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| Started by | Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> |
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| First post | 2015-12-15 23:10 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-12-16 20:30 +0100 |
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command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-15 23:10 +0100
Re: command not found Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-12-15 23:40 +0100
Re: command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 02:00 +0100
Re: command not found Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2015-12-16 02:00 +0100
Re: command not found Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-16 02:40 +0100
Re: command not found Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 02:40 +0100
Re: command not found "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-16 08:20 +0100
Re: command not found Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 00:10 +0100
Re: command not found "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 00:20 +0100
Re: command not found Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 00:30 +0100
Re: command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 02:00 +0100
Re: command not found Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-16 02:30 +0100
Re: command not found Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 00:30 +0100
Re: command not found John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-16 00:20 +0100
Re: command not found Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-12-16 01:20 +0100
Re: command not found Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 02:10 +0100
Re: command not found John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-16 03:10 +0100
Re: command not found Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 04:50 +0100
Re: command not found Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-16 06:10 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-16 19:10 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 20:20 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-17 21:10 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-18 11:30 +0100
POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 11:40 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-12-18 12:00 +0100
Re: POP3 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-18 12:20 +0100
Re: POP3 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-18 12:50 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2015-12-18 13:40 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 15:40 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-18 12:30 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 12:40 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 15:40 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-18 16:00 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 17:10 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-18 22:40 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-18 23:00 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2015-12-18 16:30 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 17:10 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 17:20 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> - 2015-12-18 18:30 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 19:20 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-12-18 20:10 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 23:10 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-18 17:20 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 20:50 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-12-19 17:10 +0100
Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-20 01:20 +0100
OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-20 21:00 +0100
Re: OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2015-12-20 21:50 +0100
Re: POP3 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-12-18 16:30 +0100
Re: POP3 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 16:40 +0100
Re: POP3 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-12-19 01:30 +0100
Re: POP3 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 01:50 +0100
Re: POP3 Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-12-21 14:50 +0100
Re: POP3 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-01-04 16:50 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-18 18:10 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-12-19 20:50 +0100
Re: command not found [SOLVED] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-16 20:30 +0100
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-16 20:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qGpMd-5PL-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161818 |
On Wed 16 Dec 2015 at 11:05:22 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:06:14AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > Please post your .fetchmailrc, obfuscating any identifying > > information in it. > > > > Scripts can yield up a "command not found" when the nfg executable > > is not the script itself but, say, some utility called in the > > script. (Think: "Do I need to make any egreps greps." Just an > > _example_.) > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > It was disabled in the /etc/default/fetchmail file. What do you mean by "it"? Do you mean you changed START_DAEMON=no to START_DAEMON=yes ? What would that have to do with running the command "fetchmail"? Either fetchmail fetches mail from a POP3 server or it doesn't. Running it as a daemon would appear to me to have little to do with it, especially as your first post did not mention this was requirement. I have "START_DAEMON=no" and the fetchmail command does what it is supposed to do. You need to examine what your requirements are and how you have gone about implementing them.
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| From | Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 21:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qGN2a-48Z-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161819 |
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 07:18:31PM +0000, Brian wrote: > On Wed 16 Dec 2015 at 11:05:22 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:06:14AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > > Please post your .fetchmailrc, obfuscating any identifying > > > information in it. > > > > > > Scripts can yield up a "command not found" when the nfg executable > > > is not the script itself but, say, some utility called in the > > > script. (Think: "Do I need to make any egreps greps." Just an > > > _example_.) > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > > > It was disabled in the /etc/default/fetchmail file. > > What do you mean by "it"? Do you mean you changed > > START_DAEMON=no > > to > > START_DAEMON=yes ? > > What would that have to do with running the command "fetchmail"? Either > fetchmail fetches mail from a POP3 server or it doesn't. Running it as a > daemon would appear to me to have little to do with it, especially as > your first post did not mention this was requirement. > > I have "START_DAEMON=no" and the fetchmail command does what it is > supposed to do. > > You need to examine what your requirements are and how you have gone > about implementing them. Ran a search on "command not found" and one of the hits talked about changing the /etc/default/fetchmail file from "START_DAEMON=no" to "START_DAEMON=yes". I tried it and fetchmail immediately started working. After reading your post I tried changing it back to "no" and, I'll be damned, it still works. My requirements are simple and evident: I want to d/l my email. My implementation is the same that has for many years, including yesterday (after the fetchmail command started working). I've been running linux in various distros for over 10 yrs and every once in a while something like this pops up to show me how little I really know. One thing about linux, sometimes it's a great little ego buster.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 11:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH0sq-4lf-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161850 |
On Thu 17 Dec 2015 at 12:59:47 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 07:18:31PM +0000, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 16 Dec 2015 at 11:05:22 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:06:14AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > > > Please post your .fetchmailrc, obfuscating any identifying > > > > information in it. > > > > > > > > Scripts can yield up a "command not found" when the nfg executable > > > > is not the script itself but, say, some utility called in the > > > > script. (Think: "Do I need to make any egreps greps." Just an > > > > _example_.) > > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > > > > > It was disabled in the /etc/default/fetchmail file. > > > > What do you mean by "it"? Do you mean you changed > > > > START_DAEMON=no > > > > to > > > > START_DAEMON=yes ? > > > > What would that have to do with running the command "fetchmail"? Either > > fetchmail fetches mail from a POP3 server or it doesn't. Running it as a > > daemon would appear to me to have little to do with it, especially as > > your first post did not mention this was requirement. > > > > I have "START_DAEMON=no" and the fetchmail command does what it is > > supposed to do. > > > > You need to examine what your requirements are and how you have gone > > about implementing them. > > Ran a search on "command not found" and one of the hits talked about > changing the /etc/default/fetchmail file from "START_DAEMON=no" to > "START_DAEMON=yes". I tried it and fetchmail immediately started > working. After reading your post I tried changing it back to "no" and, > I'll be damned, it still works. > > My requirements are simple and evident: I want to d/l my email. My > implementation is the same that has for many years, including yesterday > (after the fetchmail command started working). > > I've been running linux in various distros for over 10 yrs and every > once in a while something like this pops up to show me how little I > really know. One thing about linux, sometimes it's a great little ego > buster. The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are poll <POP3 server> proto pop3 user <Could be bob or bob@example.com> password <secret> ssl <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server> 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 11:40 +0100 |
| Subject | POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH0C5-4q0-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161861 |
On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote: > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are > > poll <POP3 server> > proto pop3 > user <Could be bob or bob@example.com> > password <secret> > ssl <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server> > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing. Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it? (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur. However, in this case I actually don't agree with the premise. Feel free to tell me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well. I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does. Lisi
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| From | Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 12:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH0Vs-4xe-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161862 |
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers
> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it? (For the
> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
I am also one of the unenlightened users, making grunting noises in the backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Climate is an ill-tempered beast, and we are poking it with sticks.
-- Mark Maslin
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 12:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 |
| Message-ID | <qH1eO-4T3-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161864 |
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI composed on 2015-12-18 07:57 (UTC-0300): > On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +0000 Lisi Reisz wrote: >> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers >> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it? (For the >> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) > I am also one of the unenlightened users, making grunting noises in the backwoods and using POP3 And I, who tries not to fix what ain't broke. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 12:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 |
| Message-ID | <qH1HP-55K-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161866 |
Hi, > [coming out of several POP3 users] I am carrying Carl Harris' "popclient" from computer to computer since the 1990s. It can even do POP2 if you find a server that cooperates. Occasionally i have to adapt it to the newest internet habits and threats. But that's only minor polishing. Its lack of modern encryption facilities can be compensated by the use of stunnel(8). I now learned that popclient is also the ancestor of fetchmail http://www.fetchmail.info/esrs-design-notes.html Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 13:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH2ud-5E7-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161864 |
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:57:37 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:
Hello Renaud,
>backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)
Using POP3 here, too. I don't need access 24/7 worldwide to all my
emails. And frankly, leaving (some of my personal) emails on a server I
have no control over is asking for trouble.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
The stakes were high but the danger low
Charade - Skids
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 15:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH4mn-6QB-45@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161872 |
On Friday 18 December 2015 07:13:42 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:57:37 -0300 > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > > Hello Renaud, > > >backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...) > > Using POP3 here, too. I don't need access 24/7 worldwide to all my > emails. And frankly, leaving (some of my personal) emails on a server > I have no control over is asking for trouble. Thats one of the reasons fetchmail runs a 3 minute sleep cycle here. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Some mill pix are at: Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 12:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH1ou-4X1-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161862 |
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +0000 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote: > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are > > > > poll <POP3 server> > > proto pop3 > > user <Could be bob or bob@example.com> > > password <secret> > > ssl <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server> > > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing. > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to > it? (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur. However, in this case I > actually don't agree with the premise. Feel free to tell me that I > am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well. > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does. > POP3 is exactly right to use email on one intermittently-powered workstation. It can be pushed beyond that, but only by the user manually duplicating what an IMAP system does by itself. Your choice, of course. I use POP3 (over ssl) to download official mail from my designated contact address at my ISP, for which purpose it is entirely adequate. I use various clients on various computers to access mail for my own domains, stored on my own server, for which POP3 is not at all suitable. -- Joe
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 12:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH1y9-51r-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161867 |
On Friday 18 December 2015 11:26:35 Joe wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +0000 > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > > > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are > > > > > > poll <POP3 server> > > > proto pop3 > > > user <Could be bob or bob@example.com> > > > password <secret> > > > ssl <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server> > > > > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing. > > > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to > > it? (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) > > > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often > > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur. However, in this case I > > actually don't agree with the premise. Feel free to tell me that I > > am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well. > > > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does. > > POP3 is exactly right to use email on one intermittently-powered > workstation. It can be pushed beyond that, but only by the user > manually duplicating what an IMAP system does by itself. Your choice, > of course. > > I use POP3 (over ssl) to download official mail from my designated > contact address at my ISP, for which purpose it is entirely adequate. I > use various clients on various computers to access mail for my own > domains, stored on my own server, for which POP3 is not at all suitable. I only own one screen on which I can see well enough to administer email - i.e. large enough. So I administer my email at one location only. That is one - but only one - of the reasons I choose POP3 for my personal use. Lisi
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 15:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH4mm-6QB-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161862 |
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On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote: > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info. > > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are > > > > poll <POP3 server> > > proto pop3 > > user <Could be bob or bob@example.com> > > password <secret> > > ssl <May or may not be needed. Depends on the server> > > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing. > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to > it? (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur. However, in this case I > actually don't agree with the premise. Feel free to tell me that I am > deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well. > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does. > > Lisi You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch. I in fact like the idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible. The all maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 years. Having experienced first hand the speed of a mailfile based system, which I wrote a script to convert to maildir many years ago now, I would never consider going back, but it appears icedove is locked to something like a mailfile, which in my past experience is a broken concept, one wrong bit anyplace in an index file or in the mailfile and that whole "folder" was gone. I lost over a decades worth of one folder while running on an amiga before I went linux on intel/amd hardware in early '98, and it was the mailing list for the TRS80 Color Computer's. That machines aftermarket operating system, os9, is so much like unix that I still use it from time to time, but we've re-written it, fixing bugs & finding speed, so we call it Nitros9 now. If icedove could handle maildir files thrown at it to build its database, AND used maildir files itself, then I could write a script that could to icedove, look like fetchmail/procmail delivering the mail, at 1 every 5 seconds or so, and let it run till whenever it was done. During that time frame, change kmail to access via imap, so I can watch progress. And after 15 minutes to prove its working, change procmail to deliver to icedove, or if not that, just let icedove file whats incoming, which would be the main reason for a pause in the script after each message has been moved into icedove's input queue. Less lock contention that way. I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database to other machines, but have been told thats impossible. I might also point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for a user who has never dealt with it. I'd still try it, if I could find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff" then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an educational background reason for each. I've not found such a tome. And folks seem to think I'm out of my mind to even try. That attitude on the part of what is supposed to be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons. Thanks for reading. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Some mill pix are at: Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>
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| From | Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 16:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH4FI-6Xw-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161873 |
Gene: I'm unfamiliar with the term "mailfile." Can you expand a tad on that? Q'est-ce que? -- Bob Bernstein
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 17:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH5Ls-7Ro-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161876 |
On Friday 18 December 2015 09:54:54 Bob Bernstein wrote: > Gene: I'm unfamiliar with the term "mailfile." Can you expand a > tad on that? Q'est-ce que? A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and an index file containing the starting offset and read status of each message in the main file to speed up the search for new mail. The fly in that soup is of course that other message marks aren't preserved if the index file has to be completely rebuilt, a time consuming process when an individual folder or directory has 90,000+ emails in it. Even maildirs can be slow to enter when there are 90,000+ files to search for the 3 unread msaages newly arrived, on this system its about 9 seconds of watching the curser spin. Mailfiles are even slower here. That strikes me as a fragile system, and has been adequately proved so at my location, so until I run out of entry's in the directory, I will stick with a file per message format. YMMV, and I could be wrong. But that is AIUI. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Some mill pix are at: Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>
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| From | Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 22:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qHaUP-2Dm-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161881 |
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Gene Heskett wrote: > A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into > one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and > an index file containing the starting offset and read status > of each message in the main file to speed up the search for > new mail. Is that structure/function of the mailfile found only in connection with certain specific MUA's, those which, for example, might implement or somehow make use of it? I know about maildir, mbox and mh, but not mailfile. But don't sweat this Gene; if I was really curious I'd google the goshdarn thing! -- Bob Bernstein
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 23:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qHbe9-2K9-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161894 |
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:33:14 -0500 (EST) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into > > one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and > > an index file containing the starting offset and read status > > of each message in the main file to speed up the search for > > new mail. > > Is that structure/function of the mailfile found only in > connection with certain specific MUA's, those which, for > example, might implement or somehow make use of it? > > I know about maildir, mbox and mh, but not mailfile. But don't > sweat this Gene; if I was really curious I'd google the goshdarn > thing! > > I was assuming that he meant the mbox format, which is/was pretty much universal before the widespread use of IMAP. Debian's default MTA exim4 uses mbox by default but is easy to switch to maildir. As I recall, and it's a few years ago now, that was the only reconfiguration needed on my server when I installed Courier IMAP. Otherwise, it all Just Worked, and has done so ever since. I don't believe dovecot was around then, it was a choice between Courier, Cyrus and UW, and I have no recollection at all of the reason for my choice. -- Joe
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| From | Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 16:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH58K-7n3-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161873 |
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit > > to it? (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) > > > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur. However, in this case > > I actually don't agree with the premise. Feel free to tell me that > > I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as > > well. > > > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does. > > > > Lisi > > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch. I in fact like the > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible. It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which filters them into appropriate folders. This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree. If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up. > The all > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back to > something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would exceed > the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 years. I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the directory size thing. > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible. Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so it can't do that. > I might also > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for > a user who has never dealt with it. I'd still try it, if I could > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff" > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an > educational background reason for each. > > I've not found such a tome. And folks seem to think I'm out of my > mind to even try. That attitude on the part of what is supposed to > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons. If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful. NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well for you, but I'm very happy with it. Petter -- "I'm ionized" "Are you sure?" "I'm positive."
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 17:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH5Lt-7Ro-35@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161879 |
On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500 > > Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, > > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit > > > to it? (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.) > > > > > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am > > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur. However, in this > > > case I actually don't agree with the premise. Feel free to tell > > > me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in > > > this as well. > > > > > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does. > > > > > > Lisi > > > > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit > > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch. I in fact like the > > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up > > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this > > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible. > > It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP > server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull > down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to > Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which > filters them into appropriate folders. > > This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so > I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree. > If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up. > > > The all > > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back > > to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would > > exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 > > years. > > I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the > directory size thing. > > > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database > > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible. > > Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so > it can't do that. > > > I might also > > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for > > a user who has never dealt with it. I'd still try it, if I could > > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff" > > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an > > educational background reason for each. > > > > I've not found such a tome. And folks seem to think I'm out of my > > mind to even try. That attitude on the part of what is supposed to > > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons. > > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good > tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the > pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki > at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful. ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank beginner who has never used an imap client before. But I'll look again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its done. > NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well > for you, but I'm very happy with it. > > Petter And I was confused, I meant dovecot, not icedove, and whose magic crystal ball issues these names anyway? :) icedove is of course t-bird, without the branding. Thanks Petter. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Some mill pix are at: Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 17:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH5V8-7UF-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161882 |
On Friday 18 December 2015 16:07:57 Gene Heskett wrote: > And I was confused, I meant dovecot, not icedove, and whose magic crystal > ball issues these names anyway? :) icedove is of course t-bird, without > the branding. Phew. Glad it wasn't me. I couldn't make sense of "Icedove", but there is so much that I don't know ..... Lisi
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| From | Petter Adsen <petter@synth.no> |
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| Date | 2015-12-18 18:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED] |
| Message-ID | <qH70U-8A-35@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #161882 |
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:07:57 -0500 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote: > > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of > > good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up > > links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're > > interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful. > > ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank > beginner who has never used an imap client before. But I'll look > again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper > printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its > done. That wiki might be better if you have specific questions rather than as an introduction. This is what I can find right now in my bookmarks: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/275/Setting_up_an_IMAP_server_with_dovecot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/ If you want to use Sieve filters: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve http://pigeonhole.dovecot.org/ https://secure.gold.ac.uk/sieve-new/howto.php You might also want to look at the ManageSieve plugin for Dovecot if you have a client that supports it. There is an addon for Thunderbird, and Claws comes with a plugin. If you give this a go and run into problems, just let me know and I'm happy to share my configuration files. AFAICR I found all that I needed to know for the basic setup in the two or three first links. On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:13:58 -0500 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so as > to maintain the order and merge it into one printable file? You might want to take a look at the wget man page, under the "Recursive Retrieval Options" heading. Petter -- "I'm ionized" "Are you sure?" "I'm positive."
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