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  Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie  and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 15:40 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 17:10 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 17:20 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 18:50 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 19:40 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-11 20:20 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 21:10 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-11 23:30 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 00:10 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-12 02:00 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-12 17:00 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 19:20 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-10-10 20:40 +0200
        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-10 22:40 +0200
          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 23:30 +0200
            Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 00:00 +0200
              Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 01:00 +0200
                Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 01:10 +0200
                Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-11 23:00 +0200
                  Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce,  etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-10-11 23:30 +0200
                    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 00:20 +0200
                      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-12 12:50 +0200
                        Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-12 14:30 +0200
                          Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-12 17:30 +0200
                            Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 06:50 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 21:40 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2015-10-11 09:20 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues ( scanning solved) Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-14 06:30 +0200
    Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-10-11 15:20 +0200
      Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8  jessie and some minor issues Peter Berlau <pberlau@gmx.de> - 2015-10-11 20:00 +0200

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#158755 — Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hello,


Can You please help me?

i updated all of our computer to Debian 8 jessie

hardware
     1. 64 bit Intel ( noname ) 4 GB-RAM         .. o.k.
     2. apple powerbook ( 2004 ) 2 GB RAM    .. no sound
     3. apple iMac ( 2010 ) 8 GB RAM              ..  o.k.

i installed on all these 'xfce'  this runs ok
as I see, here in list, some problems are solved if switched to gnome ?


Other Probs i have

WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong argument" 
I did not know what this mean or
what i should do...

in one of the computers i like to install grup to the second hd 
/dev/sdb, because the /dev/sda is has errors and i like to
replace it, therefore i need to boot from the /dev/sdb2.


i have to external firewire drives connected to the iMac
i can access drives manualy but i like to do this have automatic during 
boot process...
i think i have to add
UUID                         /mnt/dsk1                     defaults     
            1             1
UUID                         /mnt/dsk2                     defaults     
            1             1
but, i like to be sure and what happens if one or both of the hds are 
not connected?

Just one other more...

i like to have a Notebook 17" for Debian/GNU two
must run windows ( Band in a Box and Sibelius ) but mostly ( > 95% ) run 
Debian/GNU Linux jessie
I am not familar with hardware
Budget is  € 820,- maximal...
need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double - pages )
I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?

Thanks for Help,
best regards,
  Peter
p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)

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#158757 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Saturday 10 October 2015 14:31:11 Peter Berlau wrote:
> need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double - pages )
> I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?

I would prefer Lenovo.  Personal prejudice??
>
> Thanks for Help,
> best regards,
>   Peter
> p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)

:-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
Don't worry.  I understood every word.  I frequently don't.  Your English is 
fine.

Lisi

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#158758 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Am 10.10.2015 um 17:08 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> On Saturday 10 October 2015 14:31:11 Peter Berlau wrote:
>> need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double - pages )
>> I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?
> I would prefer Lenovo.  Personal prejudice??
Lenovo G70-70 43,9 cm (17,3 Zoll HD+ TN) Notebook (Intel Core i7-4510U, 
3,1GHz, 8GB RAM, Hybrid 1TB (8G) SSHD, NVIDIA GeForce 820M, Win 8.1) black
=699 €
or


Lenovo Z710 43,9 cm (17,3 Zoll FHD LED) Notebook (Intel Core i5-4210M, 
3.2 GHz, 8GB RAM, Hybrid 1 TB (8GB) SSHD, DVD Brenner, NVIDIA GeForce 
840M/2GB, Win 8.1) schwarz
=799€

>> Thanks for Help,
>> best regards,
>>    Peter
>> p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)
> :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
> Don't worry.  I understood every word.  I frequently don't.  Your English is
> fine.
Thanks! ;-)
>
> Lisi
>

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#158763 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Saturday 10 October 2015 16:13:49 Peter Berlau wrote:
> Am 10.10.2015 um 17:08 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> > On Saturday 10 October 2015 14:31:11 Peter Berlau wrote:
> >> need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double - pages
> >> ) I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?
> >
> > I would prefer Lenovo.  Personal prejudice??
>
> Lenovo G70-70 43,9 cm (17,3 Zoll HD+ TN) Notebook (Intel Core i7-4510U,
> 3,1GHz, 8GB RAM, Hybrid 1TB (8G) SSHD, NVIDIA GeForce 820M, Win 8.1) black
> =699 €
> or
>
>
> Lenovo Z710 43,9 cm (17,3 Zoll FHD LED) Notebook (Intel Core i5-4210M,
> 3.2 GHz, 8GB RAM, Hybrid 1 TB (8GB) SSHD, DVD Brenner, NVIDIA GeForce
> 840M/2GB, Win 8.1) schwarz
> =799€

Pity about the NVidia.  That has been known to cause some people grief.  Let's 
see what other people come back with, and I'll look into these in more detail 
later.

If *you* don't understand *my* English, just ask and I'll rephrase or explain.

Lisi
>
> >> Thanks for Help,
> >> best regards,
> >>    Peter
> >> p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)
> >>
> > :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
> >
> > Don't worry.  I understood every word.  I frequently don't.  Your English
> > is fine.
>
> Thanks! ;-)
>
> > Lisi

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#158771 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi Lisi,

thanks for help...

The Nvidia is a problem? Pity about the NVidia. That has been known to 
cause some people grief. Let's see what other people come back with, and 
I'll look into these in more detail later. If *you* don't understand 
*my* English, just ask and I'll rephrase or explain. Lisi

I can read (most) english, but i'm not "trained" in writing...
;)

Thanks again,
best regards,
  Peter

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#158893 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

> :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)

Don't think so. Winky face says sarcasm.

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#158899 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi,
Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2015, 21:17 +0300 schrieb moxalt:
> > :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
> 
> Don't think so. Winky face says sarcasm.
I learned English from internet and readind books of programming 
languages...
If I talk to our singer ( native american ) we have a lot to laugh...

terrific = "fürchterlich" == "fürchterliches Englisch"
terrible = "furchtbar"    == "furchtbares Englisch"


pretty much the same in this context in german...  

best regards,
Peter

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#158919 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 09:17:48PM +0300, moxalt wrote:
> > :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
> 
> Don't think so. Winky face says sarcasm.

No it doesn't. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#158927 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Sunday 11 October 2015 19:17:48 moxalt wrote:
> > :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
>
> Don't think so. Winky face says sarcasm.

What winky face?  I see no winky face.  I see two smiley faces.

Lisi

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#158934 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2015, 23:07 +0100 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> On Sunday 11 October 2015 19:17:48 moxalt wrote:
> > > :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)
> >
> > Don't think so. Winky face says sarcasm.
> 
> What winky face?  I see no winky face.  I see two smiley faces.
> 
> Lisi
> 

I mean "terrible" .... Sorry if this was not clear,
there is a mistake in my online dictionary...

Best Regards, Peter

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#158965 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

I was referring to OP's smiley face. I assumed he actually meant terrible, but
surrounded his "terrific" with quotation marks to indicate that sarcastic
tone of voice and added a winky face to indicate lack of seriousness. Never
mind. Massive over-analysis led me to believe it was an elaborate joke.

Now that OP's stepped in to clear things up, turns out it was just an innocent
mistake. Oh well.

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#158768 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

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On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 15:31 +0200, Peter Berlau wrote:
> i have to external firewire drives connected to the iMac
> i can access drives manualy but i like to do this have automatic
> during 
> boot process...
> i think i have to add
> UUID                         /mnt/dsk1                     defaults  
>    
>             1             1
> UUID                         /mnt/dsk2                     defaults  
>    
>             1             1
> but, i like to be sure and what happens if one or both of the hds are
> not connected?

At least on GNOME plugging in an external disk, it should "just work"
but I'm not sure about firewire or Xfce. 

> i like to have a Notebook 17" for Debian/GNU two
> must run windows ( Band in a Box and Sibelius ) but mostly ( > 95% )
> run 
> Debian/GNU Linux jessie
> I am not familar with hardware
> Budget is  € 820,- maximal...
> need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double -
> pages )
> I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?

My usual choice for laptops would be to get everything Intel, and avoid
Nvidia and any combinations that feature two GPUs. The Intel stuff
usually got the best hardware support (drivers are written before the
hardware is released) and Linux just doesn't have good support for
optimus or whatever it's called. 

I think AMD is quite good nowadays too, but I have no experience with
recent AMD laptops.

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#158778 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:16:46 +0200
Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> wrote:

> On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 15:31 +0200, Peter Berlau wrote:
> > i have to external firewire drives connected to the iMac
> > i can access drives manualy but i like to do this have automatic
> > during 
> > boot process...
> > i think i have to add
> > UUID                         /mnt/dsk1
> > defaults 
> >             1             1
> > UUID                         /mnt/dsk2
> > defaults 
> >             1             1
> > but, i like to be sure and what happens if one or both of the hds
> > are not connected?
> 
> At least on GNOME plugging in an external disk, it should "just work"
> but I'm not sure about firewire or Xfce. 
> 

Where systemd is in use, removable drives should not need to be listed
in /etc/fstab, they should be handled properly and mounted under
/media. I don't have firewire either, it's OK with USB.

If they are listed in fstab, the 'nofail' option must be added or else
booting will fail if they are not present. systemd assumes that all
non-network drives listed in fstab are essential for booting unless
they have 'nofail' specified. 

-- 
Joe

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#158806 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi Sven,

sorry for direct mail, I clicked on the wrong button ( should go to the 
list ) ...

Most intel-parts are in the:
http://www.amazon.de/Acer-E5-772-56BN-Notebook-i5-5200U-Graphics/dp/B010USVY1A/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1444501526&sr=1-1&keywords=intel+notebook#productDetails

chip, grafik, ram = intel

but HD is SSHD...

Thanks for help,
  Peter


Am 10.10.2015 um 20:36 schrieb Joe:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:16:46 +0200
> Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 15:31 +0200, Peter Berlau wrote:
>>> i have to external firewire drives connected to the iMac
>>> i can access drives manualy but i like to do this have automatic
>>> during
>>> boot process...
>>> i think i have to add
>>> UUID                         /mnt/dsk1
>>> defaults
>>>              1             1
>>> UUID                         /mnt/dsk2
>>> defaults
>>>              1             1
>>> but, i like to be sure and what happens if one or both of the hds
>>> are not connected?
>> At least on GNOME plugging in an external disk, it should "just work"
>> but I'm not sure about firewire or Xfce.
>>
> Where systemd is in use, removable drives should not need to be listed
> in /etc/fstab, they should be handled properly and mounted under
> /media. I don't have firewire either, it's OK with USB.
>
> If they are listed in fstab, the 'nofail' option must be added or else
> booting will fail if they are not present. systemd assumes that all
> non-network drives listed in fstab are essential for booting unless
> they have 'nofail' specified.
>

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#158810 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Saturday 10 October 2015 21:34:18 Peter Berlau wrote:
> Hi Sven,
>
> sorry for direct mail, I clicked on the wrong button ( should go to the
> list ) ...
>
> Most intel-parts are in the:
> http://www.amazon.de/Acer-E5-772-56BN-Notebook-i5-5200U-Graphics/dp/B010USV
>Y1A/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1444501526&sr=1-1&keywords=intel+note
>book#productDetails
>
> chip, grafik, ram = intel
>
> but HD is SSHD...

I tried to get that in English so that I could read it more easily, and was 
going to put it on the list for the benefit of other Anglo-phones, but that 
model doesn't seem to be available on Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk.

That is, of course, Acer not Asus.  I agree with Sven about Intel, and he is 
much more knowledgeable than I anyway.  

FWIW I have an Acer Aspire One with which I have on the whole been very 
pleased.  The battery has been very poor, but once I gave in and used it 
plugged in, it has been great.  Not very usable on journeys, though.  I may 
just have been unlucky, or Acer may not be very good when it comes to 
batteries.  They kept dying on me.

Lisi


> Thanks for help,
>   Peter
>
> Am 10.10.2015 um 20:36 schrieb Joe:
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:16:46 +0200
> >
> > Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 15:31 +0200, Peter Berlau wrote:
> >>> i have to external firewire drives connected to the iMac
> >>> i can access drives manualy but i like to do this have automatic
> >>> during
> >>> boot process...
> >>> i think i have to add
> >>> UUID                         /mnt/dsk1
> >>> defaults
> >>>              1             1
> >>> UUID                         /mnt/dsk2
> >>> defaults
> >>>              1             1
> >>> but, i like to be sure and what happens if one or both of the hds
> >>> are not connected?
> >>
> >> At least on GNOME plugging in an external disk, it should "just work"
> >> but I'm not sure about firewire or Xfce.
> >
> > Where systemd is in use, removable drives should not need to be listed
> > in /etc/fstab, they should be handled properly and mounted under
> > /media. I don't have firewire either, it's OK with USB.
> >
> > If they are listed in fstab, the 'nofail' option must be added or else
> > booting will fail if they are not present. systemd assumes that all
> > non-network drives listed in fstab are essential for booting unless
> > they have 'nofail' specified.

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#158813 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi Lisi,

all other notebooks comes not close to intel ( Sven prefer )

I need the nb on stage for reading note sheets, one of main-things i will
use the nb for, but, on stage there is always a chance to plug in, 
batteries
not that much urgent...
But cool, if the accu is removable, so can put it out, when not needed...

I still like Lenevo most, but i not very familar in "making hardware run 
under Debian"...
The acer is pretty new model, comes out her in 15. Oct. i think...

Thank You a lot,
Peter

Am 10.10.2015 um 23:23 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> On Saturday 10 October 2015 21:34:18 Peter Berlau wrote:
>> Hi Sven,
>>
>> sorry for direct mail, I clicked on the wrong button ( should go to the
>> list ) ...
>>
>> Most intel-parts are in the:
>> http://www.amazon.de/Acer-E5-772-56BN-Notebook-i5-5200U-Graphics/dp/B010USV
>> Y1A/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1444501526&sr=1-1&keywords=intel+note
>> book#productDetails
>>
>> chip, grafik, ram = intel
>>
>> but HD is SSHD...
> I tried to get that in English so that I could read it more easily, and was
> going to put it on the list for the benefit of other Anglo-phones, but that
> model doesn't seem to be available on Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk.
>
> That is, of course, Acer not Asus.  I agree with Sven about Intel, and he is
> much more knowledgeable than I anyway.
>
> FWIW I have an Acer Aspire One with which I have on the whole been very
> pleased.  The battery has been very poor, but once I gave in and used it
> plugged in, it has been great.  Not very usable on journeys, though.  I may
> just have been unlucky, or Acer may not be very good when it comes to
> batteries.  They kept dying on me.
>
> Lisi
>
>
>> Thanks for help,
>>    Peter
>>
>> Am 10.10.2015 um 20:36 schrieb Joe:
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:16:46 +0200
>>>
>>> Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 15:31 +0200, Peter Berlau wrote:
>>>>> i have to external firewire drives connected to the iMac
>>>>> i can access drives manualy but i like to do this have automatic
>>>>> during
>>>>> boot process...
>>>>> i think i have to add
>>>>> UUID                         /mnt/dsk1
>>>>> defaults
>>>>>               1             1
>>>>> UUID                         /mnt/dsk2
>>>>> defaults
>>>>>               1             1
>>>>> but, i like to be sure and what happens if one or both of the hds
>>>>> are not connected?
>>>> At least on GNOME plugging in an external disk, it should "just work"
>>>> but I'm not sure about firewire or Xfce.
>>> Where systemd is in use, removable drives should not need to be listed
>>> in /etc/fstab, they should be handled properly and mounted under
>>> /media. I don't have firewire either, it's OK with USB.
>>>
>>> If they are listed in fstab, the 'nofail' option must be added or else
>>> booting will fail if they are not present. systemd assumes that all
>>> non-network drives listed in fstab are essential for booting unless
>>> they have 'nofail' specified.

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#158819 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On Saturday 10 October 2015 22:51:17 Peter Berlau wrote:
> I still like Lenevo most, but i not very familar in "making hardware run
> under Debian"...

As I said in the beginning, I have a strong "emotional" attachment to Lenovo.  
And traditionally Lenovo laptops have been very good with Linux.  There is 
even a site dedicated to Linux users and IBM has some excellent on-line free 
tuition for linux users.   

See this page for information on which models Lenovo considers to be 
particularly Linux friendly:
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/faqs/pc-life-faqs/what-is-Linux/ 
See the bottom of the page:
What Lenovo laptops are certified to run Linux?

But NVidia has shown itself recently to be fairly Linux unfriendly and has 
been problematic.  I think that it may be OK with proprietary drivers, but 
the free ones seem to involve the addition of Bumblebee and a lot of 
fiddling.  I don't know whether all current Lenovo laptops have NVidia 
graphics.  The certified ones probebly don't.

> The acer is pretty new model, comes out her in 15. Oct. i think...

In general terms, "new hardware" and "Linux" in the same breath rings alarm 
bells.  There could be driver problems.

Forgive me for the gaps.  It is late and I need my bed. :-(

Lisi

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#158820 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

Hi Lisi,

if Leneovo will work i highly prefer Lenevo.
I think its right , I should go for a Lenevo without
nvidia, than Lenevo is ok?

I will have a look tomorrow, also need to sleep a little...
Have a good night, sleep well and thanks for Your help!

Best regards, Peter

Am Samstag, den 10.10.2015, 23:51 +0100 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> On Saturday 10 October 2015 22:51:17 Peter Berlau wrote:
> > I still like Lenevo most, but i not very familar in "making hardware run
> > under Debian"...
> 
> As I said in the beginning, I have a strong "emotional" attachment to Lenovo.  
> And traditionally Lenovo laptops have been very good with Linux.  There is 
> even a site dedicated to Linux users and IBM has some excellent on-line free 
> tuition for linux users.   
> 
> See this page for information on which models Lenovo considers to be 
> particularly Linux friendly:
> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/faqs/pc-life-faqs/what-is-Linux/ 
> See the bottom of the page:
> What Lenovo laptops are certified to run Linux?
> 
> But NVidia has shown itself recently to be fairly Linux unfriendly and has 
> been problematic.  I think that it may be OK with proprietary drivers, but 
> the free ones seem to involve the addition of Bumblebee and a lot of 
> fiddling.  I don't know whether all current Lenovo laptops have NVidia 
> graphics.  The certified ones probebly don't.
> 
> > The acer is pretty new model, comes out her in 15. Oct. i think...
> 
> In general terms, "new hardware" and "Linux" in the same breath rings alarm 
> bells.  There could be driver problems.
> 
> Forgive me for the gaps.  It is late and I need my bed. :-(
> 
> Lisi
> 

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#158912 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

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On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 23:51 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 10 October 2015 22:51:17 Peter Berlau wrote:
> > I still like Lenevo most, but i not very familar in "making
> hardware run
> > under Debian"...
> 
> As I said in the beginning, I have a strong "emotional" attachment to
> Lenovo.  
> And traditionally Lenovo laptops have been very good with Linux. 
> There is 
> even a site dedicated to Linux users and IBM has some excellent on
> -line free 
> tuition for linux users.   

I have been quite happy with Lenovo too. Unfortunately there was the
whole debacle with SuperFish so I'm not sure what the next system will
be. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Superfish
(In german: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Kritik )

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#158920 — Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

On 10/11/2015 04:54 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-10-10 at 23:51 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Saturday 10 October 2015 22:51:17 Peter Berlau wrote:
>>> I still like Lenevo most, but i not very familar in "making
>> hardware run
>>> under Debian"...
>>
>> As I said in the beginning, I have a strong "emotional" attachment to
>> Lenovo.
>> And traditionally Lenovo laptops have been very good with Linux.
>> There is
>> even a site dedicated to Linux users and IBM has some excellent on
>> -line free
>> tuition for linux users.
>
> I have been quite happy with Lenovo too. Unfortunately there was the
> whole debacle with SuperFish so I'm not sure what the next system will
> be.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Superfish
> (In german: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Kritik )
>

"IBM has some excellent on-line free tuition for linux users."

There seems to be a number of sites with IBM and Linux. What site are you
referring to?

--doug

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