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  dselect, init and systemd-sysv Aldo Maggi <aldomaggi@katamail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:00 +0100
    Re: dselect, init and systemd-sysv koanhead <koanhead@riseup.net> - 2016-01-20 08:10 +0100
    Re: dselect, init and systemd-sysv Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-01-20 15:40 +0100

#163197 — dselect, init and systemd-sysv

Yesterday while updating my system via dselect (I'm using testing) I've 
received the warning that "init and systemd-sysv" were going to be 
uninstalled and I had to approve or deny that action.
I've thought that as in previous cases (to be frank not recently but 
many years ago) there was a mistake, since looking at the packages which 
were going to be installed it didn't seem that a replacement was 
present, therefore I've stopped the updating.
This morning I've tried again but got the same warning.
So I've used apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, in this case no warning 
appears and systemd-sysv appears among the pkgs to be upgraded.

Is dselect still working safely or should I give up and change package mgr?

Many thanks

Aldo

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#163307

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:00:02 +0100, Aldo Maggi wrote:

> Yesterday while updating my system via dselect (I'm using testing) I've
> received the warning that "init and systemd-sysv" were going to be
> uninstalled and I had to approve or deny that action.
> I've thought that as in previous cases (to be frank not recently but
> many years ago) there was a mistake, since looking at the packages which
> were going to be installed it didn't seem that a replacement was
> present, therefore I've stopped the updating.
> This morning I've tried again but got the same warning.
> So I've used apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, in this case no warning
> appears and systemd-sysv appears among the pkgs to be upgraded.
> 
> Is dselect still working safely or should I give up and change package
> mgr?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Aldo

Without seeing the specific message output by dselect it isn't possible 
to say for sure- but I would guess that your testing system is trying to 
do a dist-upgrade, and in the process switching your init to the new 
default, systemd. If you don't want this to happen then it might be 
prevented by installing the systemd-shim package IIRC. 
If you're confused by the behavior of dselect I recommend using the `apt` 
tool instead, or one of `aptitude` or `apt-get`.

Again, without the specific output messages you are seeing it's not 
possible to properly diagnose the situation- so everything I'm saying 
here could be entirely wrong!

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#163323

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:26:54 +0100
Aldo Maggi <aldomaggi@katamail.com> wrote:

> Yesterday while updating my system via dselect (I'm using testing)
> I've received the warning that "init and systemd-sysv" were going to
> be uninstalled and I had to approve or deny that action.

You have to be prepared to face things like this if you're using
testing. If you want everything to work peachy-perfect, use stable.

I had the same problem a few days ago, back when I was still using
testing. A whole host of issues and buggy packages led me to learn from
my folly and switch to stable, of which I am a proud user once more.

If you must continue using testing for some reason, be prepared to put
up with problems such as these; they are manifold (occasionally).

> I've thought that as in previous cases (to be frank not recently but 
> many years ago) there was a mistake, since looking at the packages
> which were going to be installed it didn't seem that a replacement
> was present, therefore I've stopped the updating.
> This morning I've tried again but got the same warning.
> So I've used apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, in this case no
> warning appears and systemd-sysv appears among the pkgs to be
> upgraded.

This should already be a sign that apt-get and aptitude are vastly
superior to dselect. dselect hasn't been the preferred dpkg frontend
since woody.

> Is dselect still working safely or should I give up and change
> package mgr?

Use apt-get. Seriously. The latest documentation for dselect is from
woody, and 14 years old (2002):
https://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-main.en.html

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