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  make system boot straight to browser connection tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 04:20 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:50 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2015-10-08 11:30 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-10-08 14:50 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-09 18:40 +0200
        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 19:40 +0200
        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-09 20:00 +0200
          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 20:50 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2015-10-09 21:10 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 21:20 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-09 22:00 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 23:10 +0200
                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-09 23:20 +0200
                  Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 23:50 +0200
                  Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-10 00:10 +0200
                    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-12 16:00 +0200
                      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-13 14:00 +0200
        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-15 10:40 +0200
          spelling error in [Re: make system boot straight to browser connection] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-15 11:00 +0200
          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection ??? <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-15 11:20 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 11:40 +0200
          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 02:50 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Martin Smith <lists@rakupottery.org.uk> - 2015-10-16 09:50 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 10:30 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-10-16 16:40 +0200
                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-16 22:30 +0200
                  Re: make system boot straight to browser connection David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-10-17 02:50 +0200
                    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 15:20 +0200
                    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-18 15:20 +0200
                      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-18 20:40 +0200
                        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-18 23:10 +0200
                          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-19 00:20 +0200
                      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-10-19 00:30 +0200
                        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 00:40 +0200
                        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-19 06:00 +0200
                          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 09:30 +0200
                            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-20 10:40 +0200
                              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-21 15:10 +0200
                                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2015-10-21 15:20 +0200
                                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:40 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-16 11:00 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 11:10 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-16 22:20 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 23:10 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-10-16 23:00 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-16 23:10 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-09 20:30 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-09 17:30 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 06:00 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 01:40 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Glenn English <ghe@slsware.net> - 2015-10-17 02:10 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 09:30 +0200

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#159191

On Thursday 15 October 2015 10:13:17 ??? wrote:
:-))

Brian, I rarely laugh out loud at my computer.  I did when I saw the sender of 
this mail.

Lisi

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#159232

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
>>
>> http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
>> gave no relevant links.
>>
>> A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
>>
>> I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome
>> 3!!!;}.
>> I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.
>>
>>
>
> I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
>   1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated that he ignores
>      how I phrase my questions.

NO, NO, NO!

Brian is just trying to tell you you are asking the wrong questions!

How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
inevitable coming standardization on systemd.

>   2. runt was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but didn't see
>      how to apply it to my preferences.

Brian is right about one thing, the various DEs are not unified on
this particular point.  Whether we should accept his implicit
assertion that systemd will (ultimately) unify the DEs (and servers
and IoT devices) on all things technical, well, I won't touch that
today.

> Prior to my post I had done a web search for "autologin". I did another with
> [I assume] slightly different criteria. I suspect "DE independence" may not
> be achievable.
>

Well, not exactly. Consider the differences between Android 4 and
Android 5 on this exact point.

One problem is that some kiosk mode techniques assume that you really
don't want to login at all, where others will require you to make a
choice of which user login to auto-login as.

(If you used Mac OS X, autologin is an option in the user management
control panel, or, at least, it was up until 10.4. It was a radio
button in the control panel where you changed passwords, etc. Required
authentication.

Android, on the other hand, up until Android 5, made up an ephemeral
user, so-to-speak, but it wasn't really ephemeral, and it basically
put all control over logging in into the hands of the manufacturer
(and carrier).

It's a seemingly simple question with big implications in the marketplace.

I know Android 5 changed, but I haven't bought a device to look at it
yet. Money is tight here. Likewise, I'm unfamiliar with iOS and Mac OS
since 10.5, etc.)

-- 
Joel Rees

Be careful when you look at conspiracy.
Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well:
http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2011/10/conspiracy-theories.html

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#159246

On 16/10/2015 01:46, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
>>>
>>> http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
>>> gave no relevant links.
>>>
>>> A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
>>>
>>> I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome
>>> 3!!!;}.
>>> I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.
>>>
>>>
>> I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
>>    1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated that he ignores
>>       how I phrase my questions.
> NO, NO, NO!
>
> Brian is just trying to tell you you are asking the wrong questions!
>
> How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
> inevitable coming standardization on systemd.
>
>>    2. runt was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but didn't see
>>       how to apply it to my preferences.
> Brian is right about one thing, the various DEs are not unified on
> this particular point.  Whether we should accept his implicit
> assertion that systemd will (ultimately) unify the DEs (and servers
> and IoT devices) on all things technical, well, I won't touch that
> today.
>
>> Prior to my post I had done a web search for "autologin". I did another with
>> [I assume] slightly different criteria. I suspect "DE independence" may not
>> be achievable.
>>
> Well, not exactly. Consider the differences between Android 4 and
> Android 5 on this exact point.
>
> One problem is that some kiosk mode techniques assume that you really
> don't want to login at all, where others will require you to make a
> choice of which user login to auto-login as.
>
> (If you used Mac OS X, autologin is an option in the user management
> control panel, or, at least, it was up until 10.4. It was a radio
> button in the control panel where you changed passwords, etc. Required
> authentication.

it still is an option in 10.11

>
> Android, on the other hand, up until Android 5, made up an ephemeral
> user, so-to-speak, but it wasn't really ephemeral, and it basically
> put all control over logging in into the hands of the manufacturer
> (and carrier).
>
> It's a seemingly simple question with big implications in the marketplace.
>
> I know Android 5 changed, but I haven't bought a device to look at it
> yet. Money is tight here. Likewise, I'm unfamiliar with iOS and Mac OS
> since 10.5, etc.)
>

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#159248

On Friday 16 October 2015 01:46:16 Joel Rees wrote:
> One problem is that some kiosk mode techniques assume that you really
> don't want to login at all, where others will require you to make a
> choice of which user login to auto-login as.

Surely, if you have to make a choice it is no longer *auto*login?

Lisi

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#159267

Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.reisz@gmail.com):
> On Friday 16 October 2015 01:46:16 Joel Rees wrote:
> > One problem is that some kiosk mode techniques assume that you really
> > don't want to login at all, where others will require you to make a
> > choice of which user login to auto-login as.
> 
> Surely, if you have to make a choice it is no longer *auto*login?

Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
to auto-login as."

IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.

Cheers,
David.

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#159279

David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.reisz@gmail.com):
>> On Friday 16 October 2015 01:46:16 Joel Rees wrote:
>>> One problem is that some kiosk mode techniques assume that you really
>>> don't want to login at all, where others will require you to make a
>>> choice of which user login to auto-login as.
>>
>> Surely, if you have to make a choice it is no longer *auto*login?
>
> Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
> to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
> called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
> to auto-login as."
>
> IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.

How
   Squeeze with Gnome2?
   Jessie with Mate?

The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set 
of privileges.

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#159291

Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
> David Wright wrote:
> >Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.reisz@gmail.com):
> >>On Friday 16 October 2015 01:46:16 Joel Rees wrote:
> >>>One problem is that some kiosk mode techniques assume that you really
> >>>don't want to login at all, where others will require you to make a
> >>>choice of which user login to auto-login as.
> >>
> >>Surely, if you have to make a choice it is no longer *auto*login?
> >
> >Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
> >to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
> >called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
> >to auto-login as."
> >
> >IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.
> 
> How
>   Squeeze with Gnome2?
>   Jessie with Mate?
> 
> The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
> privileges.

I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?"
Now when people ask questions like that, I puzzle over the meaning
of DE. To me, DE says Desktop Environment. I don't run a DE. I run X
with a window manager, fvwm. And does "DE independent" mean "works
regardless of which DE you use", or "works without a DE"?

Now if you mean to start X, then I thought that was what nodm was for.
"This package prepares the system to automatically start an X session
at system boot."

If you mean to just have a VC autologin VC, then I think that is what
this page is all about:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=169483
Obviously this is only a jessie solution, if solution it is, because
it uses systemd. (Well, it might work on wheezy if one had taken the
systemd option.)

Can't remember much about squeezy.

I'm not the best person to ask; my comment was only to try to clarify
the word "choice".

Cheers,
David.

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#159383

On Sunday 18 October 2015 14:10:54 Richard Owlett wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
> > Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
> >> David Wright wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>> Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
> >>> to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
> >>> called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
> >>> to auto-login as."
> >>>
> >>> IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the
> >>> machine.
> >>
> >> How
> >>    Squeeze with Gnome2?
> >>    Jessie with Mate?
> >>
> >> The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
> >> privileges.
> >
> > I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
>
> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
>
> I have 2 machines.
> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set
> [TBD] privileges.
> Power on yields operating system.

Now I *really* don't understand. :-(

Lisi

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#159384

David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
>> David Wright wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
>>> to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
>>> called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
>>> to auto-login as."
>>>
>>> IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.
>>
>> How
>>    Squeeze with Gnome2?
>>    Jessie with Mate?
>>
>> The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
>> privileges.
>
> I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]

I have 2 machines.
One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
One is Jessie with Mate DE.
Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set 
[TBD] privileges.
Power on yields operating system.

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#159405

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 08:10:54 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> David Wright wrote:
> >
> >I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
> 
> I have 2 machines.
> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> privileges.
> Power on yields operating system.

Squeeze Gnome2 is probably using gdm. What is the output of

  apt-get purge gdm

I do not know what Jessie Mate uses. What is the output of

  apt-get purge <display_manager_on mate>

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#159414

Brian wrote:
> On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 08:10:54 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> David Wright wrote:
>>>
r>>> I don't know. I don't really understand your original 
question. It
>> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
>>
>> I have 2 machines.
>> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
>> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
>> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
>> privileges.
>> Power on yields operating system.
>
> Squeeze Gnome2 is probably using gdm. What is the output of
>
>    apt-get purge gdm

That command structure is either *MALICIOUS* or sign of terminal 
ignorance.
Reading http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get 
suggests that
    "apt-get -s purge gdm"    would be much more reasonable.

My Squeeze machine is physically unavailable.
However, previous experiments APPEAR to IMPLY answer  is gdm3.
Identical experiments run on Wheezy were a "flop". One reason 
I've ignored that release as it required effort to get running 
while not suggesting any benefits.

>
> I do not know what Jessie Mate uses. What is the output of
>
>    apt-get purge <display_manager_on mate>

And just what might be <display_manager_on mate> sic/(sick)?

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#159418

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 16:05:41 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >
> >Squeeze Gnome2 is probably using gdm. What is the output of
> >
> >   apt-get purge gdm
> 
> That command structure is either *MALICIOUS* or sign of terminal ignorance.
> Reading http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get suggests
> that
>    "apt-get -s purge gdm"    would be much more reasonable.

There is a first time for everything. I've never before been accused of
having malicious intent or being ignorant. I could understand if at
times I had been placed in the latter category but people on this list
have generally been tolerant of gaps in my knowledge.

Use 'apt-get -s purge gdm' by all means if you are unable to locate the
'n' key.

> My Squeeze machine is physically unavailable.
> However, previous experiments APPEAR to IMPLY answer  is gdm3.

The actual output is required.

> Identical experiments run on Wheezy were a "flop". One reason I've ignored
> that release as it required effort to get running while not suggesting any
> benefits.
> 
> >I do not know what Jessie Mate uses. What is the output of
> >
> >   apt-get purge <display_manager_on mate>
> 
> And just what might be <display_manager_on mate> sic/(sick)?

The name of whatever display manager you are using. (Without < and >).
Lightdm, for example. Again, the actual output is required, not
something you dimly recollect. 

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#159419

Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
> David Wright wrote:
> >Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
> >>David Wright wrote:
> >>>[snip]
> >>>Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
> >>>to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
> >>>called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
> >>>to auto-login as."
> >>>
> >>>IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.
> >>
> >>How
> >>   Squeeze with Gnome2?
> >>   Jessie with Mate?
> >>
> >>The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
> >>privileges.
> >
> >I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
> 
> I have 2 machines.
> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> privileges.
> Power on yields operating system.

Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
username and password.

I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
(Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
linux itself boots when you power up.)

Because Mate tries to be like Gnome2 (AIUI), then the obvious option
for the same setup on both machines is to try to use the Legacy GDM
that Gnome2 used.

Have you tried that? What happened when you tried?

Indeed, have you tried anything, apart from the web search before you
posted? You seem to be very good at batting the suggestions that
people make in this thread, but that seems to be about all you do.

The rest of this posting consists of your contributions so far.

Cheers,
David.

--8<--------

09

How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
gave no relevant links.
A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome 3!!!;}.
I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.

--

15

I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated that he ignores
     how I phrase my questions.
2. runit was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but didn't see
     how to apply it to my preferences.
Prior to my post I had done a web search for "autologin". I did another with [I assume] slightly different criteria. I suspect "DE independence" may not be achievable.

--

16

ROFL! ;/
In https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00423.html

You have jumped to confusion. I have yet to decide. The only thing I will say definitely is that I have yet to be pointed to something written *by systemd developers* directed to *end users* saying what benefit the _end user_ gains.
My current Linux machine has Debian 8.0 with Mate DE and maximum use of defaults:
  no printer drivers as no printer
  no networking as no network (local OR internet) physically present
I skipped Wheezy for two reasons:
  Gnome3 default UI was unusable
  systemd was/is terra igcognita.
I tried Jessie as:
Mate was available as standard choice [I don't wish to consider backports]
  systemd dust seemed to be settling

I've no relevant Android experience.

--

16

How
  Squeeze with Gnome2?
  Jessie with Mate?
The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of privileges.

--

18

I have 2 machines.
One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
One is Jessie with Mate DE.
Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD] privileges.
Power on yields operating system.

--

18

That command structure is either *MALICIOUS* or sign of terminal ignorance. Reading http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get suggests that
   "apt-get -s purge gdm"    would be much more reasonable.
My Squeeze machine is physically unavailable.
However, previous experiments APPEAR to IMPLY answer  is gdm3.
Identical experiments run on Wheezy were a "flop". One reason I've ignored that release as it required effort to get running while not suggesting any benefits.

And just what might be <display_manager_on mate> sic/(sick)?

--

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#159420

On Sunday 18 October 2015 23:21:53 David Wright wrote:
> Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
> guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
> the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
> username and password.

If Richard wants to end up in a DE, why does the way he gets there have to be 
DE independent??  And where does the browser come in (see subject line)? And 
which browser?  Which browser, on which DE, makes a difference to what is the 
best way to get there.  But I thought he didn't want a DE.  So Lynx???

I routinely boot up without logging in, on everything but my netbook.  And any 
software I want opened up immediately, is opened up immediately, before I 
touch the computer.  I don't see what the fuss is about.  So, as I have 
mentioned before, I don't understand.

I like your summary!!

Lisi

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#159426

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:21:53PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
> > I have 2 machines.
> > One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> > One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> > Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> > privileges.
> > Power on yields operating system.
> 
> Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
> guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
> the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
> username and password.
> 
> I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
> (Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
> linux itself boots when you power up.)

And that's the trivial part, the non trivial part is locking down the
browser and DE so that the rest of the system is inaccessible by the end
user.

I would search google about setting up a kiosk system.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#159430

On Monday 19 October 2015 04:55:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:21:53PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > Quoting Richard Owlett (rowlett@cloud85.net):
> > > I have 2 machines.
> > > One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> > > One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> > > Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> > > privileges.
> > > Power on yields operating system.
> >
> > Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
> > guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
> > the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
> > username and password.
> >
> > I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
> > (Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
> > linux itself boots when you power up.)
>
> And that's the trivial part, the non trivial part is locking down the
> browser and DE so that the rest of the system is inaccessible by the end
> user.
>
> I would search google about setting up a kiosk system.

I know that various people have suggested that Richard may mean a kiosk 
system, but how does the above quotation from him mean that?

Lisi

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#159512

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 08:20:05AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 19 October 2015 04:55:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:21:53PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
> > > guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
> > > the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
> > > username and password.
> > >
> > > I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
> > > (Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
> > > linux itself boots when you power up.)
> >
> > And that's the trivial part, the non trivial part is locking down the
> > browser and DE so that the rest of the system is inaccessible by the end
> > user.
> >
> > I would search google about setting up a kiosk system.
> 
> I know that various people have suggested that Richard may mean a kiosk 
> system, but how does the above quotation from him mean that?

That's a best guest. Richard has already said that he want's to boot to
a browser without human interference, and so I assume[1] that he wants
someone to be able to browse the web without "messing" with the rest of
his computer.

That's a best guess from the information he's given us. 


[1] I know, if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME (yeah, I remember
Benny Hill.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#159568

Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 08:20:05AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Monday 19 October 2015 04:55:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:21:53PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
>>>> guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
>>>> the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
>>>> username and password.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
>>>> (Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
>>>> linux itself boots when you power up.)
>>>
>>> And that's the trivial part, the non trivial part is locking down the
>>> browser and DE so that the rest of the system is inaccessible by the end
>>> user.
>>>
>>> I would search google about setting up a kiosk system.
>>
>> I know that various people have suggested that Richard may mean a kiosk
>> system, but how does the above quotation from him mean that?
>
> That's a best guest. Richard has already said that he want's to boot to
> a browser without human interference,

No. I didn't. Really I didn't ;/
The OP asked how to "make system boot straight to browser 
connection".
The replies fell in three general groups:
   1. use kiosk mode
   2. A. set system for autologin
      B. start browser, go to desired page
      C. save session in Xfce
      D. on next power up, system would go to desired page
   3. my rephrasing of the question

The OP's question appeared to be a subset of one of mine. I did a 
web search for "kiosk mode". The pages I read indicated its setup 
was too restrictive for my use pattern. The assumed environment 
is a machine in a public space set up to safely respond to 
ignorant and/or malicious 'finger poking'. The "save session" 
approach did not seem suitable from the opposite direction. I 
wanted a specific program/script to be executed on power up. When 
that task finished, I would have other tasks on an as needed basis.

[
A possible [tough FICTIONAL] scenario could be:
    at a remote data collected and saved to flash drive
    return to home base
    insert flash drive, power up, do number crunching on latest data
    examine results
    take appropriate action as determined by examiner
]

> and so I assume[1] that he wants
> someone to be able to browse the web without "messing" with the rest of
> his computer.
>
> That's a best guess from the information he's given us.
>
>
> [1] I know, if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME (yeah, I remember
> Benny Hill.)

That predates Mr. Hill being old back when I was young.
>

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#159569

It occurs to me that, if one really wants to keep a user from mucking 
with the rest of one's computer (e.g., in a kiosk mode) - one might 
consider booting into a hypervisor (e.g., virtualbox) which in turn 
boots a very restricted virtual machine, set to autostart a browser.

Miles Fidelman

Richard Owlett wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 08:20:05AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> On Monday 19 October 2015 04:55:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:21:53PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
>>>>> guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment 
>>>>> as if
>>>>> the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
>>>>> username and password.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
>>>>> (Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
>>>>> linux itself boots when you power up.)
>>>>
>>>> And that's the trivial part, the non trivial part is locking down the
>>>> browser and DE so that the rest of the system is inaccessible by 
>>>> the end
>>>> user.
>>>>
>>>> I would search google about setting up a kiosk system.
>>>
>>> I know that various people have suggested that Richard may mean a kiosk
>>> system, but how does the above quotation from him mean that?
>>
>> That's a best guest. Richard has already said that he want's to boot to
>> a browser without human interference,
>
> No. I didn't. Really I didn't ;/
> The OP asked how to "make system boot straight to browser connection".
> The replies fell in three general groups:
>   1. use kiosk mode
>   2. A. set system for autologin
>      B. start browser, go to desired page
>      C. save session in Xfce
>      D. on next power up, system would go to desired page
>   3. my rephrasing of the question
>
> The OP's question appeared to be a subset of one of mine. I did a web 
> search for "kiosk mode". The pages I read indicated its setup was too 
> restrictive for my use pattern. The assumed environment is a machine 
> in a public space set up to safely respond to ignorant and/or 
> malicious 'finger poking'. The "save session" approach did not seem 
> suitable from the opposite direction. I wanted a specific 
> program/script to be executed on power up. When that task finished, I 
> would have other tasks on an as needed basis.
>
> [
> A possible [tough FICTIONAL] scenario could be:
>    at a remote data collected and saved to flash drive
>    return to home base
>    insert flash drive, power up, do number crunching on latest data
>    examine results
>    take appropriate action as determined by examiner
> ]
>
>> and so I assume[1] that he wants
>> someone to be able to browse the web without "messing" with the rest of
>> his computer.
>>
>> That's a best guess from the information he's given us.
>>
>>
>> [1] I know, if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME (yeah, I 
>> remember
>> Benny Hill.)
>
> That predates Mr. Hill being old back when I was young.
>>


-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra

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#159636

On Wednesday 21 October 2015 14:03:34 Richard Owlett wrote:
> 2. A. set system for autologin
>       B. start browser, go to desired page
>       C. save session in Xfce
>       D. on next power up, system would go to desired page

Just for the record, and not because I think taht it would be of any interest 
to Richard,

1. Install TDE
2. Set up auto-login
3. Start up Konqueror.
4.Shut down

Next time you boot up Konqueror will open on boot-up.  If it was on a specific 
webpage when you shut down, that one will open automatically.  If you were on 
several tabs, then several tabs will open.

This is the default.  If it has been turned off, it can be turned on again.

This applies to any TDE application.  I keep my calendar and email running all 
the time, and they open up automatically when I reboot.

Lisi

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