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  Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie  and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 15:40 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 17:10 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 17:20 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 18:50 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 19:40 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-11 20:20 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 21:10 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-11 23:30 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 00:10 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-12 02:00 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-12 17:00 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 19:20 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-10-10 20:40 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 22:40 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 23:30 +0200
            Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 00:00 +0200
              Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 01:00 +0200
                Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 01:10 +0200
                Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-11 23:00 +0200
                  Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce,  etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-10-11 23:30 +0200
                    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 00:20 +0200
                      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-12 12:50 +0200
                        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-12 14:30 +0200
                          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-12 17:30 +0200
                            Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 06:50 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 21:40 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2015-10-11 09:20 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues ( scanning solved) Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-14 06:30 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-11 15:20 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 20:00 +0200

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#158929 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Sunday 11 October 2015 22:25:00 Doug wrote:
> On 10/11/2015 04:54 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 23:51 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> On Saturday 10 October 2015 22:51:17 Peter Berlau wrote:
> >>> I still like Lenevo most, but i not very familar in "making
> >>
> >> hardware run
> >>
> >>> under Debian"...
> >>
> >> As I said in the beginning, I have a strong "emotional" attachment to
> >> Lenovo.
> >> And traditionally Lenovo laptops have been very good with Linux.
> >> There is
> >> even a site dedicated to Linux users and IBM has some excellent on
> >> -line free
> >> tuition for linux users.
> >
> > I have been quite happy with Lenovo too. Unfortunately there was the
> > whole debacle with SuperFish so I'm not sure what the next system will
> > be.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Superfish
> > (In german: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Kritik )
>
> "IBM has some excellent on-line free tuition for linux users."
>
> There seems to be a number of sites with IBM and Linux. What site are you
> referring to?
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/libraryview.jsp?type_by=Tutorials

Some of them are excellent.

Lisi

>
> --doug

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#158951 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Superfish
> > > (In german: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Kritik )

Oops, but affects that if using the notebook with Debian/GNU?
Sure, i need windows too, but only for Band-in-a-Box ( Music-app under
Windows )
And, afaik, windows generally "grab"("steal" , "sucks") (?) data and
information from Your Windows-Computer(s)?

> >
> > "IBM has some excellent on-line free tuition for linux users."
> >
> > There seems to be a number of sites with IBM and Linux. What site are you
> > referring to?
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/libraryview.jsp?type_by=Tutorials
> 
Great! Thank You, Lisi!

Best Regards, 
	Peter

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#158959 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

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Oops, but affects that if using the notebook with Debian/GNU?
> Sure, i need windows too, but only for Band-in-a-Box ( Music-app
> under
> Windows )
> And, afaik, windows generally "grab"("steal" , "sucks") (?) data and
> information from Your Windows-Computer(s)?

No, it doesn't matter if you use Debian.

I would personally like not to give money to companies that show such
bad judgement, but if you're shopping for a computer for Debian your
choices are already limited. 

Samsung, for example, shipped computers with security updates turned
off, to work around a bug in their drivers, 
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/208939-samsung-silently-disables-windows-update-on-pcs

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#158972 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi Sven,

You are right, normally I prefer fair companies.
That is the "main-thing" I leave apple-computers and
go back to Debian.
I switched in 2009 to apple, because I needed some 
music software and some easy to handle Web-Design-Tool.
Now, after I installed Debian for my women and looked what happened 
new in Debian I found,  all software I needed except "band-in-abox"
is available under Debian.
That was, for me, so great i update all my computers to Debian.
powerbook ( 2004 ) make some minor problems, all other ( iMac 2010 and
Intel-PC ) works fine "out of the box"...

Is Samsung good for Debian ( jessie, stable ) ?

Thanks for advice, 
best regards, Peter


Am Montag, den 12.10.2015, 14:25 +0200 schrieb Sven Arvidsson:
> Oops, but affects that if using the notebook with Debian/GNU?
> > Sure, i need windows too, but only for Band-in-a-Box ( Music-app
> > under
> > Windows )
> > And, afaik, windows generally "grab"("steal" , "sucks") (?) data and
> > information from Your Windows-Computer(s)?
> 
> No, it doesn't matter if you use Debian.
> 
> I would personally like not to give money to companies that show such
> bad judgement, but if you're shopping for a computer for Debian your
> choices are already limited. 
> 
> Samsung, for example, shipped computers with security updates turned
> off, to work around a bug in their drivers, 
> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/208939-samsung-silently-disables-windows-update-on-pcs
> 

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#159009 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On 10/12/2015 8:20 AM, Peter Berlau wrote:
> Hi Sven,
>
> You are right, normally I prefer fair companies.
> That is the "main-thing" I leave apple-computers and
> go back to Debian.
> I switched in 2009 to apple, because I needed some
> music software and some easy to handle Web-Design-Tool.
> Now, after I installed Debian for my women and looked what happened
> new in Debian I found,  all software I needed except "band-in-abox"
> is available under Debian.
> That was, for me, so great i update all my computers to Debian.
> powerbook ( 2004 ) make some minor problems, all other ( iMac 2010 and
> Intel-PC ) works fine "out of the box"...
>
> Is Samsung good for Debian ( jessie, stable ) ?
>
>
After the issue I just ran into, I have a hard time recommending Samsung 
laptops to
any one.

Apparently there are several models of Samsung laptops where hitting 
'F2' to get into
the bios, then turning off UEFI leads to a situation where you can't get 
back into the
BIOS again. =-O

The support page for the model I was working on did not have an update 
for the BIOS.

Installing Windows 8 on a different hard drive and looking for the 
option there to get
into the bios didn't work either since UEFI was turned off.

Some models have a software updater that will get bios updates, but not 
for the
model I was working on.

Eventually found my way to this thread....

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/samsung-laptops-roll-back-bios-updates.696197/

A couple times through the instructions to see how the earlier link 
works that gives you the name
you need to substitute in the later link that actually downloads the 
BIOS update.

Then was able to flash the bios and get back into [t  to turn UEFI back on.

What a PITA. :-(

Would also avoid the models of Toshiba laptops that are designed in a 
way that the keyboard can
not be easily replaced without replacing the whole palm rest.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/161849099488?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82

Personally I like Lenovo, lean a little toward the Thinkpads over the 
other models.

Later, Seeker

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#158794 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

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On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 19:46 +0200, Peter Berlau wrote:
> do intel have own "complete" Notebook
> or have i to check "inventory"-List?

Hi,

I don't think there's a list, best to check the specifications
directly.

> Is it a good idea to switch from xfce to gnome?
> xfce runs fast on all computers ( powerbook, Intel [noname]  and iMac
> )...

GNOME comes with good defaults and makes it a lot easier to set up
things, but it does require a faster computer than Xfce. With Xfce you
need to set up more things yourself, but you can always get help on the
mailing list for that.

I suggest you try both (and any other desktop environments out there)
and see what suits you best.

Also, please reply to the list. That way everyone can take part in the
discussion (and you get more and better replies!).

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#158831 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:31:11 +0200
Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> wrote:

> WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
> prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong argument" 
> I did not know what this mean or
> what i should do...

Take a look here, there are some good suggestions on how to get
scanning from HP devices working:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sane#For_HP_hardware

According to the following page, scanning should work:

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_7500_e910.html

Petter

-- 
"I'm ionized"
"Are you sure?"
"I'm positive."

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#159117 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues ( scanning solved)

Hi Petter,


thanks for tipp! It now works.

Printer: HP Officejet 7500a driver hp-officejet_7500_e910.ppd

1. start hp-setup   
2. connect via usb
3. wait(!) until system has automatically installed printers
4. disconnect usb cable
5. use the 
   Network/Ethernet/Wireless network (direct connection or JetDirect  ) 
6. give ip-address
7. type wifi-password in   

Printing and scanning works fine...
Other "wireless" option printer works, scanner fails...

Best Regards, Peter


Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2015, 09:19 +0200 schrieb Petter Adsen:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:31:11 +0200
> Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> > WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
> > prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong argument" 
> > I did not know what this mean or
> > what i should do...
> 
> Take a look here, there are some good suggestions on how to get
> scanning from HP devices working:
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sane#For_HP_hardware
> 
> According to the following page, scanning should work:
> 
> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_7500_e910.html
> 
> Petter
> 

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#158867 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Peter Berlau wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Can You please help me?
>
> i updated all of our computer to Debian 8 jessie
>
> hardware
>      1. 64 bit Intel ( noname ) 4 GB-RAM         .. o.k.
>      2. apple powerbook ( 2004 ) 2 GB RAM    .. no sound
>      3. apple iMac ( 2010 ) 8 GB RAM              ..  o.k.
>
> i installed on all these 'xfce'  this runs ok
> as I see, here in list, some problems are solved if switched to
> gnome ?


If you don't like the "look and feel" of Gnome3 (many don't), I 
find Mate to be comfortable to use.


>
>
> Other Probs i have
>
> WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
> prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong
> argument" I did not know what this mean or
> what i should do...

Links and sub-links from 
https://www.google.com/search?q=Officejet+7500++scan+problem+site:debian.org 
may be useful.

>
> in one of the computers i like to install grup to the second hd
> /dev/sdb, because the /dev/sda is has errors and i like to
> replace it, therefore i need to boot from the /dev/sdb2.

That is possible if your BIOS allows specifying the boot device.
During the install, you may have to chose the "expert 
installation" mode to have the option.

> [snip Mac question]
>
> i like to have a Notebook 17" for Debian/GNU two
> must run windows ( Band in a Box and Sibelius ) but mostly ( >
> 95% ) run Debian/GNU Linux jessie
> I am not familar with hardware
> Budget is  € 820,- maximal...
> need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double
> - pages )
> I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?

I find my used Lenovo laptops (T43 and R61) reliable.

If one of your existing machines is suitable except for display 
size, have you considered a digital TV as a monitor. I just 
purchased a rather generic DTV and note even it has computer 
input options. I believe I've seen some advertising WiFi 
connectivity.

>
> Thanks for Help,
> best regards,
>   Peter
> p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)
>
>
Your English is fine.

If you are more comfortable in German, some resources might be:
    https://www.google.com/search?q="linux+user+group"+Germany
    https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/

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#158887 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi Richard,
thanks for advice.

The system "Debian/GNU 8 ( jessie )" is installed on /dev/sdb
but we needed the windows on /dav/sda, however...
no the /dev/sda hd has been corrupt and has to be replaced.
So I think if I can install grub to the master boot sector of /dev/sdb,
computer hardware can handle different boot-devices...
can I install grub with
grub install /dev/sdab ?

I must have 17" because i need the NB on stage, i'm musician and 
have to read sheets, some double sided and 15" is, maybe, to small.. 
other of my computers a desktop iMac and intel and a old mac powerbook
17", all of these with Debian jessie installed...

But I like to figure out some software, under Linux, for synthesizer and
the ability to connect the EWI via midi , usb soundcard 
Native Instruments "Komplete Audio 6"
works fine under Linux and has phantom-power and midi also...
I like to use and have a sheet- seeing - option additional 

best regards,
 Peter

Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2015, 08:09 -0500 schrieb Richard Owlett:
> Peter Berlau wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Can You please help me?
> >
> > i updated all of our computer to Debian 8 jessie
> >
> > hardware
> >      1. 64 bit Intel ( noname ) 4 GB-RAM         .. o.k.
> >      2. apple powerbook ( 2004 ) 2 GB RAM    .. no sound
> >      3. apple iMac ( 2010 ) 8 GB RAM              ..  o.k.
> >
> > i installed on all these 'xfce'  this runs ok
> > as I see, here in list, some problems are solved if switched to
> > gnome ?
> 
> 
> If you don't like the "look and feel" of Gnome3 (many don't), I 
> find Mate to be comfortable to use.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Other Probs i have
> >
> > WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
> > prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong
> > argument" I did not know what this mean or
> > what i should do...
> 
> Links and sub-links from 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Officejet+7500++scan+problem+site:debian.org 
> may be useful.
> 
> >
> > in one of the computers i like to install grup to the second hd
> > /dev/sdb, because the /dev/sda is has errors and i like to
> > replace it, therefore i need to boot from the /dev/sdb2.
> 
> That is possible if your BIOS allows specifying the boot device.
> During the install, you may have to chose the "expert 
> installation" mode to have the option.
> 
> > [snip Mac question]
> >
> > i like to have a Notebook 17" for Debian/GNU two
> > must run windows ( Band in a Box and Sibelius ) but mostly ( >
> > 95% ) run Debian/GNU Linux jessie
> > I am not familar with hardware
> > Budget is  € 820,- maximal...
> > need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double
> > - pages )
> > I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?
> 
> I find my used Lenovo laptops (T43 and R61) reliable.
> 
> If one of your existing machines is suitable except for display 
> size, have you considered a digital TV as a monitor. I just 
> purchased a rather generic DTV and note even it has computer 
> input options. I believe I've seen some advertising WiFi 
> connectivity.
> 
> >
> > Thanks for Help,
> > best regards,
> >   Peter
> > p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)
> >
> >
> Your English is fine.
> 
> If you are more comfortable in German, some resources might be:
>     https://www.google.com/search?q="linux+user+group"+Germany
>     https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/
> 
> 

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