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  command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-15 23:10 +0100
    Re: command not found Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-12-15 23:40 +0100
      Re: command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 02:00 +0100
        Re: command not found Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2015-12-16 02:00 +0100
          Re: command not found Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-16 02:40 +0100
            Re: command not found Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 02:40 +0100
        Re: command not found "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-16 08:20 +0100
    Re: command not found Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 00:10 +0100
      Re: command not found "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 00:20 +0100
        Re: command not found Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 00:30 +0100
        Re: command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 02:00 +0100
          Re: command not found Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-16 02:30 +0100
      Re: command not found Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 00:30 +0100
    Re: command not found John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-16 00:20 +0100
    Re: command not found Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-12-16 01:20 +0100
      Re: command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 02:10 +0100
        Re: command not found John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-16 03:10 +0100
        Re: command not found Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 04:50 +0100
    Re: command not found Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-16 06:10 +0100
      Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 19:10 +0100
        Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 20:20 +0100
          Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-17 21:10 +0100
            Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-18 11:30 +0100
              POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 11:40 +0100
                Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-12-18 12:00 +0100
                  Re: POP3 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-18 12:20 +0100
                    Re: POP3 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-18 12:50 +0100
                  Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2015-12-18 13:40 +0100
                    Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 15:40 +0100
                Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-18 12:30 +0100
                  Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 15:40 +0100
                  Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-18 16:00 +0100
                    Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 17:10 +0100
                      Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-18 22:40 +0100
                        Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-18 23:00 +0100
                  Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2015-12-18 16:30 +0100
                    Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 17:10 +0100
                      Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 17:20 +0100
                      Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2015-12-18 18:30 +0100
                        Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 19:20 +0100
                          Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-12-18 20:10 +0100
                            Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 23:10 +0100
                    Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 17:20 +0100
                    Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 20:50 +0100
                      Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-12-19 17:10 +0100
                        Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-20 01:20 +0100
                          OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-20 21:00 +0100
                            Re: OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-20 21:50 +0100
                Re: POP3 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-12-18 16:30 +0100
                  Re: POP3 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 16:40 +0100
                    Re: POP3 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-12-19 01:30 +0100
                      Re: POP3 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 01:50 +0100
                      Re: POP3 Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-12-21 14:50 +0100
                        Re: POP3 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-01-04 16:50 +0100
              Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-18 18:10 +0100
                Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-19 20:50 +0100
        Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-16 20:30 +0100

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#161888 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Friday 18 December 2015 12:23:25 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:07:57 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of
> > > good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up
> > > links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're
> > > interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.
> >
> > ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank
> > beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look
> > again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper
> > printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its
> > done.
>
> That wiki might be better if you have specific questions rather than
> as an introduction. This is what I can find right now in my bookmarks:
>
> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/275/Setting_up_an_IMAP_se
>rver_with_dovecot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
> https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-a
>nd-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/
>
> If you want to use Sieve filters:
>
> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve
> http://pigeonhole.dovecot.org/
> https://secure.gold.ac.uk/sieve-new/howto.php
>
> You might also want to look at the ManageSieve plugin for Dovecot if
> you have a client that supports it. There is an addon for Thunderbird,
> and Claws comes with a plugin. If you give this a go and run into
> problems, just let me know and I'm happy to share my configuration
> files. AFAICR I found all that I needed to know for the basic setup in
> the two or three first links.
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:13:58 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so
> > as to maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?
>
> You might want to take a look at the wget man page, under the
> "Recursive Retrieval Options" heading.
>
> Petter

Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are 
syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
-np
--follow-ftp
-r
-l 20
-k

Then, invoking wget:

$> wget http://wiki.dovecot.org/FrontPage
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 1.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 2.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 3.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 4.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 5.

Obviously something is all aglay.

Thanks for any insight.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>

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#161889 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On 18/12/15 18:14, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are
> syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
> gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
> -np
> --follow-ftp
> -r
> -l 20
> -k

Using "info wget" to read the wget user manual, I see that your wgetrc 
is indeed syntactically invalid. To do what yours appears to be intended 
to do, you would need something like:

no_parent = on
follow_ftp = on
recursive = on
reclevel = 20
convert_links = on

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#161898 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Friday 18 December 2015 14:02:52 Martin Read wrote:

> On 18/12/15 18:14, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are
> > syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
> > gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
> > -np
> > --follow-ftp
> > -r
> > -l 20
> > -k
>
> Using "info wget" to read the wget user manual, I see that your wgetrc
> is indeed syntactically invalid. To do what yours appears to be
> intended to do, you would need something like:
>
> no_parent = on
> follow_ftp = on
> recursive = on
> reclevel = 20
> convert_links = on

I changed it, and while it is attempting to do something, the errors are 
abundant, like no permission, 403 FORBIDEN, and 503 SERVICE NOT 
AVAILABLE  Total files retrieved and converted are only about 30.

Many of the filenames were long strings of high bit set hex numbers. None 
of which existed. So obviously I need to set a few more options.  But 
what?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>

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#161883 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this
> > > case I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell
> > > me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in
> > > this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.
>
> It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
> server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
> down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to
> Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which
> filters them into appropriate folders.
>
> This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so
> I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree.
> If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.
>
> >  The all
> > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back
> > to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would
> > exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13
> > years.
>
> I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
> directory size thing.
>
> > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.
>
> Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
> it can't do that.
>
> > I might also
> > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> > a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> > educational background reason for each.
> >
> > I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> > mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.
>
> If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
> tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
> pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki
> at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.
>
> NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well
> for you, but I'm very happy with it.
>
> Petter

Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so as to 
maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>

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#161890 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On 12/18/2015 10:19 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
>>> lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
>>> to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
>>>
>>> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
>>> often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case
>>> I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that
>>> I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.

I use POP. Nuff said. :) Ric

p/s I knew I liked you for some reason, Lisi!

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#161913 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On 2015-12-18, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> I use POP. Nuff said. :) Ric

And I don't give a shit what you use. I don't have a car and bought my
first cell phone six months ago.  My cat died and I don't want another
because of the heartbreak I went through.

> p/s I knew I liked you for some reason, Lisi!
>

So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that
distinguishes us.

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#161922 — Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015, Curt wrote:

> My cat died and I don't want another because of the heartbreak 
> I went through.

I am so sorry for your loss, which very clearly was a *major* 
one. Try to give yourself enough time to grieve; there's no 
telling how long that will take. There's no FAQ for grief, and 
loss of a pet for many people is a more severe blow than the 
demise of some of the people in their life. We give our animals 
unconditional love and they return it, with interest on account.

> So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that 
> distinguishes us.

In many ways we are not a very admirable species. I don't really 
like people, as a group. Some of them, taken individually are 
just dandy. but as a group -- feh. Which makes it all the more 
difficult to do justice to them, which they need, and which we 
need to attempt.

Best regards,

-- 
Bob Bernstein

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#161950 — OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 07:19:17PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015, Curt wrote:
> 
> >My cat died and I don't want another because of the heartbreak I
> >went through.
> 
> I am so sorry for your loss, which very clearly was a *major* one.
> Try to give yourself enough time to grieve; there's no telling how
> long that will take. There's no FAQ for grief, and loss of a pet for
> many people is a more severe blow than the demise of some of the
> people in their life. We give our animals unconditional love and
> they return it, with interest on account.

When I had to put down my old guy and best friend "Num Nutz" I cried more 
than I did at my mother's funeral....so I know the feeling.

> 
> >So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that
> >distinguishes us.
> 
> In many ways we are not a very admirable species. I don't really
> like people, as a group. Some of them, taken individually are just
> dandy. but as a group -- feh. Which makes it all the more difficult
> to do justice to them, which they need, and which we need to
> attempt.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> Bob Bernstein

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

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#161952 — Re: OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> When I had to put down my old guy and best friend "Num Nutz" I 
> cried more than I did at my mother's funeral....so I know the 
> feeling.

Yes. Some may want to complain that this exchange is OT, but I 
submit that this Christmas week, with the world seemingly more 
ready to fly apart at the seams than it is has within my memory, 
and I turned seventy one last month, is exactly the time for at 
least a passing nod to our shared concerns of humanity and 
death.

Come the New Year (God Willing and the creek don't rise) 
there'll be plenty of time to get back to our old cranky 
individualistic ways. Right now 'tho there is a strong feeling 
abroad in the land, as they used to say, that either we stick 
together, or hang separately...

-- 
Bob Bernstein

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#161878 — Re: POP3

On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> >
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> >
> >   poll     <POP3 server>
> >   proto    pop3
> >   user     <Could be bob or bob@example.com>
> >   password <secret>
> >   ssl      <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server>
> >
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> 
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers 
> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For the 
> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> 
> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often prepared 
> to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I actually don't agree 
> with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am deluding myself and that I 
> am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> 
> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.

Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".

(In fact, I'm not sure how one could possibly _solve_
"command not found" in the absence of any more context
in the subject line.)

Cheers,
David.

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#161880 — Re: POP3

On Friday 18 December 2015 15:27:08 David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > >
> > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > >
> > >   poll     <POP3 server>
> > >   proto    pop3
> > >   user     <Could be bob or bob@example.com>
> > >   password <secret>
> > >   ssl      <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server>
> > >
> > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> >
> > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers
> > and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For
> > the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> >
> > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I actually
> > don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am deluding
> > myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> >
> > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
> in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".

It hasn't.  But it is a continuation of the thread and I quoted from a mail in 
the thread.  It does say "was" not "is" in the subject..  But it makes clear 
I am not hijacking, but splitting the thread.  You have removed and not 
quoted the "was".

Lisi
>
> (In fact, I'm not sure how one could possibly _solve_
> "command not found" in the absence of any more context
> in the subject line.)

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#161901 — Re: POP3

On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 15:36:05 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 18 December 2015 15:27:08 David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > > >
> > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > > >
> > > >   poll     <POP3 server>
> > > >   proto    pop3
> > > >   user     <Could be bob or bob@example.com>
> > > >   password <secret>
> > > >   ssl      <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server>
> > > >
> > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> > >
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers
> > > and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For
> > > the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I actually
> > > don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am deluding
> > > myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> >
> > Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
> > in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".
> 
> It hasn't.  But it is a continuation of the thread and I quoted from a mail in 
> the thread.  It does say "was" not "is" in the subject..  But it makes clear 
> I am not hijacking, but splitting the thread.  You have removed and not 
> quoted the "was".

Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
post you were responding to.

If there's a thread under "Discussion of how to configure and run
fetchmail" and someone responds with "Straw-poll on the popularity of
POP3, was Discussion of how to configure and run fetchmail", how does
the presence of "was" make one subject relevant to the other?

I just can't see the connection between helping someone get their
fetchmail installed and running, and whether people (and how many) are
"embarrassed to be" still running POP3 rather than IMAP.

And why is almost all this thread tagged {SOLVED]? It might be
justified if there was a solution to a well defined problem which was
now being refined; forgive me if I missed something but Gene asked like-
wise in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00436.html
to which I have as yet seen no response.

Cheers,
David.

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#161902 — Re: POP3

On Saturday 19 December 2015 00:28:35 David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 15:36:05 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 15:27:08 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+0000), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > > > >
> > > > >   poll     <POP3 server>
> > > > >   proto    pop3
> > > > >   user     <Could be bob or bob@example.com>
> > > > >   password <secret>
> > > > >   ssl      <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server>
> > > > >
> > > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> > > >
> > > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> > > > it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > > >
> > > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > > > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> > > > actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I
> > > > am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> > > >
> > > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
> > > in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".
> >
> > It hasn't.  But it is a continuation of the thread and I quoted from a
> > mail in the thread.  It does say "was" not "is" in the subject..  But it
> > makes clear I am not hijacking, but splitting the thread.  You have
> > removed and not quoted the "was".
>
> Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> post you were responding to.
>
> If there's a thread under "Discussion of how to configure and run
> fetchmail" and someone responds with "Straw-poll on the popularity of
> POP3, was Discussion of how to configure and run fetchmail", how does
> the presence of "was" make one subject relevant to the other?
>
> I just can't see the connection between helping someone get their
> fetchmail installed and running, and whether people (and how many) are
> "embarrassed to be" still running POP3 rather than IMAP.
>
> And why is almost all this thread tagged {SOLVED]? It might be
> justified if there was a solution to a well defined problem which was
> now being refined; forgive me if I missed something but Gene asked like-
> wise in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00436.html
> to which I have as yet seen no response.

OK.  That is a valid and different point.  Splitting a thread off when it 
wanders is also usually, although obviously not by you, an accepted practice.  
Had I trimmed as you suggested, people on, say, Gmail wouldn't even have 
known where to look for my quotation.

The OP obviously just saw"SOLVED" as meaning "I'm OK now I don't need any more 
help".  The archives could indeed do with a little more - but people vary 
between those who don't even bother saying that their problem is fixed and 
those who actually instruct everyone else to stop discussing "their" thread 
when they are bored.

Gene, and you, may yet get an answer.

Lisi

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#161962 — Re: POP3

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 06:28:35PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> post you were responding to.

Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Inserting 'was' is normal
practice when starting a sub thread. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#162586 — Re: POP3

On Tue 22 Dec 2015 at 02:48:00 (+1300), Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 06:28:35PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> > post you were responding to.
> 
> Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Inserting 'was' is normal
> practice when starting a sub thread. 

I'm not sure what my mood had to do with it. I wasn't commenting
on how one uses "was" to start a new subthread (something I've
often done here), but whether a discussion of the relative merits
of (still) using the POP3 protocol vs using IMAP was a subthread
of someone's fetchmail difficulties (being discussed under a
remarkable Subject line of "command not found [SOLVED]").

I didn't see one as a continuation of the other, which was about
file permissions, missing libraries and the contents of .fetchmailrc
and /etc/default/fetchmail (in the usual sort of guessing game).

Terms such as "hijacking", "splitting", and constructions such as
Subject: Chalk, was Re: Cheese
were not my concern, nor why Gmail should be able to find an
irrelevant (IMHO) quotation.

Cheers,
David.

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#161885 — Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 09:49:59AM +0000, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 17 Dec 2015 at 12:59:47 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 07:18:31PM +0000, Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 16 Dec 2015 at 11:05:22 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:06:14AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> > > > > Please post your .fetchmailrc, obfuscating any identifying
> > > > > information in it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Scripts can yield up a "command not found" when the nfg executable
> > > > > is not the script itself but, say, some utility called in the
> > > > > script. (Think: "Do I need to make any egreps greps." Just an
> > > > > _example_.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > > > 
> > > > It was disabled in the /etc/default/fetchmail file.
> > > 
> > > What do you mean by "it"? Do you mean you changed
> > > 
> > >   START_DAEMON=no
> > > 
> > > to
> > > 
> > >   START_DAEMON=yes ?
> > > 
> > > What would that have to do with running the command "fetchmail"? Either
> > > fetchmail fetches mail from a POP3 server or it doesn't. Running it as a
> > > daemon would appear to me to have little to do with it, especially as
> > > your first post did not mention this was requirement.
> > > 
> > > I have "START_DAEMON=no" and the fetchmail command does what it is
> > > supposed to do.
> > > 
> > > You need to examine what your requirements are and how you have gone
> > > about implementing them.
> > 
> > Ran a search on "command not found" and one of the hits talked about
> > changing the /etc/default/fetchmail file from "START_DAEMON=no" to 
> > "START_DAEMON=yes". I tried it and fetchmail immediately started
> > working. After reading your post I tried changing it back to "no" and,
> > I'll be damned, it still works.
> > 
> > My requirements are simple and evident: I want to d/l my email. My
> > implementation is the same that has for many years, including yesterday
> > (after the fetchmail command started working).
> > 
> > I've been running linux in various distros for over 10 yrs and every
> > once in a while something like this pops up to show me how little I
> > really know. One thing about linux, sometimes it's a great little ego
> > buster.
> 
> The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> 
>   poll     <POP3 server>
>   proto    pop3
>   user     <Could be bob or bob@example.com>
>   password <secret>
>   ssl      <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server>
> 
> 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.

Mine is similar:

poll "pop.west.cox.net"
protocol pop3                  
username "holtzm"             
password "xxxxxxxx""
mimedecode                      
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -f -"

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

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#161920 — Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:09:30 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 09:49:59AM +0000, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > 
> >   poll     <POP3 server>
> >   proto    pop3
> >   user     <Could be bob or bob@example.com>
> >   password <secret>
> >   ssl      <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server>
> > 
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> 
> Mine is similar:
> 
> poll "pop.west.cox.net"
> protocol pop3                  
> username "holtzm"             
> password "xxxxxxxx""
> mimedecode                      
> mda "/usr/bin/procmail -f -"

My final words on this issue (I hope). It is more an observation than a
criticism of anything that was done. In fact, I would have done the same
myself and copied ~/.fetchmailrc over to a new install.

One possible problem is changes in the new installed package. Maybe it
was something which was initially suboptimal. It is never good to rely
on things staying the same. Not that I'm pointing a finger at fetchmail
but there can be interactions which render a previous working setup
non-working in some aspect. It is good that the OP ended up with a
working mail system, even though the cause cannot be pinpointed.

This is a generality but there is at least one participant in this
thread who copied files over (CUPS was the software, I think) from an
old to a new install and came spectacularly unstuck. It pays to think
carefully when putting old wine into new jars.

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#161820 — Re: command not found [SOLVED]

On Wednesday 16 December 2015 13:05:22 Bob Holtzman wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:06:14AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> > Please post your .fetchmailrc, obfuscating any identifying
> > information in it.
> >
> > Scripts can yield up a "command not found" when the nfg executable
> > is not the script itself but, say, some utility called in the
> > script. (Think: "Do I need to make any egreps greps." Just an
> > _example_.)
> >
> > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
>
> It was disabled in the /etc/default/fetchmail file.
>
Disabled?  How?  Please relate what you found, and how you fixed it, so 
that the fix is in the list archive for the next person searching for 
the answer to the same problem.

> Thanks to all who responded.

Thanks Bob.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>

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