanks for the
links, btw!

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#160397

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015, Alan Chandler wrote:

> On 10/11/15 01:47, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Nov 2015, Alan Chandler wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/11/15 18:58, D&P Dimov wrote:
> >>> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer
> >>> that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software
> >>> that is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit
> >>> ridiculous...). This Debian page:
> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM,
> >>> VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which
> >>> one is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one,
> >>> Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7
> >>> with it. Thanks!
> >> Up until last April, I ran Windows 7 under virtual Box on my Debian
> >> machine for my daily work almost every day for about 2 years.  I
> >> have cut down now to one day a week, and generally do that on a
> >> Macbook Air, also running Virtual Box.  It worked perfectly.
> >>
> >> I updated to Windows 10, through the upgrade program, and that was
> >> a little dodgy until I updated Virtual Box to version 5 and
> >> removed 3d Video acceleration.
> >>
> >> The only issue to be careful of, is that the drivers get properly
> >> rebuilt when the linux kernel changes.
> >>
> > Installing dkms (Dynamic Kernel Modules Support) and the appropriate
> > kernel headers will take care of that auto-magically.  Never had it
> > fail.  Of course, you  need the gcc compiler and its related files,
> > too.
> >
> > Also, I'd suggest the OP download VirtualBox directly from their web
> > site, and NOT from the Debian Repo.  When you do the former, the
> > VirtualBox repo automatically is set up and configured.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> 
> I have switched back and forth between the virtual box debian
> repository and the normal repository at various times.  Currently
> using the normal Debian repository (testing), but a few months ago I
> was running Debian stable and trying to get Windows 10 to work and
> had to switch to a more recent release - so then used the virtual box
> one.
> 
> [snip]

I use the VirtualBox repo now simply because it's more up-to-date than
the Debian one.

Originally, the Debian repo versions of VB lacked certain features like
USB support which were consider proprietary code. And so I downloaded
VB directly from their site.  But that's been sorted out now.  I think
VB put all the proprietary stuff on the Extras disk.

B

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On 09/11/15 22:01, Alan Chandler wrote:
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> Up until last April, I ran Windows 7 under virtual Box on my Debian 
> machine for my daily work almost every day for about 2 years.  I
> have cut down now to one day a week, and generally do that on a
> Macbook Air, also running Virtual Box.  It worked perfectly.
> 
> I updated to Windows 10, through the upgrade program, and that was a 
> little dodgy until I updated Virtual Box to version 5 and removed 3d 
> Video acceleration.
> 
> The only issue to be careful of, is that the drivers get properly 
> rebuilt when the linux kernel changes.

[cut]
I would be very interested as to how you got past the "The Virtual Box
Graphics Adapter is not compatible with Windows 10" blockage I've
experienced. Following your comments above I removed 3D AND 2D
acceleration in my Windows settings to no avail. I'm guessing that the
128 MB maximum video memory might be related?

Peter HB

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#160380

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015, D&P Dimov wrote:

> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer
> that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that
> is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit
> ridiculous...). This Debian page:
> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM,
> VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which one
> is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one, Qemu, but
> didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with
> it.Thanks!

Over the years on various Linux distros, I've tried qemu, kvm,
and VirtualBox.  Never messed with Xen.  I consider it
for servers running virtual servers.  For your traditional desktop,
VirtualBox is my recommendation.

I've run Windows 2000 and XP (licensed copies) both on various
versions Fedora and now on Wheezy with shared folders for transfering 
files among them.

VB is the easiest to install and administer, and they have GREAT
step-by-step documentation.  Plus there are versions for Windows and
OSX.

PS. The BEST VM is VMWare, if it matters.

B

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#160381

On Nov 9, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015, D&P Dimov wrote:
> 
>> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer
>> that is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that
>> is not proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit
>> ridiculous...). This Debian page:
>> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends Qemu, KVM,
>> VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for which one
>> is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one, Qemu, but
>> didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with
>> it.Thanks!

Yet another vote for VirtualBox. I don't do Windows, but it's been great running Ubuntu all summer and fall for an online CS course I'm taking. 

> VB is the easiest to install and administer, and they have GREAT
> step-by-step documentation.  Plus there are versions for Windows and
> OSX.
> 
> PS. The BEST VM is VMWare, if it matters.

I've got two virtual machines set up -- VirtualBox on a 32 bit laptop and both of them on a 64 bit space heater. I haven't noticed much difference, but I've also heard VMWare is better. I haven't heard why, though. And it's big bucks. More than Windows, IIRC.

They're a little different, but they do pretty much the same things, even in pretty much the same ways, it looks like. VirtualBox was easier to get going and it does better with displays (it adjusts better to the size of the monitor: no big black bars on the sides of a wide screen). VB's prettier, too.

VMWare isn't free as in anything. VirtualBox used to be before Oracle bought Sun (it still doesn't cost anything; at least some of the source is available; and it's in my Debian repo (Wheezy), so maybe I'm wrong about VB -- but it does say "Oracle" all over it). 

If you're about to put Windows on the machine, though, software freedom's probably not a major concern for this project :-) 

-- 
Glenn English

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On 10/11/15 04:58, D&P Dimov wrote:
> I need to install MS Windows 7 as a Virtual Machine on a computer that
> is running Debian 8. To do that, I'd like to use software that is not
> proprietory (I know, I know - this may sounds a bit ridiculous...). This
> Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization recommends
> Qemu, KVM, VirtualBox, and Zen. Does anyone have recommendations for
> which one is easiest to install for a novice? I tried the first one,
> Qemu, but didn't really find a good guide how to install MS Win 7 with it.
> Thanks!

The others have recommended VirtualBox, but an alternative suggestion:
install libvirt-bin and virt-manager.

The former is a management interface for KVM/Xen/LXC and a few others,
and handles the logic of setting up the virtualisation for you.

The latter is a GUI front-end for libvirt.  Using it is much like using
VirtualBox.  Not quite as polished, but VirtualBox isn't as nice to use
on a headless machine either.
-- 
Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL)

I haven't lost my mind...
  ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.

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