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| Started by | Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-10-22 08:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-10-22 21:00 +0200 |
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Reporting Bug Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 08:40 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Ondřej Grover <ondrej.grover@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 09:20 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 14:20 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 15:20 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 16:10 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 23:10 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-23 13:10 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 16:40 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2015-10-22 09:20 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 21:20 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-22 16:30 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 20:00 +0200
Re: Reporting Bug Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-22 21:00 +0200
| From | Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 08:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Reporting Bug |
| Message-ID | <qmhHz-2Ad-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I don't have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the installer? My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to not create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help via IRC was told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I confirmed through multiple installs that the apostrophe is the culprit. This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone more familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly appreciated if you would make sure it gets filed properly so it may be resolved. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall of text which immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug report anymore. Thanks.
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| From | Ondřej Grover <ondrej.grover@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 09:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmiki-3B6-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159622 |
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Hello Adrian, could you please be more specific about a few points? - what installer ISO did you use - did you use the text or graphical installer - what was the error message or what failed or happened exactly that stopped the installation I wasn't able to reproduce your problem in VirtualBox using the network installation ISO http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso and with almost all the default choices with the excpetion of these prompts - Full name of new user: "Adrian O'Dell" - user name: "adrian" I understand that you may not feel like reading a large page of text if you are in a hurry or feel you may not understand it. However, the Debian and other open-source projects keep living thanks to individuals like you that go the extra mile, devote some time to the cause and are willing to learn new things. Please consider supporting Debian (and through it all other projects based on it, including Linux Mint) through your extra effort in filing bug reports when needed. Kind regards, Ondřej Grover On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote: > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I don't > have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the installer? > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to not > create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help via IRC was > told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I confirmed through > multiple installs that the apostrophe is the culprit. > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone more > familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly appreciated if you > would make sure it gets filed properly so it may be resolved. > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall of text which > immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug report anymore. > > Thanks. > >
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmn0C-28d-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159624 |
On Thu 22 Oct 2015 at 09:18:24 +0200, Ondřej Grover wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I don't > > have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the installer? > > > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to not > > create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help via IRC was > > told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I confirmed through > > multiple installs that the apostrophe is the culprit. > > > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone more > > familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly appreciated if you > > would make sure it gets filed properly so it may be resolved. > > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall of text which > > immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug report anymore. > could you please be more specific about a few points? > - what installer ISO did you use > - did you use the text or graphical installer > - what was the error message or what failed or happened exactly that > stopped the installation > > I wasn't able to reproduce your problem in VirtualBox using the network > installation ISO > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso > and with almost all the default choices with the excpetion of these prompts > - Full name of new user: "Adrian O'Dell" > - user name: "adrian" My install was on bare metal. The outcome was identical to yours. > I understand that you may not feel like reading a large page of text if you > are in a hurry or feel you may not understand it. However, the Debian and > other open-source projects keep living thanks to individuals like you that > go the extra mile, devote some time to the cause and are willing to learn > new things. Please consider supporting Debian (and through it all other > projects based on it, including Linux Mint) through your extra effort in > filing bug reports when needed. The second line on the page says: We strongly recommend that you report bugs in Debian using the reportbug program. Making sure "it gets filed properly so it may be resolved" is not a responsibility of some third party unfamiliar with the details, especially if it is not reproducible for them.
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| From | Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 15:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmnWG-3uT-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159624 |
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On 22.10.2015 10:18, Ondřej Grover wrote: > Hello Adrian, > > could you please be more specific about a few points? > - what installer ISO did you use > - did you use the text or graphical installer > - what was the error message or what failed or happened exactly that > stopped the installation > > I wasn't able to reproduce your problem in VirtualBox using the > network installation ISO > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso > and with almost all the default choices with the excpetion of these > prompts > - Full name of new user: "Adrian O'Dell" > - user name: "adrian" > > I understand that you may not feel like reading a large page of text > if you are in a hurry or feel you may not understand it. However, the > Debian and other open-source projects keep living thanks to > individuals like you that go the extra mile, devote some time to the > cause and are willing to learn new things. Please consider supporting > Debian (and through it all other projects based on it, including Linux > Mint) through your extra effort in filing bug reports when needed. > > Kind regards, > Ondřej Grover > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com > <mailto:crimsonmane@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I > don't have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the > installer? > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer > to not create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek > help via IRC was told I must have done something wrong. Two days > ago I confirmed through multiple installs that the apostrophe is > the culprit. > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. > Anyone more familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly > appreciated if you would make sure it gets filed properly so it > may be resolved. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly > wall of text which immediately discouraged me from wanting to file > a bug report anymore. > > Thanks. > > I agree with the topic starter: the Debian's bug reporting process is horrible and not userfriendly from user's viewpoint. If an organization cares about usability and effectiveness of bug reporting process, it shouldn't be like that. Piyavkin
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 16:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmoJ5-4Fr-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159637 |
On Thu 22 Oct 2015 at 16:15:27 +0300, Piyavkin wrote: > On 22.10.2015 10:18, Ondřej Grover wrote: > >Hello Adrian, > > > >could you please be more specific about a few points? > >- what installer ISO did you use > >- did you use the text or graphical installer > >- what was the error message or what failed or happened exactly that > >stopped the installation > > > >I wasn't able to reproduce your problem in VirtualBox using the network > >installation ISO http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso > >and with almost all the default choices with the excpetion of these > >prompts > >- Full name of new user: "Adrian O'Dell" > >- user name: "adrian" > > > >I understand that you may not feel like reading a large page of text if > >you are in a hurry or feel you may not understand it. However, the Debian > >and other open-source projects keep living thanks to individuals like you > >that go the extra mile, devote some time to the cause and are willing to > >learn new things. Please consider supporting Debian (and through it all > >other projects based on it, including Linux Mint) through your extra > >effort in filing bug reports when needed. > > > >Kind regards, > >Ondřej Grover > > > >On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com > ><mailto:crimsonmane@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I > > don't have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the > > installer? > > > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer > > to not create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek > > help via IRC was told I must have done something wrong. Two days > > ago I confirmed through multiple installs that the apostrophe is > > the culprit. > > > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. > > Anyone more familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly > > appreciated if you would make sure it gets filed properly so it > > may be resolved. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly > > wall of text which immediately discouraged me from wanting to file > > a bug report anymore. > > > > Thanks. > > I agree with the topic starter: the Debian's bug reporting process is > horrible and not userfriendly from user's viewpoint. If an organization > cares about usability and effectiveness of bug reporting process, it > shouldn't be like that. If a user cares about the usability and effectiveness of the bug reporting process, more detail to back up the complaint would be welcome.
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| From | Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmvhw-5QV-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159639 |
On 22.10.2015 17:03, Brian wrote: > On Thu 22 Oct 2015 at 16:15:27 +0300, Piyavkin wrote: > >> On 22.10.2015 10:18, Ondřej Grover wrote: >>> Hello Adrian, >>> >>> could you please be more specific about a few points? >>> - what installer ISO did you use >>> - did you use the text or graphical installer >>> - what was the error message or what failed or happened exactly that >>> stopped the installation >>> >>> I wasn't able to reproduce your problem in VirtualBox using the network >>> installation ISO http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso >>> and with almost all the default choices with the excpetion of these >>> prompts >>> - Full name of new user: "Adrian O'Dell" >>> - user name: "adrian" >>> >>> I understand that you may not feel like reading a large page of text if >>> you are in a hurry or feel you may not understand it. However, the Debian >>> and other open-source projects keep living thanks to individuals like you >>> that go the extra mile, devote some time to the cause and are willing to >>> learn new things. Please consider supporting Debian (and through it all >>> other projects based on it, including Linux Mint) through your extra >>> effort in filing bug reports when needed. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Ondřej Grover >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com >>> <mailto:crimsonmane@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I >>> don't have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the >>> installer? >>> >>> My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer >>> to not create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek >>> help via IRC was told I must have done something wrong. Two days >>> ago I confirmed through multiple installs that the apostrophe is >>> the culprit. >>> >>> This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. >>> Anyone more familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly >>> appreciated if you would make sure it gets filed properly so it >>> may be resolved. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly >>> wall of text which immediately discouraged me from wanting to file >>> a bug report anymore. >>> >>> Thanks. >> I agree with the topic starter: the Debian's bug reporting process is >> horrible and not userfriendly from user's viewpoint. If an organization >> cares about usability and effectiveness of bug reporting process, it >> shouldn't be like that. > If a user cares about the usability and effectiveness of the bug > reporting process, more detail to back up the complaint would be > welcome. > > . > «more details» — that's exactly a good point for a good bug reporting system (or similar one). But before that, in the first place, there should be: «less details». *Problem* The purpose of a bug reporting system is to gather from end users and nodes all relevant information on issues with the real product behaviour to be aware of current situation (what will you do with the information then — is another question). It's better if the process is completely automated (invisible for users). If it is not, it should be as simple for user as possible, so as many involved users as possible could complete it. The problem with the Debian bug reporting process is that it is not so simple for ordinary user. And if you do it first time or rarely you should first investigate how to do it, manually (and unnecessarily) gather bits of information from different sources to finish the quest and just to send report. It involves a good deal of searching, reading, studying and tweaking settings, even if it is simplest case. For ordinary user it seems very annoying and frustrating. And even if the user's willing to report to help developers, he/she probably gives up and remains silent. And in result the information in the bug reporting system reflects only the part of the real picture: only the reports from users who were skilled or stubborn enough to break through the reporting process (and it is skewed bit of picture too, because the machines of the skilled users maintained better and differently than machines of ordinary/average users). *Example (case)* I've got some critical issue with kernel updates which prevented me from starting my system. So the only options I had to work through other PC or to start from LiveCD. First of all, what should I do to report the issue? I've searched and found the mentioned above page https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting with instructions. I was even not sure if I should address my report to the list. And I first asked here at debian-user. The participants here suggested that I probably should report bug. I've returned to the web-page. And had to plough through the wall of text on the page and its links, to understand what's significant here and what's not, and what exactly should I do. I couldn't use the «strongly recommended» reportbug program in the situation. And even if I could, there was no difference. Using hints from net-search I've played with boot-up parameters and somehow managed to start system (with some constraints). I've started the recommended reportbug and it informed me that: /«Please install the python-vte package to use the GTK+ (known as 'gtk2' in reportbug) interface. Falling back to 'text' interface. *** Unable to initialize gtk2 interface. Falling back to text interface.»/ It is how the app works out of the box on Debian 7.9. OK, I'm fine with text interface too. It asked me a row of common questions, showed me some mail template in some unfamiliar editor (without any hint what to do with the result: to save it somehow or just to quit) and failed because (I guess) I have no properly configured mail agent on my localhost and my provider is blocking standard SMTP ports for some evil reasons (though it was successfully connected to the server to provide some similarity choices from the recent bug reports). So I had to read 'man reportbug' to start it again and to get the mail template (with pretty common information — Debian version, kernel version, locales, …), to place it in usual mail agent, to fill it according instructions from the web-page mentioned before and to send it manually via email. It cost me a lot of time, and I just wanted to leave info about issue. And I even don't know yet if it's worth it, if somebody has seen the report. Because there is no request for additional information, no «Hmm…» response, nothing. *How it should be (in a perfect beautiful world)* For user there should be just task of reporting issue. The task is and should be simple. User shouldn't do other tasks — like install and configure software (sendmail or something), investigate about SMTP servers and ports, study manuals for some apps and unnecessary and poorly structured instructions, etc. — just to send a message. User shouldn't do anything what can do robot. As it could look in my view. Bug tracking system is a web-service with such reporting interfaces as application (~thick client), web-page, mail. /Web-page/ Web-page is most convenient and most reliable way to report for user. On the mentioned above web page instead of wall of text there is placed a huge red button «report a bug» and few links below to pages with short descriptions of alternative ways (app, mail) and «more details» in those. There is a standard form to fill. User is asked to fill just needed fields, and fills only those ones that he can, bug reporting system provides hints and examples straight in the form (or through «more details»). Selections from drop-down list are presented whenever possible. The process of reporting can be partitioned in steps: a) common information (what reportbug collects from user now, plus contact information); b) description according to template; c) system specific technical information («run such command, copy results here»). When every step is finished, provided data is recorded in database. Even if the process is not fully completed and there is no sufficient information to solve the problem, there is still information for analysis on types of bugs, their intensity, etc. In some cases user can be contacted through provided contact information and asked to give more details. /Mail/ Web-page with instructions for mail reporting also, instead of wall of text, contains just few lines of instructions («fill the form, copy resulted template, finish the blanks when ready, and send report on stated address») and form (as described above). /Application/ Bug report application in the system should be fully functional from the box, with all necessary components installed, with all proper settings done by default. User should know where to find it without searching in the Internet and asking in mailing lists (in «Applications > System» or «Applications > Standard» menues for example). And CLI version, of course. The program fills the report which user can later elaborate and change through the web-interface (link provided). - That is a large stroke vision of what most users can call user-friendly, in my view. I'm aware that there are many technical tasks to solve and some pretty serious work should be done to design and realize it (if any existing solution doesn't satisfy the needs, which I doubt). But the current Debian bug reporting system's usability looks like 20 years old. Sorry for too bloated message. Piyavkin
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 13:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmIoq-82A-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159653 |
On Fri 23 Oct 2015 at 00:03:02 +0300, Piyavkin wrote: > On 22.10.2015 17:03, Brian wrote: > >On Thu 22 Oct 2015 at 16:15:27 +0300, Piyavkin wrote: > > > >>I agree with the topic starter: the Debian's bug reporting process is > >>horrible and not userfriendly from user's viewpoint. If an organization > >>cares about usability and effectiveness of bug reporting process, it > >>shouldn't be like that. > > > >If a user cares about the usability and effectiveness of the bug > >reporting process, more detail to back up the complaint would be > >welcome. > > [...] > As it could look in my view. Bug tracking system is a web-service with such > reporting interfaces as application (~thick client), web-page, mail. > > /Web-page/ > > Web-page is most convenient and most reliable way to report for user. On the > mentioned above web page instead of wall of text there is placed a huge red > button «report a bug» and few links below to pages with short descriptions > of alternative ways (app, mail) and «more details» in those. > > There is a standard form to fill. User is asked to fill just needed fields, > and fills only those ones that he can, bug reporting system provides hints > and examples straight in the form (or through «more details»). Selections > from drop-down list are presented whenever possible. > > The process of reporting can be partitioned in steps: a) common information > (what reportbug collects from user now, plus contact information); b) > description according to template; c) system specific technical information > («run such command, copy results here»). When every step is finished, > provided data is recorded in database. Even if the process is not fully > completed and there is no sufficient information to solve the problem, there > is still information for analysis on types of bugs, their intensity, etc. In > some cases user can be contacted through provided contact information and > asked to give more details. This sounds suspiciously like a Bugzilla type process. The chances of Debian going that route are vanishingly small. Also see bug #277744: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277744 The reason for the 'wontfix' is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00381.html Any such frontend must not be worse than reportbug at actually gathering information and providing real contact information for the submitter. I personally don't think one for submission will ever be as useful as reportbug, which is why I've never worked on it myself, and why I've marked #277744 wontfix. The thread with msg00381 starts at https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00362.html It is worth a read to get some feeling for the issues involved. As far as I can determine the project was not completed, which might be an indication of the complexity in realising it or a lack of consensus on whether a web frontend for reporting bugs to the BTS is needed. [...]
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| From | Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmLFE-4cC-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159665 |
On 23.10.2015 14:00, Brian wrote: > On Fri 23 Oct 2015 at 00:03:02 +0300, Piyavkin wrote: > >> On 22.10.2015 17:03, Brian wrote: >>> On Thu 22 Oct 2015 at 16:15:27 +0300, Piyavkin wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with the topic starter: the Debian's bug reporting process is >>>> horrible and not userfriendly from user's viewpoint. If an organization >>>> cares about usability and effectiveness of bug reporting process, it >>>> shouldn't be like that. >>> If a user cares about the usability and effectiveness of the bug >>> reporting process, more detail to back up the complaint would be >>> welcome. >>> > [...] > >> As it could look in my view. Bug tracking system is a web-service with such >> reporting interfaces as application (~thick client), web-page, mail. >> >> /Web-page/ >> >> Web-page is most convenient and most reliable way to report for user. On the >> mentioned above web page instead of wall of text there is placed a huge red >> button «report a bug» and few links below to pages with short descriptions >> of alternative ways (app, mail) and «more details» in those. >> >> There is a standard form to fill. User is asked to fill just needed fields, >> and fills only those ones that he can, bug reporting system provides hints >> and examples straight in the form (or through «more details»). Selections >> from drop-down list are presented whenever possible. >> >> The process of reporting can be partitioned in steps: a) common information >> (what reportbug collects from user now, plus contact information); b) >> description according to template; c) system specific technical information >> («run such command, copy results here»). When every step is finished, >> provided data is recorded in database. Even if the process is not fully >> completed and there is no sufficient information to solve the problem, there >> is still information for analysis on types of bugs, their intensity, etc. In >> some cases user can be contacted through provided contact information and >> asked to give more details. > This sounds suspiciously like a Bugzilla type process. In the part of web-interface: kind of. Why not? > The chances of > Debian going that route are vanishingly small. Also see bug #277744: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277744 > > The reason for the 'wontfix' is at > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00381.html > > Any such frontend must not be worse than reportbug at actually > gathering information and providing real contact information for the > submitter. I personally don't think one for submission will ever be as > useful as reportbug, which is why I've never worked on it myself, and > why I've marked #277744 wontfix. > > The thread with msg00381 starts at > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00362.html > > It is worth a read to get some feeling for the issues involved. As far > as I can determine the project was not completed, which might be an > indication of the complexity in realising it or a lack of consensus on > whether a web frontend for reporting bugs to the BTS is needed. > > [...] Thanks for the info. I've read the thread, and mentioned bugs. March 2007… Well, I'm glad that the topic has been already rised by a specialist in usability (~10 years ago), many good points added in discussion by others too. I support the initiative from user's viewpoint. I see no sound arguments against that either (just can guess about motives). Actually the point is wider then just web-interface. It's about usability on the user's side. I have nothing against reportbug kind apps as itself. And why web-interface should compete with reportbug app, I wonder, if it already coexists with mail-channel (manually sent mail reports) and web-page based access to the base (I suppose with some elaborated CMS functionality). Anyway, I see that developers are aware about the need. It is good. And I'm hardly able to do something more on that beyond just wistfully expressing my personal opinion. Thanks again. Piyavkin
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| From | Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 09:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmiki-3B6-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159622 |
Normally I would put a backslash character in front of that apostrophe since it's a special character to bash at least and I suspect several other shell envioonments. Perhaps try O\'Dell by way of an example. I suspect mint hasn't been modified at all and that you haven't interacted so far with the shell environment in mint which may be why you haven't found this error in that distro yet. On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, Adrian O'Dell wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:15:10 > From: Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Reporting Bug > Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:33:12 +0000 (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I don't have > the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the installer? > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to not > create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help via IRC was > told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I confirmed through > multiple installs that the apostrophe is the culprit. > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone more > familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly appreciated if you > would make sure it gets filed properly so it may be resolved. > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall of text which > immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug report anymore. > > Thanks. > > --
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| From | Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmtz5-3kA-43@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159625 |
I'm well versed in bash. It just never occurred to me to escape the apostrophe in the real name field since it is supposed to be a string variable. Mint treats my input correctly, creating my user account as it should. Debian does not. I'll try escaping the apostrophe one of these days, but that's hardly the issue. The issue is the installer should sanitize user input. Thanks for the reply. Did you by chance create a bug report for this? On 10/22/2015 02:16 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Normally I would put a backslash character in front of that apostrophe > since it's a special character to bash at least and I suspect several > other shell envioonments. Perhaps try O\'Dell by way of an example. > I suspect mint hasn't been modified at all and that you haven't > interacted so far with the shell environment in mint which may be why > you haven't found this error in that distro yet. > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, Adrian O'Dell wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:15:10 >> From: Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Subject: Reporting Bug >> Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:33:12 +0000 (UTC) >> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> >> There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I >> don't have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the >> installer? >> >> My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to >> not create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help >> via IRC was told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I >> confirmed through multiple installs that the apostrophe is the culprit. >> >> This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone >> more familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly >> appreciated if you would make sure it gets filed properly so it may >> be resolved. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall of >> text which immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug >> report anymore. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >
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| From | Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmp2r-56v-37@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159622 |
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On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 01:15 -0500, Adrian O'Dell wrote: > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I > don't > have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the installer? > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to > not > create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help via > IRC > was told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I confirmed > through multiple installs that the apostrophe is the culprit. > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone > more > familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly appreciated if > you would make sure it gets filed properly so it may be resolved. > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall of text which > immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug report anymore. You can pretty much stop right after the first sentence and just use reportbug. The one gotcha is that reportbug needs either a working mail server configuration or an SMTP host. In your case you could use GMail: https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug#Using_GMail.27s_SMTP_Server Figuring out which package to file the bug against is another problem, but I'm sure the list can help out there too. -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 20:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmsjF-1kQ-39@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159640 |
On Thu 22 Oct 2015 at 16:19:49 +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 01:15 -0500, Adrian O'Dell wrote: > > There appears to be a bug which has Plagued me for years. Oddly I > > don't have the bug in Linux Mint. Did they edit this part of the > > installer? > > > > My name contains an apostrophe, which causes the Debian installer to > > not create my user account. Long time ago when I tried to seek help > > via IRC was told I must have done something wrong. Two days ago I > > confirmed through multiple installs that the apostrophe is the > > culprit. > > > > This is the only attempt I will make at filing a bug report. Anyone > > more familiar with filing a bug report, it would be greatly > > appreciated if you would make sure it gets filed properly so it may > > be resolved. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is an ugly wall > > of text which immediately discouraged me from wanting to file a bug > > report anymore. > > You can pretty much stop right after the first sentence and just use > reportbug. Strongly recommended. > The one gotcha is that reportbug needs either a working mail server > configuration or an SMTP host. In your case you could use GMail: > https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug#Using_GMail.27s_SMTP_Server There is no need to use GMail, a mailserver on the machine or an SMTP host. The novice operating mode of 'reportbug' has in its prompts: Do you have a "mail transport agent" (MTA) like Exim, Postfix or SSMTP configured on this computer to send mail to the Internet? [y|N|q|?]? n Please enter the name of your SMTP host. Usually it's called something like "mail.example.org" or "smtp.example.org". If you need to use a different port than default, use the <host>:<port> alternative format. Just press ENTER if you don't have one or don't know, and so a Debian SMTP host will be used. ~/.reportbugrc will have 'smtp reportbug.debian.org' in the file if ENTER is pressed. Not exactly a gotcha.
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| From | Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qmtfJ-2HW-49@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #159647 |
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On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 18:53 +0100, Brian wrote: > There is no need to use GMail, a mailserver on the machine or an SMTP > host. The novice operating mode of 'reportbug' has in its prompts: > > Do you have a "mail transport agent" (MTA) like Exim, > Postfix or SSMTP configured on this computer to send > mail to the Internet? [y|N|q|?]? n > > Please enter the name of your SMTP host. Usually it's > called something like "mail.example.org" or "smtp.example.org". > If you need to use a different port than default, use the > <host>:<port> alternative format. > > Just press ENTER if you don't have one or don't know, and so > a Debian SMTP host will be used. > > ~/.reportbugrc will have 'smtp reportbug.debian.org' in the file if > ENTER is pressed. > > Not exactly a gotcha. Wow, did not know that, very handy! -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5
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