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Putting It All On a Stick

Started bySteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
First post2015-12-29 22:30 +0100
Last post2015-12-30 18:00 +0100
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  Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-29 22:30 +0100
    Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-29 22:40 +0100
      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 03:00 +0100
        Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2015-12-30 05:40 +0100
          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 15:00 +0100
        Re: Putting It All On a Stick <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-30 10:50 +0100
          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 15:10 +0100
            Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 16:30 +0100
              Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 16:40 +0100
                Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 16:50 +0100
                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 19:50 +0100
              Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 16:40 +0100
                Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 18:30 +0100
                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 19:00 +0100
                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 19:30 +0100
                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 20:00 +0100
                          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 20:40 +0100
                            Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 20:50 +0100
                              Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
                            Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:50 +0100
                              Re: Putting It All On a Stick Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-30 21:40 +0100
                                Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 00:10 +0100
                                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-31 10:30 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 11:30 +0100
                                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:30 +0100
                                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 17:10 +0100
                                          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-01-01 16:40 +0100
                            Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 21:30 +0100
                              Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-30 22:20 +0100
                                Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-30 22:40 +0100
                                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2015-12-31 02:20 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 10:20 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:50 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-01-01 15:20 +0100
                                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:30 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-31 16:50 +0100
                                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 17:10 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 17:30 +0100
                                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 18:00 +0100
                                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 18:20 +0100
                                          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2015-12-31 19:20 +0100
                                            Re: Putting It All On a Stick John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-31 19:30 +0100
                                            Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 11:40 +0100
                                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 18:30 +0100
                                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-31 19:00 +0100
                                          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 20:20 +0100
                                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 16:40 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 17:20 +0100
                                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 17:50 +0100
                                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> - 2015-12-31 18:00 +0100
                                          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-01-02 22:00 +0100
                                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 18:00 +0100
                                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:40 +0100
                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 00:10 +0100
                        Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 00:20 +0100
                          Re: Putting It All On a Stick Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-01 16:20 +0100
                            Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-01-01 17:20 +0100
                              Re: Putting It All On a Stick Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-06 15:00 +0100
                                Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 16:50 +0100
                                  Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 20:30 +0100
                    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
                      Re: Putting It All On a Stick Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 22:00 +0100
                Re: Putting It All On a Stick Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 19:50 +0100
            Re: Putting It All On a Stick <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-12-30 16:50 +0100
    Re: Putting It All On a Stick Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-30 18:00 +0100

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#162199 — Putting It All On a Stick

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-29 22:30 +0100
SubjectPutting It All On a Stick
Message-ID<qLa0a-5S6-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and
third images be simply copied onto the USB drive, creating one
complete three-disk installation set on a single medium?

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#162201

From"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk>
Date2015-12-29 22:40 +0100
Message-ID<qLa9P-5VQ-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162199
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
> ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
> drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and
> third images be simply copied onto the USB drive, creating one
> complete three-disk installation set on a single medium?

You can do this most easily by using jigdo to get the single density Blu-Ray
.iso - about 14GB - and use dd to write this directly to a USB stick.

This gives you a 14GB .iso which includes all the Debian packages in one
place that is directly bootable and will fit on a 16GB USB stick :)

I did this at the release of Debian 8 to prove that it was feasible.

This does assume that you have good 'net access to build the iso in
the first place since tha packages will need to be downloaded from a 
network.

All the very best,

AndyC

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#162212

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 03:00 +0100
Message-ID<qLeds-8oB-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162201
Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
large

>On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
>> ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
>> drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and
>> third images be simply copied onto the USB drive, creating one
>> complete three-disk installation set on a single medium?
>
>You can do this most easily by using jigdo to get the single density Blu-Ray
>.iso - about 14GB - and use dd to write this directly to a USB stick.
>
>This gives you a 14GB .iso which includes all the Debian packages in one
>place that is directly bootable and will fit on a 16GB USB stick :)
>
>I did this at the release of Debian 8 to prove that it was feasible.
>
>This does assume that you have good 'net access to build the iso in
>the first place since tha packages will need to be downloaded from a 
>network.
>
>All the very best,
>
>AndyC
>

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#162215

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2015-12-30 05:40 +0100
Message-ID<qLgIi-1F5-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162212
On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:

>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>> Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
>>> ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
>>> drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and
>>> third images be simply copied onto the USB drive, creating one
>>> complete three-disk installation set on a single medium?
>> 
>> You can do this most easily by using jigdo to get the single density Blu-Ray
>> .iso - about 14GB - and use dd to write this directly to a USB stick.
>> 
>> This gives you a 14GB .iso which includes all the Debian packages in one
>> place that is directly bootable and will fit on a 16GB USB stick :)
>> 
>> I did this at the release of Debian 8 to prove that it was feasible.
>> 
>> This does assume that you have good 'net access to build the iso in
>> the first place since tha packages will need to be downloaded from a 
>> network.
>> 
>> All the very best,
>> 
>> AndyC
>> 
> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts:
>     result too large

Maybe Windows has problems with huge files?  I don’t know if it does, but maybe…

Try doing it on a Linux machine.

Rick

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#162237

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 15:00 +0100
Message-ID<qLpse-7lJ-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162215
Um, if I had one, I would. Thats the whole purpose of this
exercise--to get me a Linux machine, so I just thought I'd do it the
easy way.

Jigdo ran all night and I got nothing. In fact, it's still trying.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:34:05 -0800, you wrote:

>
>On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>>> Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
>>>> ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
>>>> drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and
>>>> third images be simply copied onto the USB drive, creating one
>>>> complete three-disk installation set on a single medium?
>>> 
>>> You can do this most easily by using jigdo to get the single density Blu-Ray
>>> .iso - about 14GB - and use dd to write this directly to a USB stick.
>>> 
>>> This gives you a 14GB .iso which includes all the Debian packages in one
>>> place that is directly bootable and will fit on a 16GB USB stick :)
>>> 
>>> I did this at the release of Debian 8 to prove that it was feasible.
>>> 
>>> This does assume that you have good 'net access to build the iso in
>>> the first place since tha packages will need to be downloaded from a 
>>> network.
>>> 
>>> All the very best,
>>> 
>>> AndyC
>>> 
>> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
>> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
>> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts:
>>     result too large
>
>Maybe Windows has problems with huge files?  I don’t know if it does, but maybe…
>
>Try doing it on a Linux machine.
>
>Rick

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#162221

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2015-12-30 10:50 +0100
Message-ID<qLlyi-4ST-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162212
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
> large

AFAIK the DOS family file systems have a size limit of 4GB for a file.
So make sure the target file system can handle bigger files.

(Just a guess)

regards
- -- t
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#162239

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 15:10 +0100
Message-ID<qLpBU-7EZ-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162221
I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
>> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
>> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
>> large
>
>AFAIK the DOS family file systems have a size limit of 4GB for a file.
>So make sure the target file system can handle bigger files.
>
>(Just a guess)
>
>regards
>- -- t
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>

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#162252

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-30 16:30 +0100
Message-ID<qLqRl-8m8-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162239
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
> >> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
> >> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
> >> large
> >
> >AFAIK the DOS family file systems have a size limit of 4GB for a file.
> >So make sure the target file system can handle bigger files.
> >
> >(Just a guess)
> >
> >regards
> >- -- t
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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> >
> >iEYEARECAAYFAlaDnoUACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZjzACdF+h3/wSXsvFO45VobTktm0Z+
> >gOUAnAhft8uDPqobkzwBXrVci4IOgmPr
> >=8VrD
> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Why not use the net-install?  That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a small 
stick, and away you go.  Just do the basic install and then pull the rest off 
the net.  You don't need everything.

I never use anything else.  You can get it with or without  proprietary 
network drivers:
https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/

(The official image (without drivers) is at the top of the page, the image 
with drivers is towards the bottom of the page in the yellow box.)

Lisi

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#162255

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-30 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<qLr0Z-8qm-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162252
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 15:26:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
> > I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:

> > >
> > >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > >> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
> > >> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
> > >> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
> > >> large
> > >
> > >AFAIK the DOS family file systems have a size limit of 4GB for a file.
> > >So make sure the target file system can handle bigger files.
> > >
> > >(Just a guess)

> Why not use the net-install?  That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a small
> stick, and away you go.  Just do the basic install and then pull the rest
> off the net.  You don't need everything.
>
> I never use anything else.  You can get it with or without  proprietary
> network drivers:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
>
> (The official image (without drivers) is at the top of the page, the image
> with drivers is towards the bottom of the page in the yellow box.)
>
> Lisi

Then, once you have got a Debian installation, you can download the whole lot 
by the method suggested above, if you still want to do it.

Lisi

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#162263

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 16:50 +0100
Message-ID<qLraG-8uw-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162255
Lisi:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:30:11 +0000, you wrote:

>> Why not use the net-install?  That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a small
>> stick, and away you go.  Just do the basic install and then pull the rest
>> off the net.  You don't need everything.
>>
>> I never use anything else.  You can get it with or without  proprietary
>> network drivers:
>> https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
>>
>> (The official image (without drivers) is at the top of the page, the image
>> with drivers is towards the bottom of the page in the yellow box.)

Does this installer have the Speakup screenreader built into it and
startable in the same way as the full installation DVD distro does? If
so, then I can do it this way; if not, then not, since I have no
non-visually-impaired assistance for this project.

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#162278

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-30 19:50 +0100
Message-ID<qLtYS-1Ny-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162263
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 15:45:05 Steve Matzura wrote:
> Lisi:
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:30:11 +0000, you wrote:
> >> Why not use the net-install?  That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a
> >> small stick, and away you go.  Just do the basic install and then pull
> >> the rest off the net.  You don't need everything.
> >>
> >> I never use anything else.  You can get it with or without  proprietary
> >> network drivers:
> >> https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
> >>
> >> (The official image (without drivers) is at the top of the page, the
> >> image with drivers is towards the bottom of the page in the yellow box.)
>
> Does this installer have the Speakup screenreader built into it and
> startable in the same way as the full installation DVD distro does? If
> so, then I can do it this way; if not, then not, since I have no
> non-visually-impaired assistance for this project.

The short answer is yes!!  Well it's built in.  I don't know if the manner of 
starting it is the same as in the full installation.  See my reply to your 
other thread.

Lisi

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#162256

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<qLr10-8qm-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162252
Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:26:49 +0000, you wrote:

>On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
>> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:
>> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> >Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> >> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
>> >> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
>> >> download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
>> >> large
>> >
>> >AFAIK the DOS family file systems have a size limit of 4GB for a file.
>> >So make sure the target file system can handle bigger files.
>> >
>> >(Just a guess)
>> >
>> >regards
>> >- -- t
>> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> >Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
>> >
>> >iEYEARECAAYFAlaDnoUACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZjzACdF+h3/wSXsvFO45VobTktm0Z+
>> >gOUAnAhft8uDPqobkzwBXrVci4IOgmPr
>> >=8VrD
>> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>Why not use the net-install?  That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a small 
>stick, and away you go.  Just do the basic install and then pull the rest off 
>the net.  You don't need everything.
>
>I never use anything else.  You can get it with or without  proprietary 
>network drivers:
>https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
>
>(The official image (without drivers) is at the top of the page, the image 
>with drivers is towards the bottom of the page in the yellow box.)
>
>Lisi
>

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#162268

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2015-12-30 18:30 +0100
Message-ID<qLsJr-15B-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162256
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:

> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.

"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.

The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second
will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see
why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.

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#162272

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 19:00 +0100
Message-ID<qLtcv-1he-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162268
Frankly, neither can I, and I also can't see why the "install
additional software" procedure in Step 14 would fail, but it did, and
there we are. I'll try DVD 1 again now. At least I won't have to go
through the disk partitioning business again. That part is all done.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:30 +0000, you wrote:

>On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>
>> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
>
>"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
>
>The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
>gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second
>will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see
>why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
>

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#162273

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2015-12-30 19:20 +0100
Message-ID<qLtvR-1DA-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162272
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 12:49:25 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote

As a matter of interest, how did you partition the disk? What
partitioning scheme did you use?

Also, you might have, I think, written the DVD-1 ISO image to a USB
stick from within Windows. How did you do it?

I went through the speech synthesis install using the visual prompts
and, when it came to the task selection stage (install
additional software), chose "8 9 11". There was no problem with this.


> Frankly, neither can I, and I also can't see why the "install
> additional software" procedure in Step 14 would fail, but it did, and
> there we are. I'll try DVD 1 again now. At least I won't have to go
> through the disk partitioning business again. That part is all done.
> 
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:30 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >
> >> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
> >
> >"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
> >
> >The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
> >gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second
> >will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see
> >why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
> >
> 

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#162274

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 19:30 +0100
Message-ID<qLtFw-1GU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162273
I chose the partition scheme offering separate /, /home, /var and /tmp
partitions. I would have preferred to put /home on a different
physical drive only because everything else will be living on an SSD
and I would prefer to keep the writes to that disk at a minimum. I
have an extra rotating disk of size 250GB I could easily use for
/home, and I suppose I could eventually move /home to that drive, but
for now, all of this is purely experimental and learning, so anything
I do that's wrong or inefficient can easily be redone in a matter of
minutes.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:13:26 +0000, you wrote:

>On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 12:49:25 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote
>
>As a matter of interest, how did you partition the disk? What
>partitioning scheme did you use?
>
>Also, you might have, I think, written the DVD-1 ISO image to a USB
>stick from within Windows. How did you do it?
>
>I went through the speech synthesis install using the visual prompts
>and, when it came to the task selection stage (install
>additional software), chose "8 9 11". There was no problem with this.
>
>
>> Frankly, neither can I, and I also can't see why the "install
>> additional software" procedure in Step 14 would fail, but it did, and
>> there we are. I'll try DVD 1 again now. At least I won't have to go
>> through the disk partitioning business again. That part is all done.
>> 
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:30 +0000, you wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
>> >
>> >"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
>> >
>> >The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
>> >gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second
>> >will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see
>> >why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
>> >
>> 
>

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#162283

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2015-12-30 20:00 +0100
Message-ID<qLu8y-1QY-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162274
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 13:26:10 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:

If you are experimenting I would choose Manual partitioning and go for a
single 10/20 GB partition. You are not exactly installing very much and
that is plenty.

A repeat question: how did you get the ISO on a USB stick? (Assuming
this is what you did).


> I chose the partition scheme offering separate /, /home, /var and /tmp
> partitions. I would have preferred to put /home on a different
> physical drive only because everything else will be living on an SSD
> and I would prefer to keep the writes to that disk at a minimum. I
> have an extra rotating disk of size 250GB I could easily use for
> /home, and I suppose I could eventually move /home to that drive, but
> for now, all of this is purely experimental and learning, so anything
> I do that's wrong or inefficient can easily be redone in a matter of
> minutes.
> 
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:13:26 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 12:49:25 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote
> >
> >As a matter of interest, how did you partition the disk? What
> >partitioning scheme did you use?
> >
> >Also, you might have, I think, written the DVD-1 ISO image to a USB
> >stick from within Windows. How did you do it?
> >
> >I went through the speech synthesis install using the visual prompts
> >and, when it came to the task selection stage (install
> >additional software), chose "8 9 11". There was no problem with this.
> >
> >
> >> Frankly, neither can I, and I also can't see why the "install
> >> additional software" procedure in Step 14 would fail, but it did, and
> >> there we are. I'll try DVD 1 again now. At least I won't have to go
> >> through the disk partitioning business again. That part is all done.
> >> 
> >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:30 +0000, you wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
> >> >
> >> >"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
> >> >
> >> >The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
> >> >gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second
> >> >will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see
> >> >why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
> >> >
> >> 
> >
> 

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#162291

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 20:40 +0100
Message-ID<qLuLh-2lq-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162283
Sorry, I missed that question. I have not put it on a stick as yet,
not even the (relatively) small DVD image. I tried using ISO2USB but
couldn't get the thing to boot. I don't know if it was because my
thumb drive wouldn't cooperate, or just what, but I definitely did
make it work with ISO2USB and another 4GB image of a Windows installer
that worked just peachy. The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
thought I would try to make work because it's convenient to carry it
around and use on various hardwares I encounter on a regular basis in
my travels as the itinerant accessible computing guy. I can install
Windows, and now at least two Linux distros accessibly, meaning
"without third party assistance."

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:51:32 +0000, you wrote:

>On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 13:26:10 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>
>If you are experimenting I would choose Manual partitioning and go for a
>single 10/20 GB partition. You are not exactly installing very much and
>that is plenty.
>
>A repeat question: how did you get the ISO on a USB stick? (Assuming
>this is what you did).
>
>
>> I chose the partition scheme offering separate /, /home, /var and /tmp
>> partitions. I would have preferred to put /home on a different
>> physical drive only because everything else will be living on an SSD
>> and I would prefer to keep the writes to that disk at a minimum. I
>> have an extra rotating disk of size 250GB I could easily use for
>> /home, and I suppose I could eventually move /home to that drive, but
>> for now, all of this is purely experimental and learning, so anything
>> I do that's wrong or inefficient can easily be redone in a matter of
>> minutes.
>> 
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:13:26 +0000, you wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 12:49:25 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote
>> >
>> >As a matter of interest, how did you partition the disk? What
>> >partitioning scheme did you use?
>> >
>> >Also, you might have, I think, written the DVD-1 ISO image to a USB
>> >stick from within Windows. How did you do it?
>> >
>> >I went through the speech synthesis install using the visual prompts
>> >and, when it came to the task selection stage (install
>> >additional software), chose "8 9 11". There was no problem with this.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Frankly, neither can I, and I also can't see why the "install
>> >> additional software" procedure in Step 14 would fail, but it did, and
>> >> there we are. I'll try DVD 1 again now. At least I won't have to go
>> >> through the disk partitioning business again. That part is all done.
>> >> 
>> >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:30 +0000, you wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
>> >> >
>> >> >The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
>> >> >gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the second
>> >> >will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I cannot see
>> >> >why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >
>> 
>

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#162292

FromSteve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
Date2015-12-30 20:50 +0100
Message-ID<qLuUV-2pO-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162291
Well, true enough, but if it isn't, it's a viable alternative. In my
line of work, alternatives rule.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +0000, you wrote:

>On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
>> The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
>> thought I would try to make work because it's convenient to carry it
>> around and use on various hardwares I encounter on a regular basis in
>> my travels as the itinerant accessible computing guy.
>
>Now that is not really suitable for the net-install CD because the Internet 
>connection could be ropy.
>
>Lisi
>

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#162300

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-30 21:00 +0100
Message-ID<qLv4C-2sX-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#162292
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:48:02 Steve Matzura wrote:
> Well, true enough, but if it isn't, it's a viable alternative. In my
> line of work, alternatives rule.

:-) 
As I say, I prefer it.  It is simpler, where it is suitable at all.

Lisi

>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +0000, you wrote:
> >On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
> >> The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
> >> thought I would try to make work because it's convenient to carry it
> >> around and use on various hardwares I encounter on a regular basis in
> >> my travels as the itinerant accessible computing guy.
> >
> >Now that is not really suitable for the net-install CD because the
> > Internet connection could be ropy.
> >
> >Lisi

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