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make system boot straight to browser connection

Started bytom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com>
First post2015-10-08 04:20 +0200
Last post2015-10-17 09:30 +0200
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  make system boot straight to browser connection tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 04:20 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:50 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2015-10-08 11:30 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-10-08 14:50 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-09 18:40 +0200
        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 19:40 +0200
        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-09 20:00 +0200
          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 20:50 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2015-10-09 21:10 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 21:20 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-09 22:00 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-09 23:10 +0200
                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-09 23:20 +0200
                  Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 23:50 +0200
                  Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-10 00:10 +0200
                    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection James Richardson <james@jamestechnotes.com> - 2015-10-12 16:00 +0200
                      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-13 14:00 +0200
        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-15 10:40 +0200
          spelling error in [Re: make system boot straight to browser connection] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-15 11:00 +0200
          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection ??? <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-15 11:20 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 11:40 +0200
          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 02:50 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Martin Smith <lists@rakupottery.org.uk> - 2015-10-16 09:50 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 10:30 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-10-16 16:40 +0200
                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-16 22:30 +0200
                  Re: make system boot straight to browser connection David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-10-17 02:50 +0200
                    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 15:20 +0200
                    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-18 15:20 +0200
                      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-18 20:40 +0200
                        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-18 23:10 +0200
                          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-19 00:20 +0200
                      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-10-19 00:30 +0200
                        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 00:40 +0200
                        Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-19 06:00 +0200
                          Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 09:30 +0200
                            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-20 10:40 +0200
                              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-21 15:10 +0200
                                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2015-10-21 15:20 +0200
                                Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:40 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-16 11:00 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 11:10 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-16 22:20 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 23:10 +0200
            Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-10-16 23:00 +0200
              Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-16 23:10 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-09 20:30 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-09 17:30 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 06:00 +0200
    Re: make system boot straight to browser connection tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 01:40 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Glenn English <ghe@slsware.net> - 2015-10-17 02:10 +0200
      Re: make system boot straight to browser connection Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 09:30 +0200

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#159251

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2015-10-16 11:00 +0200
Message-ID<qk91M-1e0-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159232
On Fri 16 Oct 2015 at 09:46:16 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> > Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
> >>
> >> http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
> >> gave no relevant links.
> >>
> >> A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
> >>
> >> I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome
> >> 3!!!;}.
> >> I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
> >   1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated that he ignores
> >      how I phrase my questions.
> 
> NO, NO, NO!
> 
> Brian is just trying to tell you you are asking the wrong questions!
> 
> How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
> inevitable coming standardization on systemd.
> 
> >   2. runt was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but didn't see
> >      how to apply it to my preferences.
> 
> Brian is right about one thing, the various DEs are not unified on
> this particular point.  Whether we should accept his implicit
> assertion that systemd will (ultimately) unify the DEs (and servers
> and IoT devices) on all things technical, well, I won't touch that
> today.

I cannot see where I asserted anything like that (by implication or
otherwise).

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#159253

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-16 11:10 +0200
Message-ID<qk9bs-1EB-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159251
On Friday 16 October 2015 09:51:47 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 16 Oct 2015 at 09:46:16 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> 
wrote:
> > > Richard Owlett wrote:
> > >> [snip]
> > >>
> > >> How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
> > >>
> > >> http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
> > >> gave no relevant links.
> > >>
> > >> A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
> > >>
> > >> I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome
> > >> 3!!!;}.
> > >> I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.
> > >
> > > I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
> > >   1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated that he
> > > ignores how I phrase my questions.
> >
> > NO, NO, NO!
> >
> > Brian is just trying to tell you you are asking the wrong questions!
> >
> > How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
> > inevitable coming standardization on systemd.
> >
> > >   2. runt was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but
> > > didn't see how to apply it to my preferences.
> >
> > Brian is right about one thing, the various DEs are not unified on
> > this particular point.  Whether we should accept his implicit
> > assertion that systemd will (ultimately) unify the DEs (and servers
> > and IoT devices) on all things technical, well, I won't touch that
> > today.
>
> I cannot see where I asserted anything like that (by implication or
> otherwise).

Nor I.  I thought that the fact I remembered nothing like it was further 
evidence of my encroaching ?senility?

Lisi

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#159278

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2015-10-16 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<qkjDQ-ax-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159232
Joel Rees wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
>>>
>>> http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
>>> gave no relevant links.
>>>
>>> A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
>>>
>>> I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome
>>> 3!!!;}.
>>> I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
r>>    1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated 
that he ignores
>>       how I phrase my questions.
>
> NO, NO, NO!
>
> Brian is just trying to tell you you are asking the wrong questions!

ROFL! ;/
In https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00423.html
Brian wrote:
> I wrote:
>>[snip]
>> I explicitly tried to eliminate GUI and GUI-like responses by subject line.
> I explicitly ignored the effort. :)

>
> How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
> inevitable coming standardization on systemd.

You have jumped to confusion. I have yet to decide. The only 
thing I will say definitely is that I have yet to be pointed to 
something written *by systemd developers* directed to *end users* 
saying what benefit the _end user_ gains.

My current Linux machine has Debian 8.0 with Mate DE and maximum 
use of defaults:
   no printer drivers as no printer
   no networking as no network (local OR internet) physically present
I skipped Wheezy for two reasons:
   Gnome3 default UI was unusable
   systemd was/is terra igcognita.
I tried Jessie as:
   Mate was available as standard choice [I don't wish to 
consider backports]
   systemd dust seemed to be settling


>
>>    2. runit was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but didn't see
>>       how to apply it to my preferences.
>
> Brian is right about one thing, the various DEs are not unified on
> this particular point.  Whether we should accept his implicit
> assertion that systemd will (ultimately) unify the DEs (and servers
> and IoT devices) on all things technical, well, I won't touch that
> today.
>
>> Prior to my post I had done a web search for "autologin". I did another with
>> [I assume] slightly different criteria. I suspect "DE independence" may not
>> be achievable.
>>
>
> Well, not exactly. Consider the differences between Android 4 and
> Android 5 on this exact point.[snip]

I've no relevant Android experience.

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#159282

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-16 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<qkkqd-1lw-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159278
On Friday 16 October 2015 21:13:43 Richard Owlett wrote:
> I skipped Wheezy for two reasons:
>    Gnome3 default UI was unusable
>    systemd was/is terra igcognita.

Not using Wheezy to avoid systemd is novel. All you have to do to use Wheezy 
and avoid systemd is install a default Wheezy.

> I tried Jessie as:

>    systemd dust seemed to be settling

*Jessie* is the first version with default systemd.  And that is an odd idea 
of dust settling!

Lisi

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#159280

FromRenaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Date2015-10-16 23:00 +0200
Message-ID<qkkgy-U5-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159232
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:46:16 +0900
Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:

> How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
> inevitable coming standardization on systemd.

Are you aware how this sound, which bringsg to mind "We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile"...
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                  Force has no place where skill is needed.
                                               -- Herodotus
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --

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#159281

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2015-10-16 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<qkkqd-1lw-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159280
On Fri 16 Oct 2015 at 17:49:01 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:46:16 +0900
> Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > How much EASIER it would be if you would only give in to the
> > inevitable coming standardization on systemd.
> 
> Are you aware how this sound, which bringsg to mind "We are systemd of
> Borg, resistance is futile"...

I wish you had not said that. It's another sleepless night ahead of me.

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#158720

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2015-10-09 20:30 +0200
Message-ID<qhKAx-1Gw-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#158684
Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:13:01 -0700
> tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to setup a system so that when the power button is pushed on
>> the PC, the system connects to the internet and starts a browser
>> without a login or any other intervention by the user.
>>
>> There are no security issues.
>>
>> Is this doable?
>>
>
> Definitely doable. I do it every day. Set up my computer for autologin,
> open browser to page wanted. Save session in Xfce. Every time the
> computer is restarted, it comes up, logs in, starts firefox.
>

How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?

http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin&apropos=1
gave no relevant links.

A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.

I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome 
3!!!;}.
I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.

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#158711

FromChris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz>
Date2015-10-09 17:30 +0200
Message-ID<qhHMm-63K-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#158673
On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 07:13:01PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> I want to setup a system so that when the power button is pushed on
> the PC, the system connects to the internet and starts a browser
> without a login or any other intervention by the user.
> 
> There are no security issues.
> 
> Is this doable?

You mean like a Kiosk system? Yes, very common and doable. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#158749

Fromtom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-10 06:00 +0200
Message-ID<qhTua-5Xy-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#158673
Folks!

thanks for your help. the expertise and helpfulness of this list is
the reason i run Debian. hopefully one day i'll be able to make more
of a contribution to the Debian community.

regards,

T


-- 
Once its survival is on the line, a species will often find powers
unimaginable in the days of its complacency.


On 10/7/15, tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to setup a system so that when the power button is pushed on
> the PC, the system connects to the internet and starts a browser
> without a login or any other intervention by the user.
>
> There are no security issues.
>
> Is this doable?
>

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#159288

Fromtom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-17 01:40 +0200
Message-ID<qkmLo-4Eg-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#158673
what prevents Debian from providing an alternate boot option in Jessie
which does not use systemd? My Wheezy system seems to do this.

On 10/7/15, tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to setup a system so that when the power button is pushed on
> the PC, the system connects to the internet and starts a browser
> without a login or any other intervention by the user.
>
> There are no security issues.
>
> Is this doable?
>


-- 
Once its survival is on the line, a species will often find powers
unimaginable in the days of its complacency.

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#159290

FromGlenn English <ghe@slsware.net>
Date2015-10-17 02:10 +0200
Message-ID<qknep-5tf-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159288
> On 10/7/15, tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I want to setup a system so that when the power button is pushed on
>> the PC, the system connects to the internet and starts a browser
>> without a login or any other intervention by the user.
>> 
>> There are no security issues.
>> 
>> Is this doable?

Sure, no problem. Just put a little script in init.d -- oh, wait a minute...

-- 
Glenn English

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#159302

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-17 09:30 +0200
Message-ID<qku6e-71t-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#159288
On Saturday 17 October 2015 00:38:09 tom arnall wrote:
> what prevents Debian from providing an alternate boot option in Jessie
> which does not use systemd? My Wheezy system seems to do this.

Nothing.  It provides one.

Lisi
>
> On 10/7/15, tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I want to setup a system so that when the power button is pushed on
> > the PC, the system connects to the internet and starts a browser
> > without a login or any other intervention by the user.
> >
> > There are no security issues.
> >
> > Is this doable?

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