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  Video-UNfriendly browsers? brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> - 2015-10-10 18:10 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-10-10 18:20 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 18:40 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 19:00 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 07:00 +0200
          Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 13:20 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2015-10-10 19:40 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-10-10 19:50 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-10-10 20:00 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Timothy Hobbs <timothy@hobbs.cz> - 2015-10-10 20:20 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Timothy Hobbs <timothy@hobbs.cz> - 2015-10-10 21:20 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2015-10-10 21:20 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-10-10 20:10 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-10 21:00 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Timothy Hobbs <timothy@hobbs.cz> - 2015-10-10 21:40 +0200
          Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Timothy Hobbs <timothy@hobbs.cz> - 2015-10-10 21:40 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2015-10-10 22:30 +0200
          Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-10 23:10 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-10-10 22:40 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2015-10-10 21:20 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 21:50 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 22:00 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Timothy Hobbs <timothy@hobbs.cz> - 2015-10-10 22:10 +0200
          Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-10-10 22:30 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> - 2015-10-11 12:00 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-11 20:20 +0200
      Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-10-11 21:10 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Timothy Hobbs <timothy@hobbs.cz> - 2015-10-11 23:40 +0200
          Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 00:20 +0200
            Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 02:00 +0200
              Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-12 07:00 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-11 23:40 +0200
        Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2015-10-12 00:30 +0200
    Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers? Gener Badenas <gener.ong.badenas@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 04:50 +0200

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#158760 — Video-UNfriendly browsers?

My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
other sites, e.g. the New York Times. 

Thanks, 

Brian. 

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#158761

It seems like NoScript will do the job. I think that it allows YouTube 
by default once installed, but you can easily disable it after 
installing (along with the other sites it enables by default). Since 
most sites depend on JavaScript to embed videos, that will block most of 
them. I don't know of a solution to block the rest.

Regards.

> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
> service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
> up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
> autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
> Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
> recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
> videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
> zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
> other sites, e.g. the New York Times.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian.
>

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#158762

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, brian wrote:

> 
> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
> service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
> up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
> autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
> Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
> recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
> videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
> zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
> other sites, e.g. the New York Times. 

I've got Chrome set in Preferences to "Ask" before running ANY plugin.
You can whitelist certain sites to run particularl plugins.  Think
Firefox/Iceweasel have a similar setting.  GIFs still run though.  They
don't require a plugin.

Maybe, NoScript will handle anything else.  Or turning off Javascript.

Running Wheezy 64-bit.

B

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#158765

On Saturday 10 October 2015 17:35:20 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> I've got Chrome set in Preferences to "Ask" before running ANY plugin.

When you say "preferences" where exactly do you mean?

Lisi

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#158827

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 10 October 2015 17:35:20 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > I've got Chrome set in Preferences to "Ask" before running ANY
> > plugin.
> 
> When you say "preferences" where exactly do you mean?

From Chrome Main Menu

Settings->Show Advance Settings->Content Settings->Plugins  Click "Let
me choose . . ."

Don't know where it would be on Firefox/Iceweasel, if at all.

B

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#158843

On Sunday 11 October 2015 05:56:40 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 10 October 2015 17:35:20 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > I've got Chrome set in Preferences to "Ask" before running ANY
> > > plugin.
> >
> > When you say "preferences" where exactly do you mean?
>
> From Chrome Main Menu
>
> Settings->Show Advance Settings->Content Settings->Plugins  Click "Let
> me choose . . ."
>
> Don't know where it would be on Firefox/Iceweasel, if at all.
>
> B

Thanks.

Lisi

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#158770

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On 11/10/2015 3:07 AM, brian wrote:
> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only
> internet service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of
> 250 MB total up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away
> by these damned autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using
> Wheezy, I'm using Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone
> have any recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT
> to autostart videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar
> sites - there are a zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but
> they don't work on other sites, e.g. the New York Times.

Perhaps consider Tor browser bundle or TAILS ?

[1] https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
[2] https://tails.boum.org/

Kind Regards
AndrewM
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#158772

Tor adds overhead because it is another layer of encapsulation (on top 
of TCP/IP), it adds padding to messages (to improve confidentiality), 
and it needs to transmit extra data because of its cryptographic design 
(signatures, MAC, public keys). It doesn't seems like a good approach 
since the goal is to decrease transference (bandwidth).

In any case, Tor itself won't get rid of any videos; you may notice that 
effect when using the Tor browser bundle because of the browser add-ons, 
especially NoScript.

El 10/10/15 a las 12:33, Andrew McGlashan escribió:
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> On 11/10/2015 3:07 AM, brian wrote:
>> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only
>> internet service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of
>> 250 MB total up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away
>> by these damned autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using
>> Wheezy, I'm using Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone
>> have any recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT
>> to autostart videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar
>> sites - there are a zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but
>> they don't work on other sites, e.g. the New York Times.
>
> Perhaps consider Tor browser bundle or TAILS ?
>
> [1] https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
> [2] https://tails.boum.org/
>
> Kind Regards
> AndrewM
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#158773

NoScript will block the videos (you will want to configure it).  You'll
also want AdBlock.  Also go into Perferences in Firefox and set it up
for the most restrictive configuration you can tolerate.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#158777

Be careful of AdBlock: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdBlock#Acceptable_Ads_Program_and_sale

Use uBlock instead.

Tim

On 10/10/15 19:59, John Hasler wrote:
> NoScript will block the videos (you will want to configure it).  You'll
> also want AdBlock.  Also go into Perferences in Firefox and set it up
> for the most restrictive configuration you can tolerate.

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#158785

Interestingly, I would say that this is one of those cases that makes 
the case for trademark. I cannot keep Adblock, Adblock Plus, uBlock, and 
uBlock origin straight, and neither can most people.

Tim

On 10/10/15 21:17, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> On 11/10/2015 5:16 AM, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
>> Be careful of AdBlock:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdBlock#Acceptable_Ads_Program_and_sale
>>
>> Use uBlock instead.
> I would say uBlock Origin -- it seems to be a better option to uBlock
> from what I've heard.
>
> Cheers
> A.
>

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#158788

On 11/10/2015 5:16 AM, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
> Be careful of AdBlock:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdBlock#Acceptable_Ads_Program_and_sale
> 
> Use uBlock instead.

I would say uBlock Origin -- it seems to be a better option to uBlock
from what I've heard.

Cheers
A.

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#158775

On 2015-10-10, brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> wrote:
>
> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
> service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
> up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
> autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
> Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
> recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
> videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
> zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
> other sites, e.g. the New York Times. 

Seems there is a boolean option for Firefox versions 8 and above that
can be toggled (about:config in the address bar)

plugins.click_to_play

which may satisfy your needs.

https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/web-browsing/how-do-i-enable-click-play-mozilla-firefox


> Thanks, 
>
> Brian. 
>
>


-- 

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#158781

Curt composed on 2015-10-10 18:06 (UTC):

>brian wrote:

>> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
>> service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
>> up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
>> autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
>> Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
>> recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
>> videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
>> zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
>> other sites, e.g. the New York Times. 

> Seems there is a boolean option for Firefox versions 8 and above that
> can be toggled (about:config in the address bar)

> plugins.click_to_play

> which may satisfy your needs.

> https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/web-browsing/how-do-i-enable-click-play-mozilla-firefox

What is there for HTML5 video, which isn't a plugin?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-why-im-rethinking-view-221140224.html
plays on load, even though I have NoScript defaulting to JS disabled, until I
click its pause button.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#158789

I have been playing with this after you posted that link, and it is 
really quite frustrating. It seems that there are several options in 
"about:config" which should allow me to either disable video completely 
or at least disable webm (search about:config for "media") however, none 
of them seem to have any effect on that video.

Tim

On 10/10/15 20:55, Felix Miata wrote:
> Curt composed on 2015-10-10 18:06 (UTC):
>
>> brian wrote:
>>> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
>>> service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
>>> up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
>>> autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
>>> Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
>>> recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
>>> videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
>>> zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
>>> other sites, e.g. the New York Times.
>> Seems there is a boolean option for Firefox versions 8 and above that
>> can be toggled (about:config in the address bar)
>> plugins.click_to_play
>> which may satisfy your needs.
>> https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/web-browsing/how-do-i-enable-click-play-mozilla-firefox
> What is there for HTML5 video, which isn't a plugin?
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-why-im-rethinking-view-221140224.html
> plays on load, even though I have NoScript defaulting to JS disabled, until I
> click its pause button.

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#158791

However, with noscript enabled and yahoo blocked (I had to do that 
manually by pressing the icon), the video does not play.

On 10/10/15 21:35, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
> I have been playing with this after you posted that link, and it is 
> really quite frustrating. It seems that there are several options in 
> "about:config" which should allow me to either disable video 
> completely or at least disable webm (search about:config for "media") 
> however, none of them seem to have any effect on that video.
>
> Tim
>
> On 10/10/15 20:55, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Curt composed on 2015-10-10 18:06 (UTC):
>>
>>> brian wrote:
>>>> My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
>>>> service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
>>>> up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
>>>> autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
>>>> Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
>>>> recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
>>>> videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
>>>> zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
>>>> other sites, e.g. the New York Times.
>>> Seems there is a boolean option for Firefox versions 8 and above that
>>> can be toggled (about:config in the address bar)
>>> plugins.click_to_play
>>> which may satisfy your needs.
>>> https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/web-browsing/how-do-i-enable-click-play-mozilla-firefox 
>>>
>> What is there for HTML5 video, which isn't a plugin?
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-why-im-rethinking-view-221140224.html 
>>
>> plays on load, even though I have NoScript defaulting to JS disabled, 
>> until I
>> click its pause button.
>

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#158802

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 02:55:14PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> What is there for HTML5 video, which isn't a plugin?
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-why-im-rethinking-view-221140224.html
> plays on load, even though I have NoScript defaulting to JS disabled, until I
> click its pause button.

For me that's a Flash video, interestingly. And Flashblock blocks it. They
do claim to also block HTML5, give it a try.
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#158808

Carl Fink composed on 2015-10-10 16:29 (UTC-0400):

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 02:55:14PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

>> What is there for HTML5 video, which isn't a plugin?
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-why-im-rethinking-view-221140224.html
>> plays on load, even though I have NoScript defaulting to JS disabled, until I
>> click its pause button.

> For me that's a Flash video, interestingly. And Flashblock blocks it. They
> do claim to also block HTML5, give it a try.

Easier said than done. I have lots of browser versions installed, and
dedicated profiles for each. None have both Flashblock installed and access
to any non-bundled plugins. Browser crashes others frequently complain about
rarely happen here.

media.autoplay.enabled false as Curt wrote seems to be at least helpful if
not an entire answer[1].

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659285
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#158805

On 2015-10-10, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Seems there is a boolean option for Firefox versions 8 and above that
>> can be toggled (about:config in the address bar)
>
>> plugins.click_to_play
>
>> which may satisfy your needs.
>
>> https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/web-browsing/how-do-i-enable-click-play-mozilla-firefox
>
> What is there for HTML5 video, which isn't a plugin?
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-why-im-rethinking-view-221140224.html
> plays on load, even though I have NoScript defaulting to JS disabled, until I
> click its pause button.

You can set the media.autoplay.enabled preference to false, though that
won't stop all HTML5 video from playing, apparently. A bug was filed
concerning this issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659285, 
but it has yet to be completely resolved (it seems).

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#158786

On 11/10/2015 5:06 AM, Curt wrote:
> Seems there is a boolean option for Firefox versions 8 and above that
> can be toggled (about:config in the address bar)
> 
> plugins.click_to_play
> 
> which may satisfy your needs.
> 
> https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/web-browsing/how-do-i-enable-click-play-mozilla-firefox

I find that doesn't work well for all video types; if you have HTML5
video for example, that usually goes ahead and plays regardless of the
settings.

Perhaps another option would be to specifically select the lowest
quality video settings if you can, where it is an option.

Cheers
A.

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