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  convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-07 03:20 +0100
    Re: convert between ethernet and usb Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.id.au> - 2015-11-07 07:20 +0100
      Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-07 08:10 +0100
    Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-07 11:30 +0100
      Re: convert between ethernet and usb Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2015-11-07 11:50 +0100
        Re: convert between ethernet and usb Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 12:30 +0100
          Re: convert between ethernet and usb Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-07 15:10 +0100
            Re: convert between ethernet and usb Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 15:50 +0100
              Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-07 18:00 +0100
                Re: convert between ethernet and usb Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-11-07 19:50 +0100
              Re: convert between ethernet and usb Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-07 19:50 +0100
                Re: convert between ethernet and usb Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 20:30 +0100
                  Re: convert between ethernet and usb Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-07 23:50 +0100
        Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-07 12:40 +0100
          Re: convert between ethernet and usb Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2015-11-07 12:50 +0100
      Re: convert between ethernet and usb Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-07 15:10 +0100
        Re: convert between ethernet and usb Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-07 19:40 +0100
        Re: convert between ethernet and usb Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.id.au> - 2015-11-08 07:40 +0100
          Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-08 08:10 +0100
      Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-07 17:40 +0100
        Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-07 19:20 +0100
          Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-07 19:50 +0100
            Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-07 20:50 +0100
              Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-07 21:40 +0100
                Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-07 22:10 +0100
                  Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-08 00:30 +0100
                    Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-08 03:00 +0100
                      Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-08 03:30 +0100
                        Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-08 04:00 +0100
                          Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-08 13:30 +0100
                            Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-08 19:40 +0100
                              Re: convert between ethernet and usb Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.id.au> - 2015-11-08 21:20 +0100
                                Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-08 22:30 +0100
                                  Re: convert between ethernet and usb Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-08 23:40 +0100
                                    Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-09 00:00 +0100
                              Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-09 02:00 +0100
                                Re: convert between ethernet and usb rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-11-09 03:20 +0100
                                  Re: convert between ethernet and usb Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-11-09 09:10 +0100

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#160256 — convert between ethernet and usb

In order to provide Internet access to a LAN consisting of several
computers in a location in which DSL is not available, I am in search of a
reliable and inexpensive way to use the USB port of a G4 Wi-Fi "hotspot"
to feed the WAN port of a router.

In particular, my plan is to use a VerizonWireless JetPack with a i386
machine running IPCop2.  I envision dedicating a small Linux machine with
USB3 capability as a Ethernet-to-USB translator.

The Jetpack (Netgear AirCard 791L) is a Wi-Fi router which can serve
multiple computers, but Wi-Fi is not appropriate for this application.

And, yes, the system is going to be noisy and power-hungry.  However, from
articles such as "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB" the
concept appears to be workable.

Russ

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#160258

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On 07/11/15 12:16, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> In order to provide Internet access to a LAN consisting of several
> computers in a location in which DSL is not available, I am in search of a
> reliable and inexpensive way to use the USB port of a G4 Wi-Fi "hotspot"
> to feed the WAN port of a router.
> 
> In particular, my plan is to use a VerizonWireless JetPack with a i386
> machine running IPCop2.  I envision dedicating a small Linux machine with
> USB3 capability as a Ethernet-to-USB translator.

Well, it doesn't need to be USB3, unless your Internet connection truly
exceeds 480Mbps (which I doubt).  My suggestion for a very cheap
solution would be a Raspberry Pi or similar.

Hook the USB modem up to it, use its Ethernet port to connect to the WAN
port of your router.  Since it runs full fledged Debian Linux, the
device is fully under your control.  You could even do away with the
router and have it feed your LAN directly.

-- 
Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL)

I haven't lost my mind...
  ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.

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#160260

On Sat, November 7, 2015 12:14 am, Stuart Longland wrote:
> On 07/11/15 12:16, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
>> In particular, my plan is to use a VerizonWireless JetPack with a i386
>> machine running IPCop2.  I envision dedicating a small Linux machine
>> with USB3 capability as a Ethernet-to-USB translator.
...
> Well, it doesn't need to be USB3, unless your Internet connection truly
> exceeds 480Mbps (which I doubt).

My own DSL runs just under 3.0; the basic DSL here has three tiers:  1.5,
3.0, and 6.0.  For my own line, 3.0 is problematic, because I am just over
10,000 feet from the termination point, and the twisted pair cable run is
over sixty years old.  But even 1.5 has been adequate for my needs.

> My suggestion for a very cheap solution
> would be a Raspberry Pi or similar.
>
> Hook the USB modem up to it,
> use its Ethernet port to connect to the WAN
> port of your router. ...

The Raspberry Pi sounds like the solution which I had in mind; thanks,
Stuart.  I have heard the name, but I never have seen one or read about
it.

And though I might be able to get the Pi to do everything, once I get a
signal to the RED port of an IPCop I am on familiar turf and know how to
configure and manage the system.

Searching for about an hour with google, I found devices in the range of
US$30 -- such as the Apple usb-ethernet-adapter -- which are based on
various application-specific integrated circuits.  But such some of those
devices require operating-system-specific drivers as well as power from
the USB port, and some are USB-1, so experimentation would be required.

RLH

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#160262

rlharris@oplink.net a écrit :
> In order to provide Internet access to a LAN consisting of several
> computers in a location in which DSL is not available, I am in search of a
> reliable and inexpensive way to use the USB port of a G4 Wi-Fi "hotspot"
> to feed the WAN port of a router.
> 
> In particular, my plan is to use a VerizonWireless JetPack with a i386
> machine running IPCop2.  I envision dedicating a small Linux machine with
> USB3 capability as a Ethernet-to-USB translator.

Doesn't your i386 machine have an available USB port ?
Or does IPCop2 just not include USB drivers ?

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#160263

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AFAIK there are small cables in market for this purpose. Like we have OTG
to connect USB and smartphone, similarly there are USB to Ethernet cables.
Their necessity comes in tablets, Ultrabooks where Ethernet is unavailable.
You could find it on an ordinary hardware store. It's really cheap.

Good luck

-- 
Regards
Himanshu Shekhar

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#160264

On Saturday 07 November 2015 10:43:38 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> AFAIK there are small cables in market for this purpose. Like we have OTG
> to connect USB and smartphone, similarly there are USB to Ethernet cables.
> Their necessity comes in tablets, Ultrabooks where Ethernet is unavailable.
> You could find it on an ordinary hardware store. It's really cheap.

!!!  In which country do ordinary hardware stores stock _slightly_ arcane IT 
products??  Or, come to that, any IT products to speak of?

Lisi

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#160267

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:21:18 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> !!!  In which country do ordinary hardware stores stock _slightly_ arcane IT 
> products??  Or, come to that, any IT products to speak of?

Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting Trendnet USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
            -I was born an Englishman, and I'll die an Englishman.
            -Hoots, Mon, hae ye got nae ambition ?                
                                   
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#160269

On Saturday 07 November 2015 13:59:47 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:21:18 +0000
>
> Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > !!!  In which country do ordinary hardware stores stock _slightly_ arcane
> > IT products??  Or, come to that, any IT products to speak of?
>
> Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting Trendnet
> USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.

I don't regard Amazon as an ordinary hardware store.  You have over-snipped 
the quotation.  I could easily buy one reasonably locally - but not in a 
hardware store, ordinary or otherwise.  The OP said: " You could find it on 
an ordinary hardware store. It's really cheap."  Cheap is relative too.

Lisi

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#160274

> On Saturday 07 November 2015 13:59:47 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
> Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting Trendnet
> USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.

The local Apple Store has an adapter for US$30.

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#160280

On 11/7/2015 10:56 AM, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
>> On Saturday 07 November 2015 13:59:47 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
>> Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting Trendnet
>> USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.
>
> The local Apple Store has an adapter for US$30.
>

And in context that could reasonably be referred to as a hardware 
store ;)
[How many Americans would expect an engine under his bonnet or a 
trunk in the boot]

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#160281

On Saturday 07 November 2015 09:44:34 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 07 November 2015 13:59:47 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:21:18 +0000
> >
> > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > !!!  In which country do ordinary hardware stores stock _slightly_
> > > arcane IT products??  Or, come to that, any IT products to speak
> > > of?
> >
> > Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting Trendnet
> > USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.
>
> I don't regard Amazon as an ordinary hardware store.  You have
> over-snipped the quotation.  I could easily buy one reasonably locally
> - but not in a hardware store, ordinary or otherwise.  The OP said: "
> You could find it on an ordinary hardware store. It's really cheap." 
> Cheap is relative too.
>
> Lisi

Lisi, you are in jolly Olde England, where the populous expects to have 
to go to a specialty supplier for such.

But lets put this in the Paraguay context from long distance crystal ball 
gazing.

As an old Iowa farm kid, if the Monkey-Ward or Snears & Row-it-back 
catalog didn't have it, and you had already checked the local hardware 
store, you did without, but I'd suspect his local hardware store in 
Paraguay would be at least as well stocked as our small town (pop 270) 
hardware store was in the 1950's era. I don't recall ever going in it 
and coming out without a workable solution for whatever this guy, who 
was a "geek" before the word was invented, was making at the moment.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#160284

On Saturday 07 November 2015 18:48:34 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 November 2015 09:44:34 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 07 November 2015 13:59:47 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
> > > On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:21:18 +0000
> > >
> > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > !!!  In which country do ordinary hardware stores stock _slightly_
> > > > arcane IT products??  Or, come to that, any IT products to speak
> > > > of?
> > >
> > > Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting Trendnet
> > > USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.
> >
> > I don't regard Amazon as an ordinary hardware store.  You have
> > over-snipped the quotation.  I could easily buy one reasonably locally
> > - but not in a hardware store, ordinary or otherwise.  The OP said: "
> > You could find it on an ordinary hardware store. It's really cheap."
> > Cheap is relative too.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Lisi, you are in jolly Olde England, where the populous expects to have
> to go to a specialty supplier for such.

Yes - and is less rich than you lot!  Cheap is relative.  Though I have found 
some after all this on Amazon at around £10 (ten UKP).  The most local I 
could find, which is certainly not our local hardware store, but is not a 
specialist shop either, nor even in my village, (larger than your town, Gene) 
had two:  one at £79.00 and one at £29.00.  And it is a train ride away.  The 
nearest computer store, which would certainly have one, needs a taxi.  There 
are plenty in London, of course.  Note, pounds not dollars.  Mind you, the 
computer shop has a good range:

http://www.novatech.co.uk/search.html?s=usb%20to%20ethernet

And fairly cheaply.  Provided that you have a reasonable income, which not 
everyone has.

Lisi

> But lets put this in the Paraguay context from long distance crystal ball
> gazing.
>
> As an old Iowa farm kid, if the Monkey-Ward or Snears & Row-it-back
> catalog didn't have it, and you had already checked the local hardware
> store, you did without, but I'd suspect his local hardware store in
> Paraguay would be at least as well stocked as our small town (pop 270)
> hardware store was in the 1950's era. I don't recall ever going in it
> and coming out without a workable solution for whatever this guy, who
> was a "geek" before the word was invented, was making at the moment.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

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#160293

On Saturday 07 November 2015 14:24:41 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 07 November 2015 18:48:34 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 07 November 2015 09:44:34 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 07 November 2015 13:59:47 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:21:18 +0000
> > > >
> > > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > !!!  In which country do ordinary hardware stores stock
> > > > > _slightly_ arcane IT products??  Or, come to that, any IT
> > > > > products to speak of?
> > > >
> > > > Living in Darkest Paraguay, I have had no problem getting
> > > > Trendnet USBToRJ45 adapters sent from Amazon.
> > >
> > > I don't regard Amazon as an ordinary hardware store.  You have
> > > over-snipped the quotation.  I could easily buy one reasonably
> > > locally - but not in a hardware store, ordinary or otherwise.  The
> > > OP said: " You could find it on an ordinary hardware store. It's
> > > really cheap." Cheap is relative too.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Lisi, you are in jolly Olde England, where the populous expects to
> > have to go to a specialty supplier for such.
>
> Yes - and is less rich than you lot!  Cheap is relative.  Though I
> have found some after all this on Amazon at around £10 (ten UKP).  The
> most local I could find, which is certainly not our local hardware
> store, but is not a specialist shop either, nor even in my village,
> (larger than your town, Gene) had two:  one at £79.00 and one at
> £29.00.  And it is a train ride away.  The nearest computer store,
> which would certainly have one, needs a taxi.  There are plenty in
> London, of course.  Note, pounds not dollars.  Mind you, the computer
> shop has a good range:
>
> http://www.novatech.co.uk/search.html?s=usb%20to%20ethernet
>
> And fairly cheaply.  Provided that you have a reasonable income, which
> not everyone has.
>
> Lisi

And I am in that latter category. My SS checks have yet to cross the 
$1700/month barrier.  We do fairly well as the wife is a retired school 
teacher, so she gets SS and Teacher's Retirement.  I made sure the place 
was paid off while we were both still working, so food, taxes & 
insurance, utilities & vehicle maintenance are our major outgo's.  Even 
with my hobby expenses, we stay plus with the bank.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#160265

Himanshu Shekhar a écrit :
> AFAIK there are small cables in market for this purpose. Like we have OTG
> to connect USB and smartphone, similarly there are USB to Ethernet cables.
> Their necessity comes in tablets, Ultrabooks where Ethernet is unavailable.

These devices provide ethernet connectivity to a USB host port.
IIUC, the OP wants it the other way around : connect a USB device port
and an ethernet host port.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org>
wrote:

>
> These devices provide ethernet connectivity to a USB host port.
> IIUC, the OP wants it the other way around : connect a USB device port
> and an ethernet host port.
>

Well, a vice-versa search solves this.
Google "usb modem to ethernet converter". There are solutions to use usb
modem to plug in to ethernet port.
Replace the USB modem to any Internet input feed of your choice.

Hope that works.

Regards
Himanshu Shekhar

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#160268

On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:26:18 +0100
Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:

> Or does IPCop2 just not include USB drivers ?

It does, and I have used them on my IPCop box for years; better burn out an USBToRJ45 adapter than the motherboard when there is a storm strike on the ISP coax.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
            -I was born an Englishman, and I'll die an Englishman.
            -Hoots, Mon, hae ye got nae ambition ?                
                                   
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#160279

On Saturday 07 November 2015 08:59:35 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:26:18 +0100
>
> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:
> > Or does IPCop2 just not include USB drivers ?
>
> It does, and I have used them on my IPCop box for years; better burn
> out an USBToRJ45 adapter than the motherboard when there is a storm
> strike on the ISP coax.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.

I have a coax lightning arrestor, hooked to a std copper ground rod, 
driven so only an inch sticks up, with about 18" of 8 gauge copper wire, 
interposed between the ISP's cable and the cable coming on in to the 
modem on a shelf about 6 feet from where I am sitting.  Zero damages in 
several years, and the pole the cable the ISP cable comes from has been 
smacked with mother natures best quite a few times in those same years.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#160304

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On 07/11/15 23:59, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>> Or does IPCop2 just not include USB drivers ?
> It does, and I have used them on my IPCop box for years; better burn out an USBToRJ45 adapter than the motherboard when there is a storm strike on the ISP coax.

Hang on, this is a wireless hotspot.  What coax?
-- 
Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL)

I haven't lost my mind...
  ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.

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#160305

On Sun, November 8, 2015 12:32 am, Stuart Longland wrote:
> On 07/11/15 23:59, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>
>>> Or does IPCop2 just not include USB drivers ?
>>>
>> It does, and I have used them on my IPCop box for years; better burn
>> out an USBToRJ45 adapter than the motherboard when there is a storm
>> strike on the ISP coax.
>
> Hang on, this is a wireless hotspot.  What coax?

Stuart,

I think that Renaud simply is remarking in passing that the USB adapter
between his cable modem and his computer running IPCop has saved the
computer from damage.  It appears that his cable modem has a USB output,
rather than an Ethernet output.

But the principal message from Renaud is that IPCop can use a USB input
for the WAN.  That being the case, there should be a not-too-difficult way
to get IPCop to use the USB output of the AirCard 791L.

Russ

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#160273

On Sat, November 7, 2015 4:26 am, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Doesn't your i386 machine have an available USB port ?
> Or does IPCop2 just not include USB drivers ?

It has a USB-2 port; and I suppose I can purchase a PCI card with a USB-3
port at the computer store.

In the IPCop manual, the only mention I see of USB is under [2.4 network
menu][2.4.1 dialup]:

>From the IPCop 2.0 manual:
INTERFACE. This will be either a Communications port (COM1-COM5,
ttyUSB0-4, noz0-1, ttyHS0-3, or usb/ttyACM0-3) used mostly for modems
and ISDN cards, or PPPoE which is used mostly for DSL connections.

>From the IPCop 1.4 manual:
INTERFACE. This will be either a Communications port (COM1-COM5,
ACM0-ACM3 or USB0-USB1) used mostly for modems and ISDN cards, or
PPPoE which is used mostly for DSL connections.

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