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  [OT] Linux for Lettuce Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-10-23 11:10 +0200
    Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-23 12:00 +0200
    Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-10-23 14:30 +0200
      Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2015-10-23 15:40 +0200
        Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-10-23 17:10 +0200
          Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-10-23 17:30 +0200
            Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-10-24 11:30 +0200
              Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-10-24 12:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-10-28 16:50 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-10-28 19:00 +0100

#159663 — [OT] Linux for Lettuce

Thought some of you revolutionaries might be interested in the following
article on the Virginia Quarterly Review website:

http://www.vqronline.org/reporting-articles/2014/05/linux-lettuce

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#159664

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 09:01:01AM +0000, Curt wrote:
> Thought some of you revolutionaries might be interested in the following
> article on the Virginia Quarterly Review website:
> 
> http://www.vqronline.org/reporting-articles/2014/05/linux-lettuce

Thanks for the link. Very interesting read.

Sigh. The usual. Pissing on the commons.

In the Middle Ages you could get a public flogging for dirtying the
village well.

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#159670

On Friday 23 October 2015 05:01:01 Curt wrote:

> Thought some of you revolutionaries might be interested in the
> following article on the Virginia Quarterly Review website:
>
> http://www.vqronline.org/reporting-articles/2014/05/linux-lettuce

Hell of an idea.  That patenting of germplasm was a bad idea, and will 
forever be a bad idea.  This should begin to level the playing field 
between the monsantos, and syngenta's of the world.  I've seen this 
before, but when monsanto sued Percy Smyth was when it should have been 
slapped down once and for all time.  He is the canadian farmer who got 
sued and lost, because the wind blew pollen into his fields from a 
neighbors patented wheat.

One way to enforce it, and have a good chance of having a good garden, is 
to refuse to buy a seed packet unless it has that 3 sentence OSSI 
license on the packet.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#159672

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 08:24:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Hell of an idea.  That patenting of germplasm was a bad idea, and will 
> forever be a bad idea.  This should begin to level the playing field 
> between the monsantos, and syngenta's of the world.  I've seen this 
> before, but when monsanto sued Percy Smyth was when it should have been 
> slapped down once and for all time.  He is the canadian farmer who got 
> sued and lost, because the wind blew pollen into his fields from a 
> neighbors patented wheat.

You might want to research what really happened in that case (Smyth paid
nothing, for starters).
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!
Stupid mistakes you can correct!

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#159677

On Friday 23 October 2015 09:31:15 Carl Fink wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 08:24:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Hell of an idea.  That patenting of germplasm was a bad idea, and
> > will forever be a bad idea.  This should begin to level the playing
> > field between the monsantos, and syngenta's of the world.  I've seen
> > this before, but when monsanto sued Percy Smyth was when it should
> > have been slapped down once and for all time.  He is the canadian
> > farmer who got sued and lost, because the wind blew pollen into his
> > fields from a neighbors patented wheat.
>
> You might want to research what really happened in that case (Smyth
> paid nothing, for starters).

Now that I've had time to think, the name was Smyce or something like 
that. And he didn't have it to pay it, so the lein may still be on his 
property for all I know.  I don't claim to be 100% up to date on it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#159679

Hi,

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Now that I've had time to think, the name was Smyce

Percy Schmeiser's legal adventures match the story.
I understand he purposefully used the windfall genes from
the neighbor fields to produce his own Monsanto seeds.
(Canola (tm), not rapeseed, because people would not buy
 oil from rape, of course.)

He lost, but got away for cheap.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeiser


The interesting controversy would be, if i call myself breeder
and sue Monsanto for polluting my work with their patents, thus
depriving me of the right to squeeze money out of farmers.
If it's their genes, then they have the duty to keep them out
of my fields, as they have the duty to keep off their cattle.

Well, Monsanto genes are mostly illegal in Europe, anyway.
(Our patent office granted a patent on human genes. Against the
 law. Then it claimed the law prohibited to revoke it.
 Finally the patent holder gave it back after too much hate
 mail.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#159719

On 2015-10-23, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Well, Monsanto genes are mostly illegal in Europe, anyway.
> (Our patent office granted a patent on human genes. Against the
>  law. Then it claimed the law prohibited to revoke it.
>  Finally the patent holder gave it back after too much hate
>  mail.)
>

http://www.globalagriculture.org/whats-new/news/news/en/30521.html

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#159722

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Well, Monsanto genes are mostly illegal in Europe, anyway.

Curt wrote:
> http://www.globalagriculture.org/whats-new/news/news/en/30521.html

[patented broccoli]

Yep. That's the European Patent Office as we know it.
Happy to hand out patents for anything. This is good for
economy ... say the patent lawyers.

Monsanto's problem is not with getting patents but with
getting permission for their gene manipulated seeds.
Germans mistrust the genetech propaganda because it resembles
the nuclear power propaganda from decades ago.
Same liars = same poison.

The philosophical question is whether one shall applaud
a good decision which is made mainly out of ignorance
and prejudice.
If one is ready to accept the concept of "intellectual property",
then a few bacteria genes cannot but augment ones intellectual
capacity.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#159914

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:50:04 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:

> Monsanto's problem is not with getting patents but with
> getting permission for their gene manipulated seeds.
> Germans mistrust the genetech propaganda because it resembles
> the nuclear power propaganda from decades ago.
> Same liars = same poison.

Problem is not with their genetically modified stuff, but with their refusal to let GM stuff be labelled as such.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
          The only ethical principle which has made science possible
                is that the truth shall be told all the time.
            If we do not penalise false statements made in error,
    we open up the way, don’t you see, for false statements by intention.
         And of course a false statement of fact, made deliberately,
              is the most serious crime a scientist can commit.
                                                             -- C.P. Snow
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#159919

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Monsanto's problem is not with getting patents but with
> > getting permission for their gene manipulated seeds.

Ron wrote:
> Problem is not with their genetically modified stuff, but with their refusal
> to let GM stuff be labelled as such.

That's a slightly different (off-)topic.

Gene food for human consumption would have to be
labelled if it contains at least 1 percent of GM biomass.
Monsanto does not sell food here. But Nestle made a field
experiment with a labled product
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfinger#GMO_ingredients_lost_German_market
(One could buy it as birthday gift for a good old enemy.)

According to our environmentural authority, there are only
2 GM corn strains and 1 GM potato strain allowed for growing
in the EU. Only one corn strain may actually be produced:
"MON810" (sic).
  http://www.umweltbundesamt.at/umweltsituation/gentechnik/zulassungen/
(zorry, in german language)

The only way how GM produce is comming into the EU is as
cattle fodder. Corn and soy from both american continents.
GM fed cattle does not have to be labeled.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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