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| Started by | Fernando Arenas <arenas.f@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-31 12:40 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-01-07 07:20 +0100 |
| Articles | 4 on this page of 64 — 31 participants |
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sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Fernando Arenas <arenas.f@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Jerome BENOIT <sphericaltriangle@rezozer.net> - 2015-12-31 13:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-31 13:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 14:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-12-31 13:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 15:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 14:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png David Baron <d_baron@012.net.il> - 2015-12-31 14:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 02:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 03:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Javier Barroso <javibarroso@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 17:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-31 17:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2015-12-31 20:30 +0100
RE: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Arno Schuring <aelschuring@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-12-31 21:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-12-31 21:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 10:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 17:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png peter@berghold.net - 2016-01-01 17:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-01 17:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 19:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 18:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 22:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-01 23:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Charlie <ariestao@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-01-02 00:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 04:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 18:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-01-01 19:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Lee Winter <lee.j.i.winter@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 20:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-01-02 09:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-01-02 09:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-02 18:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-02 18:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-01-02 19:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-01-03 11:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 18:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 02:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 14:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 01:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 09:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-01-06 10:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 16:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-01-06 10:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 11:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-01-06 13:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 13:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-01-06 13:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-06 14:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 16:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 17:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-06 21:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 16:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 16:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-01-06 16:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-01-06 17:40 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 20:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-07 14:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-07 15:10 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-07 15:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-01-05 18:00 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 01:30 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Matt Ventura <mattventura@mattventura.net> - 2016-01-07 00:50 +0100
Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 07:20 +0100
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qND7I-5u9-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162624 |
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:21:02 +0900
Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Joel,
>of the clipart out into a separate package so that a child looking for
>a general image of a woman won't bump into a male sexual fantasy
Not aimed at any person, just observation.....
By putting "sensitive" images in a separate package, one *highlights*
them, thus enabling those children one's intention it is to protect,
to find them a good deal more easily. Whether that's preferable to
lumping the images in with a more generalised package is up for debate.
It's a two edged sword; Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Either way, somebody gets upset/annoyed. :-(
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
The deadbeats and the dispossessed, the seekers of unlikeliness
Street Of Dreams - The Damned
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| From | Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 01:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qNK9c-1YP-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162654 |
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:21:02 +0900 > Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Joel, Hello, Brad, >>of the clipart out into a separate package so that a child looking for >>a general image of a woman won't bump into a male sexual fantasy > > Not aimed at any person, just observation..... > > By putting "sensitive" images in a separate package, one *highlights* > them, thus enabling those children one's intention it is to protect, Conflation on conflation -- Which children? What does protect mean? > to find them a good deal more easily. The children who go looking for them will find them anyway. In some ways, it's better for them not to have reason to brag about how hard they had to work to find them. The way things are now with openclipart2, children -- and adults -- who aren't looking for that kind of thing will bump into it while looking for something else. It's kind of like teenagers getting together for a dance and somebody spiking the punch with vodka. > Whether that's preferable to > lumping the images in with a more generalised package is up for debate. > > It's a two edged sword; Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. > Either way, somebody gets upset/annoyed. :-( Acknowledged. But the problem with the debian openclipart2 package is precisely the lack of organization. You can't find wht you want without rifling through the lot, and you end up finding lots of things you don't need, and some you really didn't want. And you're not sure what you're going to see until you see it. (Even using graphical editors, when you select the image to open it, you see the preview.) And the file names help in some cases, but don't help at all in others. openclipart is much better indexed, but it needs help, too. Both packages need crowd help to catalog the index -- sort, index, and improve the descriptions. I've been looking around the openclipart.org site, signed up, etc., but I haven't yet tried to contact the people who manage it to see if they would be interested in direct help. I need to do that, and anyone else interested could lend a hand, as well. And maybe we need to file a bug about the images that started this thread. I admit I'm not absolutely sure that's the best solution. But the packages do need help, if anyone here can spare the time. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well: http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2011/10/conspiracy-theories.html
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| From | Matt Ventura <mattventura@mattventura.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 00:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qO602-84d-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162654 |
On 01/05/2016 04:24 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:21:02 +0900 > Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Joel, > >> of the clipart out into a separate package so that a child looking for >> a general image of a woman won't bump into a male sexual fantasy > Not aimed at any person, just observation..... > > By putting "sensitive" images in a separate package, one *highlights* > them, thus enabling those children one's intention it is to protect, > to find them a good deal more easily. Whether that's preferable to > lumping the images in with a more generalised package is up for debate. > > It's a two edged sword; Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. > Either way, somebody gets upset/annoyed. :-( Yes, you might end up highlighting it, but what I assumed from the OP is not that the children were looking for clipart packages, but rather looking through clipart that the parent had already installed. So separating it would still help in that situation. If I were searching for inappropriate imagery, 'apt-cache search' is one of the last places I'd look. Matt
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 07:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qOc5r-46I-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162734 |
> > Yes, you might end up highlighting it, but what I assumed from the OP is > not that the children were looking for clipart packages, but rather > looking through clipart that the parent had already installed. So > separating it would still help in that situation. > > If I were searching for inappropriate imagery, 'apt-cache search' is one > of the last places I'd look. > > Matt +1
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