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  unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 06:10 +0200
    Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-13 16:40 +0200
      Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-13 17:20 +0200
    Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-13 17:20 +0200
      Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 19:10 +0200
        Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-13 19:50 +0200
        Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:30 +0200
          Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 22:20 +0200
            Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 22:40 +0200
            Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-10-13 23:40 +0200
              Re: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-14 00:10 +0200
              Re: [OT] top-posting (was: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 09:10 +0200

#159004 — unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation

Previously during install, when selecting which Mirror to use, one could 
press the up arrow and get a line to input a custom mirror location, 
such as one kept locally. This feature seems to have been removed from 
Debian8 installer.

***

For a console-only (non-gui) environment, there should be added to the 
list of GUIs "Console-Only" (or whatever wording you desire). Currently 
it is assumed that no selection means no gui, which makes sense HOWEVER 
if one deselected the bottom option "standard system utilities" gnome is 
installed.

"standard system utilities" is vague; one would think this is such like 
whois, tracert, etc. Perhaps this option should be removed, in tandem 
with "Console-Only" being added.

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#159043

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:07:35 -0500, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:

> Previously during install, when selecting which Mirror to use, one could 
> press the up arrow and get a line to input a custom mirror location, 
> such as one kept locally. This feature seems to have been removed from 
> Debian8 installer.
> 
> ***
> 
> For a console-only (non-gui) environment, there should be added to the 
> list of GUIs "Console-Only" (or whatever wording you desire). Currently 
> it is assumed that no selection means no gui, which makes sense HOWEVER 
> if one deselected the bottom option "standard system utilities" gnome is 
> installed.
> 
> "standard system utilities" is vague; one would think this is such like 
> whois, tracert, etc. Perhaps this option should be removed, in tandem 
> with "Console-Only" being added.

So what does 'standard system utilities' actually mean? What does it install? I
always install from netinstall, and prefer text-mode environments. I usually
install X and a window manager later so I don't have to deal with a login
manager. In the past, I was always unsure of what 'standard system utilities'
actually meant, but took it as a euphemism for a basic text-mode environment.
Is this the case?

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#159049

On Tue 13 Oct 2015 at 17:37:15 +0300, moxalt wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:07:35 -0500, Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > "standard system utilities" is vague; one would think this is such like 
> > whois, tracert, etc. Perhaps this option should be removed, in tandem 
> > with "Console-Only" being added.
> 
> So what does 'standard system utilities' actually mean? What does it install? I
> always install from netinstall, and prefer text-mode environments. I usually
> install X and a window manager later so I don't have to deal with a login
> manager. In the past, I was always unsure of what 'standard system utilities'
> actually meant, but took it as a euphemism for a basic text-mode environment.
> Is this the case?

Packages that developers think you will find useful to be on your system.
For a list:

  aptitude search ~pstandard

The package list is subject to alteration with each release.

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#159050

On Mon 12 Oct 2015 at 23:07:35 -0500, Adrian O'Dell wrote:

> Previously during install, when selecting which Mirror to use, one could
> press the up arrow and get a line to input a custom mirror location, such as
> one kept locally. This feature seems to have been removed from Debian8
> installer.

The last time I looked you go to the top of the list for this.

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#159056

Yes, the last time you looked was probably Debian7. I was fully 
expecting to see it on Debian8.

On 10/13/2015 10:19 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 12 Oct 2015 at 23:07:35 -0500, Adrian O'Dell wrote:
>
>> Previously during install, when selecting which Mirror to use, one could
>> press the up arrow and get a line to input a custom mirror location, such as
>> one kept locally. This feature seems to have been removed from Debian8
>> installer.
> The last time I looked you go to the top of the list for this.
>

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#159061

On Tue 13 Oct 2015 at 12:05:36 -0500, Adrian O'Dell wrote:

> On 10/13/2015 10:19 AM, Brian wrote:
> >On Mon 12 Oct 2015 at 23:07:35 -0500, Adrian O'Dell wrote:
> >
> >>Previously during install, when selecting which Mirror to use, one could
> >>press the up arrow and get a line to input a custom mirror location, such as
> >>one kept locally. This feature seems to have been removed from Debian8
> >>installer.
> >The last time I looked you go to the top of the list for this.
> 
> Yes, the last time you looked was probably Debian7. I was fully expecting to
> see it on Debian8.

The point I was making is that the facility to provide your own mirror
*is* there. On a Jessie i386 installer at least.

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#159063

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:05:36 -0500
Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, the last time you looked was probably Debian7. I was fully 
> expecting to see it on Debian8.

It seems that you have not looked hard enough then. It's there, I just
made a screenshot of it.

Reco

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#159075

	Hi.

Please do not top post. And please do not send html e-mails to the list.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:40:08 -0500
Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is not what appears in Debian 8, netinst. Here is the one that appears:

Ok. I've just downloaded netinst iso from here:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso

$ md5sum debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
762eb3dfc22f85faf659001ebf270b4f  debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
$ sha1sum debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
a41801dcc0e37bce2406e18b334f99ae366d6fde  debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso

Launched it, poked it a bit, and ... lo and behold - I've got my
favorite "enter information manually" just after the "base system
install".

Because apparently you choose certain "Debian archive mirror
country" (US I presume from the list of the mirrors) and what you
really needed was right at the top of the *country selection list*.
So, again, apparently you have not looked hard enough.

Of course, there's another possibility is that you managed to try to
install from a counterfeit Debian netinst image :)

Reco

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#159077

On 10/13/2015 03:16 PM, Reco wrote:
> Ok. I've just downloaded netinst iso from here: 
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
> $ md5sum debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
> 762eb3dfc22f85faf659001ebf270b4f debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso $ 
> sha1sum debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
> a41801dcc0e37bce2406e18b334f99ae366d6fde 
> debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso Launched it, poked it a bit, and ... lo 
> and behold - I've got my favorite "enter information manually" just 
> after the "base system install". Because apparently you choose certain 
> "Debian archive mirror country" (US I presume from the list of the 
> mirrors) and what you really needed was right at the top of the 
> *country selection list*. So, again, apparently you have not looked 
> hard enough. Of course, there's another possibility is that you 
> managed to try to install from a counterfeit Debian netinst image :) Reco 


It is at country selection; I was going one step too far looking for it. 
Thanks for that.

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#159079

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:16:03 +0300
Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> wrote:

> 	Hi.
> 
> Please do not top post. And please do not send html e-mails to the list.
> 
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:40:08 -0500
> Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > That is not what appears in Debian 8, netinst. Here is the one that appears:  
<snip>

You preach by example ?   ;-3)
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
      Hate is like acid. It can damage the vessel in which it is stored
             as well as destroy the object on which it is poured.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#159084

On Tue 13 Oct 2015 at 18:31:27 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:16:03 +0300
> Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 	Hi.
> > 
> > Please do not top post. And please do not send html e-mails to the list.
> > 
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:40:08 -0500
> > Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > That is not what appears in Debian 8, netinst. Here is the one that appears:  
> <snip>
> 
> You preach by example ?   ;-3)

No. he gave considerable help to the OP by revealing the incorrect step
taken in using the installer. You are a bit late to the party and didn't
have your glad rags on.

Next time, please try to offer help at the start of the thread.

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#159126 — Re: [OT] top-posting (was: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation)

	Hi.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:31:27 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:16:03 +0300
> Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 	Hi.
> > 
> > Please do not top post. And please do not send html e-mails to the list.
> > 
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:40:08 -0500
> > Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > That is not what appears in Debian 8, netinst. Here is the one that appears:  
> <snip>
> 
> You preach by example ?   ;-3)

Only if the situation calls for it. This one did :)
And the best place for a friendly advice about top-posting is at the
top.

Reco

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