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  vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 16:10 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 16:20 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 16:30 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 17:00 +0100
          Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 18:20 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-01-03 17:10 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 18:00 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-01-03 19:20 +0100
          Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 22:10 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 18:30 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 18:40 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 19:50 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-01-03 21:50 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 22:20 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-01-03 22:40 +0100
          Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 23:20 +0100
            Re: vivaldi? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 00:30 +0100
              Re: vivaldi? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-04 01:10 +0100
                Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-04 03:30 +0100
            Re: vivaldi? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-01-04 04:00 +0100
              Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-04 04:50 +0100
                Re: vivaldi? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-01-05 02:20 +0100
              Re: vivaldi? Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2016-01-04 15:20 +0100
                Re: vivaldi? Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-02-08 22:30 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 22:10 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 22:50 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-03 23:10 +0100
          Re: vivaldi? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-01-04 18:10 +0100
            Re: vivaldi? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:30 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-02-08 21:40 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-01-03 23:00 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-03 23:20 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-01-03 23:50 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 00:40 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-04 01:10 +0100
          Re: vivaldi? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 01:20 +0100
        Re: vivaldi? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-04 02:30 +0100
      Re: vivaldi? Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 20:40 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-01-04 14:50 +0100
    Re: vivaldi? James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2016-01-18 18:50 +0100

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#162525 — vivaldi?

Greetings all;

Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has 
been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a 
requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't 
remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half of the time 
you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit reload hoping you 
can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it 
doesn't, so you never get to read or see that story.

And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get 
a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.

So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use the 
reload button, hundreds of times a day.

Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.

So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to 
install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and didn't.

So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the 
directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
Didn't run from a cli.

Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link 
in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, 
on checking that I find I don't have it, as the google stuff in /opt is, 
and I quote "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!

Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an 
easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume turns 
it into chrome?

Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle 
the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.

Thanks all;

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162526

On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
> been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
> requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't
> remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.

Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#162527

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:13:31 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> > has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing
> > up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but
> > it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.
>
> Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric

Where, locate comes back without finding it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162530

On 01/03/2016 10:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:13:31 Ric Moore wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Greetings all;
>>>
>>> Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
>>> has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing
>>> up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but
>>> it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.
>>
>> Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric
>
> Where, locate comes back without finding it.

Either go into tools/addons to disable it or use synaptic to see if you 
installed the package. That should do the trick. :) Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#162534

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:55:29 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 10:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:13:31 Ric Moore wrote:
> >> On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> >>> has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime,
> >>> bringing up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and
> >>> remember", but it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every
> >>> flash presented.
> >>
> >> Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric
> >
> > Where, locate comes back without finding it.
>
> Either go into tools/addons to disable it or use synaptic to see if
> you installed the package. That should do the trick. :) Ric

Apparently I don't have any addons installed, all it shows me are the get 
addons choices. I have also looked thru the about:config screen without 
finding anything that looks suspect.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162531

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

>Greetings all;
>
>Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has 
>been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a 
>requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't 
>remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half of the time 
>you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit reload hoping you 
>can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it 
>doesn't, so you never get to read or see that story.
>
>And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get 
>a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
>
>So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use the 
>reload button, hundreds of times a day.
>
>Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
>
>So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to 
>install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and didn't.
>
>So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the 
>directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
>Didn't run from a cli.
>
>Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link 
>in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, 
>on checking that I find I don't have it, as the google stuff in /opt is, 
>and I quote "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
>
>Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an 
>easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume turns 
>it into chrome?
>
>Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle 
>the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.
>
>Thanks all;
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett

Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It uses
some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around version 25.
I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a crash since then.

http://www.palemoon.org/

-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

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#162532

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:37:06 Charlie Kravetz wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >Greetings all;
> >
> >Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
> >been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
> >requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it
> > doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half
> > of the time you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit
> > reload hoping you can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS
> > time. Usually it doesn't, so you never get to read or see that
> > story.
> >
> >And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
> >a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
> >
> >So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use
> > the reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> >
> >Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
> >
> >So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
> >install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and
> > didn't.
> >
> >So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
> >directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
> >Didn't run from a cli.
> >
> >Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link
> >in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to
> > /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, on checking that I find I don't have
> > it, as the google stuff in /opt is, and I quote
> > "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
> >
> >Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> >easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
> > turns it into chrome?
> >
> >Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> > ago.
> >
> >Thanks all;
> >
> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It uses
> some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around version
> 25. I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a crash since
> then.
>
> http://www.palemoon.org/

Downloaded and installed the installer to my /home directory.  On running 
it I am unable to progress beyond the download of the tar.bz2, which I 
have now done twice because after the download, the installer can't find 
it!

Why?  Because it asks for my sudo password, and when iceweasel downloads 
it, iceweasel is running as a sudo root, and puts the download 
in /root/Downloads. It cautions about running the installer as root in 
the readme's it showed me a few times.  I have no access to the tarball 
as me, so whats next?

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162540

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:57:54 -0500
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:37:06 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
>>
>> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> >Greetings all;
>> >
>> >Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
>> >been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
>> >requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it
>> > doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half
>> > of the time you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit
>> > reload hoping you can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS
>> > time. Usually it doesn't, so you never get to read or see that
>> > story.
>> >
>> >And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
>> >a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
>> >
>> >So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use
>> > the reload button, hundreds of times a day.
>> >
>> >Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
>> >
>> >So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
>> >install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and
>> > didn't.
>> >
>> >So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
>> >directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
>> >Didn't run from a cli.
>> >
>> >Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link
>> >in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to
>> > /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, on checking that I find I don't have
>> > it, as the google stuff in /opt is, and I quote
>> > "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
>> >
>> >Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
>> >easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
>> > turns it into chrome?
>> >
>> >Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
>> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
>> > ago.
>> >
>> >Thanks all;
>> >
>> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>
>> Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It uses
>> some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around version
>> 25. I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a crash since
>> then.
>>
>> http://www.palemoon.org/
>
>Downloaded and installed the installer to my /home directory.  On running 
>it I am unable to progress beyond the download of the tar.bz2, which I 
>have now done twice because after the download, the installer can't find 
>it!
>
>Why?  Because it asks for my sudo password, and when iceweasel downloads 
>it, iceweasel is running as a sudo root, and puts the download 
>in /root/Downloads. It cautions about running the installer as root in 
>the readme's it showed me a few times.  I have no access to the tarball 
>as me, so whats next?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett

Throw that installer back in your /home. Run it as non-root, move the
first window out of the way, and click on install.

-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

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#162549

On Sunday 03 January 2016 13:14:39 Charlie Kravetz wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:57:54 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:37:06 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
> >>
> >> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> >Greetings all;
> >> >
> >> >Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> >> > has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime,
> >> > bringing up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and
> >> > remember", but it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every
> >> > flash presented.  Half of the time you click on it, the site has
> >> > timed out, so you hit reload hoping you can click the ok quick
> >> > enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it doesn't, so you
> >> > never get to read or see that story.
> >> >
> >> >And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some
> >> > get a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
> >> >
> >> >So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to
> >> > use the reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> >> >
> >> >Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
> >> >
> >> >So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
> >> >install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and
> >> > didn't.
> >> >
> >> >So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
> >> >directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst
> >> > thing. Didn't run from a cli.
> >> >
> >> >Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link
> >> >in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to
> >> > /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, on checking that I find I don't
> >> > have it, as the google stuff in /opt is, and I quote
> >> > "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of
> >> > an easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I
> >> > assume turns it into chrome?
> >> >
> >> >Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> >> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> >> > ago.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks all;
> >> >
> >> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >>
> >> Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It
> >> uses some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around
> >> version 25. I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a
> >> crash since then.
> >>
> >> http://www.palemoon.org/
> >
> >Downloaded and installed the installer to my /home directory.  On
> > running it I am unable to progress beyond the download of the
> > tar.bz2, which I have now done twice because after the download, the
> > installer can't find it!
> >
> >Why?  Because it asks for my sudo password, and when iceweasel
> > downloads it, iceweasel is running as a sudo root, and puts the
> > download in /root/Downloads. It cautions about running the installer
> > as root in the readme's it showed me a few times.  I have no access
> > to the tarball as me, so whats next?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Throw that installer back in your /home. Run it as non-root, move the
> first window out of the way, and click on install.

I have done that, about 6 times now, it opens no other windows UNTIL I 
have given it my sudo passwd.

Since I have 2 copies of it sitting in /root/Downloads I think I'll have 
a root mc session move one of them back and if needed change the perms. 
Then look at it and see if I can do it without that broken script.  Or 
better yet, edit the script if I can see whats wrong.

Thanks.


IMO whoever wrote that script needs to take another look at it since they 
do NOT want root to install it.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162536

On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> So I installed googles chromium,

Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).

> but it crashes and you have to use the 
> reload button, hundreds of times a day.

> Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume turns
> it into chrome?

 No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a Debian 
package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is proprietary and Just 
Works (most of the time).

> Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle
> the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.

I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy for 
almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the security 
issues.

Lisi

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#162537

On Sunday 03 January 2016 12:21:17 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So I installed googles chromium,
>
> Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).

The latter.  From its about screen:

Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580)

It was updated a few weeks back, which I had hoped would fix the 
crashing, but it made zero diff in that regard.

> > but it crashes and you have to use the
> > reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> > easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
> > turns it into chrome?
>
>  No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a
> Debian package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is
> proprietary and Just Works (most of the time).
>
> > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> > ago.
>
> I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy
> for almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the
> security issues.
>
Yes flash generally works, if you can get past that damned requester fast 
enough.  But when you don't respond, most sites that count clicks just 
ignore you.  cbsnews being the worst, if the adv isn't seen, then you 
can't see the story either.

> Lisi


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162543

On Sunday 03 January 2016 17:38:23 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy
> > for almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the
> > security issues.
>
> Yes flash generally works, if you can get past that damned requester fast
> enough.  But when you don't respond, most sites that count clicks just
> ignore you.  cbsnews being the worst, if the adv isn't seen, then you
> can't see the story either.

I just don't get this at all.  You must have something set somewhere asking 
for this behaviour.  Flash just plays.  

Lisi

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#162546

On 01/03/2016 07:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
> been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
> requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't
> remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half of the time
> you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit reload hoping you
> can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it
> doesn't, so you never get to read or see that story.
>
> And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
> a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.

On 01/03/2016 09:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 > Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580)

I am loath to install software by circumventing the Apt package system 
-- doing so has destabilized my systems more times than I can count. 
For me, the path of least resistance is Debian stable with minimal 
customization.


Regarding IceWeasel on Wheezy, the default installation didn't seem to 
include support for Flash.  My guess is that the warning messages come 
from a JavaScript library (on the web server, or other Internet server) 
that detects the absence of an add-on to deal with the relevant MIME 
type.  Installing the following Debian package makes the warnings go 
away and allows me to watch videos on YouTube:

     browser-plugin-gnash


David

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#162550

On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 07:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> > has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing
> > up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but
> > it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented. 
> > Half of the time you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit
> > reload hoping you can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS
> > time. Usually it doesn't, so you never get to read or see that
> > story.
> >
> > And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
> > a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
>
> On 01/03/2016 09:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>  > Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9
>  > (281580)
>
> I am loath to install software by circumventing the Apt package system
> -- doing so has destabilized my systems more times than I can count.
> For me, the path of least resistance is Debian stable with minimal
> customization.
>
>
> Regarding IceWeasel on Wheezy, the default installation didn't seem to
> include support for Flash.  My guess is that the warning messages come
> from a JavaScript library (on the web server, or other Internet
> server) that detects the absence of an add-on to deal with the
> relevant MIME type.  Installing the following Debian package makes the
> warnings go away and allows me to watch videos on YouTube:
>
>      browser-plugin-gnash
>
This has been installed for quite some time, several months.
>
> David


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162552

On 01/03/2016 01:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:
>>       browser-plugin-gnash
>>
> This has been installed for quite some time, several months.

Please provide an example URL that causes the annoyance.


David

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#162557

On Sunday 03 January 2016 16:31:41 David Christensen wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 01:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:
> >>       browser-plugin-gnash
> >
> > This has been installed for quite some time, several months.
>
> Please provide an example URL that causes the annoyance.
>
>
> David

Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front page, 
presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen bit of 
slashdot.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-meaning-of-terrorist/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-south-carolina-murder-suspect/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-your-401k/
Thats 4 that give this:
Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache 
server, whatever the heck that is.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/
There I found a flash, tried to play it, clicked on the update now 
button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit version in a tar.gz, 
supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only flash file in 
Downloads:
-rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene    5979889 Aug 25  2013 
flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162561

On Sunday 03 January 2016 22:14:24 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 03 January 2016 16:31:41 David Christensen wrote:
> > On 01/03/2016 01:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:
> > >>       browser-plugin-gnash
> > >
> > > This has been installed for quite some time, several months.
> >
> > Please provide an example URL that causes the annoyance.
> >
> >
> > David
>
> Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front page,
> presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen bit of
> slashdot.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-meaning-of
>-terrorist/
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-south-caro
>lina-murder-suspect/
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-your-40
>1k/ Thats 4 that give this:
> Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache
> server, whatever the heck that is.
>
> http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cel
>ls-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/ There I found a flash, tried to play it,
> clicked on the update now button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit
> version in a tar.gz, supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only
> flash file in Downloads:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene    5979889 Aug 25  2013
> flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
> I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.

All five played fine in Google Chrome.  The last three played fine in 
Iceweasel.  The first two had a large blank space at the top in Iceweasel, 
but otherwise played fine.

I have flashplugin-nonfree installed, not gnash, which I have found 
unsatisfactory.

Some of it did take a while to download.

Had you thought of actually installing Iceweasel from the repositories?  You 
might find it worked better, as well as updating better.

Lisi

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#162563

Lisi writes:
> Had you thought of actually installing Iceweasel from the
> repositories?  You might find it worked better, as well as updating
> better.

It works fine for me.  Has for years.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#162567

On Sunday 03 January 2016 19:00:10 John Hasler wrote:

> Lisi writes:
> > Had you thought of actually installing Iceweasel from the
> > repositories?  You might find it worked better, as well as updating
> > better.
>
> It works fine for me.  Has for years.

I nuked all the gnash and lightspark stuff, then reinstalled iceweasel.
Some of the flash interference is still there, but when I click on the 
allow, every site but one worked.

I am still getting the request entity too big errors from cbsnews, but 
the rest seems to be working generally better.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#162568

On 01/03/2016 02:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front page,
> presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen bit of
> slashdot.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-meaning-of-terrorist/

Testing IceWeasel 38.5.0 on a fresh install of debian-7.9.0-amd64-xfce, 
I see a web page with lots of text and images.  I do not see any error 
messages.


> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-south-carolina-murder-suspect/

I see a pop-up/ overlay for ~10 seconds, then I see the web page.


> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/

I see the web page.


> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-your-401k/

I see the web page.


> Thats 4 that give this:
> Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache
> server, whatever the heck that is.

Did you click on something to produce that error message?


> http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/

I see the web page.


> There I found a flash, tried to play it,

Following the paragraph "Baghdadi added: ...", I see a grayed area with 
the text "A plugin is needed to display this content".  Clicking on it 
has no effect.


If I browse to YouTube, and click on the top video "Coldplay - Birds 
(Official video)", it plays.  Testing two others, they work fine.  Note 
that I did not need to install browser-plugin-gnash, so YouTube is 
likely detecting what IceWeasel supports OOTB and sending a suitable 
video stream.


> clicked on the update now
> button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit version in a tar.gz,
> supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only flash file in
> Downloads:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene    5979889 Aug 25  2013
> flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
> I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.

I think you've boogered your machine.  Put in another system drive (or 
USB stick), do a plain vanilla install of Wheezy with Xfce, take an 
image, and then try IceWeasel.


David

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