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| Started by | Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-29 22:30 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-12-30 18:00 +0100 |
| Articles | 8 on this page of 68 — 12 participants |
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Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-29 22:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-29 22:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 03:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2015-12-30 05:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 15:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-30 10:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 15:10 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 16:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 16:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 16:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 19:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 16:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 18:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 19:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 19:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 19:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 20:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 20:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 20:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-30 21:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 00:10 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-31 10:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 11:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 17:10 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-01-01 16:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 21:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 22:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-30 22:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2015-12-31 02:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 10:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-01-01 15:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-31 16:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 17:10 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 17:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 18:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 18:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2015-12-31 19:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-31 19:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 11:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 18:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-31 19:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 20:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 17:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 17:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 18:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-01-02 22:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 18:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 17:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:40 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 00:10 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 00:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-01 16:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-01-01 17:20 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-06 15:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 16:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 20:30 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 22:00 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 19:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-30 16:50 +0100
Re: Putting It All On a Stick Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-30 18:00 +0100
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| From | Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qNWN4-1SF-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162432 |
On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 04:14:46PM +0000, Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +0000, Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > > > The sources are different. > > > > > > More nonsense. > > > > Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's than if you use a > > debian mirror off the net. Even I, understood that much. > > My claim is that the installers on a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are basically > identical (they do the same job), not that a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are > identical. That is because they are based on the same source. > > Explaining what this "sources list" is might clarify things. Ah! I see. I assumed Lisi was referring to the /etc/apt/sources.list entries. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 16:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qNYvw-35F-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162700 |
On Wednesday 06 January 2016 13:49:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 04:14:46PM +0000, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +0000, Brian wrote: > > > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > The sources are different. > > > > > > > > More nonsense. > > > > > > Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's than if you use a > > > debian mirror off the net. Even I, understood that much. > > > > My claim is that the installers on a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are basically > > identical (they do the same job), not that a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are > > identical. That is because they are based on the same source. > > > > Explaining what this "sources list" is might clarify things. > > Ah! I see. I assumed Lisi was referring to the /etc/apt/sources.list > entries. I was. I was referring to the fact that the two installers get their software from different sources, which are indeed in the sources.list. One gets its software from the DVDs and has the DVDs in the eventual /etc/apt/sources.list, the other gets its software from the online repositories, which is again reflected in the eventual /etc/apt/sources.list. You basically understood correctly. Brian, for some reason ,wants to twist what I have suggested in order to make identical two things which are not. But it isn't worth carrying this on. Let Brian have his point. Lisi Lisi
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 20:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qO1Wq-5oZ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162710 |
On Wed 06 Jan 2016 at 15:41:42 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 06 January 2016 13:49:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > Ah! I see. I assumed Lisi was referring to the /etc/apt/sources.list > > entries. > > I was. > > I was referring to the fact that the two installers get their software from > different sources, which are indeed in the sources.list. One gets its > software from the DVDs and has the DVDs in the > eventual /etc/apt/sources.list, the other gets its software from the online > repositories, which is again reflected in the eventual /etc/apt/sources.list. It is correct that a sources.list is constructed from DVD-1 and netinst installs and ends up on the installed system. It doesn't explain why pkgsel failing with DVD-1 (if it did) would make a netinst ISO a likely candidate for success with the same task. The sources.list for DVD-1 could have been incorrectly written I suppose, but for the stable installer that is unlikely. DVD-1 deals with that by moving on to the installing GRUB item. > You basically understood correctly. Brian, for some reason ,wants to twist > what I have suggested in order to make identical two things which are not. I said a DVD-1 and netinst of tasks were identical? Really? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00885.html The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1. Information from the list (that's the "some reason") was what I was seeking but pictures and eating habits appears to be a more compelling topic. :).
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| From | Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qLv4C-2sX-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162288 |
On Dec 30, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote: >> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote: >>> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could. >> >> "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu. >> >> The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first >> gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second >> will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see >> why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1. > > _Because_ the DVD1 gets its packages from the DVDs, so during installation > they have to be there, or you have to interrupt the installation, edit the > sources list, and continue choosing your software to complete the > installation. And the net-install CD gets its packages from the Internet and > sets up your sources list to do the same, so you can complete your > installation in one fell sweep. Yes, you need an Internet connection so it > is not suitable for all cases, but an Internet connection does not appear to > be the problem here. > > Lisi In my own experience (I am sighted, so YMMV) the DVD-1 installation process always asks whether I want to add a network mirror. I usually answer Yes and pick one close by. Is this not the case for you? Rick
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 22:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qLw0G-33F-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162299 |
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 11:56:14 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote: > >> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote: > >>> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could. > >> > >> "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu. > >> > >> The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first > >> gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second > >> will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see > >> why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1. > > > > _Because_ the DVD1 gets its packages from the DVDs, so during installation > > they have to be there, or you have to interrupt the installation, edit the > > sources list, and continue choosing your software to complete the > > installation. And the net-install CD gets its packages from the Internet and > > sets up your sources list to do the same, so you can complete your > > installation in one fell sweep. Yes, you need an Internet connection so it > > is not suitable for all cases, but an Internet connection does not appear to > > be the problem here. > > > > Lisi > > In my own experience (I am sighted, so YMMV) the DVD-1 installation > process always asks whether I want to add a network mirror. I usually > answer Yes and pick one close by. Is this not the case for you? Of course it is. The same installer is being used.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qLtYS-1Ny-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162256 |
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 15:37:53 Steve Matzura wrote: > Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could. Yes, it can. Lisi > > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:26:49 +0000, you wrote: > >On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote: > >> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive. > >> > >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote: > >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> >Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote: > >> >> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a > >> >> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to > >> >> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too > >> >> large > >> > > >> >AFAIK the DOS family file systems have a size limit of 4GB for a file. > >> >So make sure the target file system can handle bigger files. > >> > > >> >(Just a guess) > >> > > >> >regards > >> >- -- t > >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> >Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > >> > > >> >iEYEARECAAYFAlaDnoUACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZjzACdF+h3/wSXsvFO45VobTktm0Z+ > >> >gOUAnAhft8uDPqobkzwBXrVci4IOgmPr > >> >=8VrD > >> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Why not use the net-install? That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a small > >stick, and away you go. Just do the basic install and then pull the rest > > off the net. You don't need everything. > > > >I never use anything else. You can get it with or without proprietary > >network drivers: > >https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ > > > >(The official image (without drivers) is at the top of the page, the image > >with drivers is towards the bottom of the page in the yellow box.) > > > >Lisi
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 16:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qLraF-8uw-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162239 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 09:00:18AM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote: > I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive. According to Wikipedia [1] it has a file size limit of 16 EiB (further limited by Windows NT to 16 TiB), so no, that doesn't seem to be the problem. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems regards - -- t -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlaD9NcACgkQBcgs9XrR2kagdACdE42q3sdbb83aUOXlnRrLbDWG C14Anj6G4wM9pnM97lHjpOfDki0D7/cj =yWJB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qLsgq-FI-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #162199 |
On 12/29/2015 3:18 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation > ISO's on a single USB drive? Yes, at least with Squeeze. I haven't tried with Wheezy or Jessie yet. My motivation was that until recently I was limited to dial up. My initial solution was to purchase a complete set of DVDs from a vendor listed on https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ . My motivation for putting all 8 Squeeze DVDs on a stick was to avoid all the DVD swapping. [note that complete set of Jessie is now 13 DVDs] > For example, after creating the boot > drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and > third images be simply copied onto the USB drive, Depends on definition of "simply". Is "with minimal difficulty" acceptable? > creating one > complete three-disk installation set on a single medium? Give a day or so to find my notes.
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