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  [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> - 2015-11-28 16:00 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-28 16:20 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers mister.s.jones@gmail.com - 2015-11-28 16:20 +0100
      Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> - 2015-12-06 00:30 +0100
        Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-06 00:50 +0100
          Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> - 2015-12-06 01:50 +0100
        Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-06 01:00 +0100
        Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-06 09:50 +0100
          Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-06 11:00 +0100
            Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-12-06 20:40 +0100
              Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-07 02:20 +0100
                Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2015-12-07 06:30 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-12-07 06:50 +0100
            Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Gener Badenas <gener.ong.badenas@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 01:20 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-28 17:30 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-11-28 18:00 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers pascalv@sdf.lonestar.org - 2015-11-28 20:00 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2015-12-07 18:00 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers Gener Badenas <gener.ong.badenas@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 01:20 +0100
    Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers pjw <lists.debian@pjw.xsmail.com> - 2015-12-10 01:00 +0100

#161283 — [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

I currently get my internet connectivity, e-mail service, and web-hosting
service from the same provider.  I recently complained to my ISP about
backscatter SPAM I was getting from other people's infected machines
that were sending out SPAM to invalid e-mail addresses and spoofing me
as the sender.  (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email) for good articles about
these subjects.)  Their response was to suspend my e-mail access and delete
my web site!

I finally got my e-mail access back, but my web site is still down.
This experience has convinced me that tying my e-mail and web-hosting
to my ISP is a bad idea.  The two extra services are free to subscribers
to their internet access service, but I don't want problems in one area
to adversely affect the other areas.  Clearly that is not the case now.

So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could intercept
them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own posts.) 

For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and download
web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether implicit
or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.

Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or web-hosting,
selling information about me to anyone.

So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there anyone
you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay away from?
All opinions are welcome.

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#161285

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:49:47 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:

> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad? 

My domain registrations, email accounts and web site have been for years with GoDaddy; no complaint.

I normally download my mail every ten minutes with POP3, but when I go on a trip . stop automatic download, and can access it on their web-site.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
  La superstition met le monde entier en flammes; la philosophie les eteint.
                                                                 --Voltaire 
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#161286

On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> I currently get my internet connectivity, e-mail service, and web-hosting
> service from the same provider.  I recently complained to my ISP about
> backscatter SPAM I was getting from other people's infected machines
> that were sending out SPAM to invalid e-mail addresses and spoofing me
> as the sender.  (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email) for good articles about
> these subjects.)  Their response was to suspend my e-mail access and delete
> my web site!
> 
> I finally got my e-mail access back, but my web site is still down.
> This experience has convinced me that tying my e-mail and web-hosting
> to my ISP is a bad idea.  The two extra services are free to subscribers
> to their internet access service, but I don't want problems in one area
> to adversely affect the other areas.  Clearly that is not the case now.
> 
> So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
> For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
> backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
> me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
> all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
> the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
> in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could intercept
> them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
> lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list to
> which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own posts.)
> 
> For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and download
> web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether
> implicit or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the
> internet cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
> 
> Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
> providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
> there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
> consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or
> web-hosting, selling information about me to anyone.
> 
> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there
> anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay
> away from? All opinions are welcome.


 I personally have been here for years and I like them 

 	http://debian-hosting.info/

 Prices are reasonable and service has been great. 

 LostSon 

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#161587

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
>> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there
>> anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay
>> away from? All opinions are welcome.
> 
> I personally have been here for years and I like them 
> 
> 	http://debian-hosting.info/
> 
>  Prices are reasonable and service has been great. 

I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But I must
admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.

My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just pure
information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a business
trying to set up a web site so that customers can order stuff from me.
I just want to publish free information for the public.  It's mostly tech
stuff about Debian.

When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP to upload
and download files.  By convention, the home page was "index.htm".  Any other
pages could be linked to from that page.  The only thing that I would like to
change is to use SSL-encrypted FTP, so that my password won't be sent over
the network in clear text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave
new world of web hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally
lost as to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is something
similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that out there?  Or can
I manage a debian-hosting account that way?

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#161591

On Saturday 05 December 2015 23:24:22 Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there
> >> anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to
> >> stay away from? All opinions are welcome.
> >
> > I personally have been here for years and I like them
> >
> > 	http://debian-hosting.info/
> >
> >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.
>
> I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But I must
> admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
>
> My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just pure
> information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a business
> trying to set up a web site so that customers can order stuff from me.
> I just want to publish free information for the public.  It's mostly tech
> stuff about Debian.
>
> When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP to
> upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was "index.htm". 
> Any other pages could be linked to from that page.  The only thing that I
> would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted FTP, so that my password won't
> be sent over the network in clear text.  I must admit that I don't
> understand this brave new world of web hosting.  Looking at
> debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost as to how I would mangage my
> account.  What I'm looking for is something similar to what I had before. 
> Is there anything like that out there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting
> account that way?

I ma assuming (or subconsciously remembering) that you are in the USA.  Is 
that correct?  

Lisi

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#161594

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 18:43:13 -0500 (EST), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> I ma assuming (or subconsciously remembering) that you are in the USA.  Is 
> that correct?  

Hi, Lisi.  Yes, that's correct.  I hope you won't hold that against me.  :-)

Wow used to offer free web hosting to subscribers to their cable modem
internet service.  They decided to withdraw that service, so I'm
looking for a new web-hosting service for my web site.  If I can get it
free, that's great; but I'm not willing for anyone to run ads on my site.

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#161592

Stephen Powell writes:
> What I'm looking for is something similar to what I had before.  Is
> there anything like that out there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting
> account that way?

Looks like these people insist that you use a "control panel".  I have
my Web sites with Gandi <http://www.gandi.net/hosting/> using their
"Simple Hosting" plan and I manage them with sftp just as you did with
yours.  They use Debian.  I'm quite happy with their service.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#161600

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:24:22 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:  
> >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> >> there anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to
> >> warn me to stay away from? All opinions are welcome.  
> > 
> > I personally have been here for years and I like them 
> > 
> > 	http://debian-hosting.info/
> > 
> >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.   
> 
> I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But
> I must admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
> 
> My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just
> pure information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a
> business trying to set up a web site so that customers can order
> stuff from me. I just want to publish free information for the
> public.  It's mostly tech stuff about Debian.
> 
> When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP to
> upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was
> "index.htm".  Any other pages could be linked to from that page.  The
> only thing that I would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted FTP,
> so that my password won't be sent over the network in clear text.  I
> must admit that I don't understand this brave new world of web
> hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost as
> to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is something
> similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that out
> there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting account that way?
> 

Apart from the SSL bit, which is a specific question-answer issue,
there should be no trouble doing things the old way. I have a site
serving some PCB-specific information which is pure HTML, not a script
in sight at either end of proceedings. The pages are generated by a
script from standard gEDA symbol and footprint files, but here at home,
and the HTML is uploaded traditionally.

-- 
Joe

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#161601

On Sunday 06 December 2015 03:47:55 Joe wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:24:22 -0500 (EST)
>
> Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> > >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> > >> there anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to
> > >> warn me to stay away from? All opinions are welcome.
> > >
> > > I personally have been here for years and I like them
> > >
> > > 	http://debian-hosting.info/
> > >
> > >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.
> >
> > I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But
> > I must admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
> >
> > My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just
> > pure information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a
> > business trying to set up a web site so that customers can order
> > stuff from me. I just want to publish free information for the
> > public.  It's mostly tech stuff about Debian.
> >
> > When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP
> > to upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was
> > "index.htm".  Any other pages could be linked to from that page. 
> > The only thing that I would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted
> > FTP, so that my password won't be sent over the network in clear
> > text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave new world of
> > web hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost
> > as to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is
> > something similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that
> > out there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting account that way?
>
> Apart from the SSL bit, which is a specific question-answer issue,
> there should be no trouble doing things the old way. I have a site
> serving some PCB-specific information which is pure HTML, not a script
> in sight at either end of proceedings. The pages are generated by a
> script from standard gEDA symbol and footprint files, but here at
> home, and the HTML is uploaded traditionally.

Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have a 
machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do.  Just don't 
put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in order to 
force you to put it on their machines.  The web site in the sig, is in 
fact on /this/ machine.  No fancy scripts, just apache2.  That port is 
the only port my router, running DD-WRT, forwards to any local 
address/machine, and its running in a login-less username sandbox and 
has been for quite a few years with zero security issues.  Nearly a 
decade in fact.

The downside is the slower up-link speed when you look at a pix or 
download something. Be my guest as the present traffic is only about 10% 
of my data cap.

The upside is no commercials except the front age pix of me & the missus, 
but now we are a decade & change older. And I am about 50 lbs lighter in 
deference to being a DM-II.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#161610

On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 04:57:08 -0500
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:


> 
> Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have
> a machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do. 

I have a server, running apache. There is no way on earth I would
expose it to the Internet, I know just enough about IT security to know
that I don't know anything like enough about IT security to run a
public-facing web server safely.

> Just
> don't put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in
> order to force you to put it on their machines.

I don't have a problem with that, my ISP doesn't block anything, I run
a mail server.

-- 
Joe

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#161618

On Sunday 06 December 2015 14:38:27 Joe wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 04:57:08 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have
> > a machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do.
>
> I have a server, running apache. There is no way on earth I would
> expose it to the Internet, I know just enough about IT security to
> know that I don't know anything like enough about IT security to run a
> public-facing web server safely.
>
Obviously you don't trust your router.  Mine has been reflashed with 
DD-WRT.  Nothing comes in that I don't let in.

> > Just
> > don't put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in
> > order to force you to put it on their machines.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, my ISP doesn't block anything, I run
> a mail server.

And thats a headache I don't think I want to contemplate.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#161620

On 7/12/2015 12:16 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Obviously you don't trust your router.  Mine has been reflashed with 
> DD-WRT.  Nothing comes in that I don't let in.

Sure, but that is assuming that DD-WRT is all good; which I would be
confident about.  But it also means that those that are "let in", well,
they'll interact with Apache and potentially there is a vulnerability
there that DD-WRT can do nothing about.

Cheers
A.

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#161621

On Monday 07 December 2015 00:25:17 Andrew McGlashan wrote:

> On 7/12/2015 12:16 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Obviously you don't trust your router.  Mine has been reflashed with
> > DD-WRT.  Nothing comes in that I don't let in.
>
> Sure, but that is assuming that DD-WRT is all good; which I would be
> confident about.  But it also means that those that are "let in",
> well, they'll interact with Apache and potentially there is a
> vulnerability there that DD-WRT can do nothing about.
>
> Cheers
> A.

I am not useing any apache2 module that has ever been exploited that I 
know of.  And its running in a sandbox with pretty high restrictions on 
security.  Even I have to jump thru a couple hoops just to add a new 
item to my page.

Thanks Andrew.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#161638

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On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Sunday 06 December 2015 03:47:55 Joe wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:24:22 -0500 (EST)
> >
> > Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> > > >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> > > >> there anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to
> > > >> warn me to stay away from? All opinions are welcome.
> > > >
> > > > I personally have been here for years and I like them
> > > >
> > > >   http://debian-hosting.info/
> > > >
> > > >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.
> > >
> > > I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But
> > > I must admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
> > >
> > > My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just
> > > pure information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a
> > > business trying to set up a web site so that customers can order
> > > stuff from me. I just want to publish free information for the
> > > public.  It's mostly tech stuff about Debian.
> > >
> > > When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP
> > > to upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was
> > > "index.htm".  Any other pages could be linked to from that page.
> > > The only thing that I would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted
> > > FTP, so that my password won't be sent over the network in clear
> > > text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave new world of
> > > web hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost
> > > as to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is
> > > something similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that
> > > out there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting account that way?
> >
> > Apart from the SSL bit, which is a specific question-answer issue,
> > there should be no trouble doing things the old way. I have a site
> > serving some PCB-specific information which is pure HTML, not a script
> > in sight at either end of proceedings. The pages are generated by a
> > script from standard gEDA symbol and footprint files, but here at
> > home, and the HTML is uploaded traditionally.
>
> Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have a
> machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do.  Just don't
> put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in order to
> force you to put it on their machines.  The web site in the sig, is in
> fact on /this/ machine.  No fancy scripts, just apache2.  That port is
> the only port my router, running DD-WRT, forwards to any local
> address/machine, and its running in a login-less username sandbox and
> has been for quite a few years with zero security issues.  Nearly a
> decade in fact.
>

Yes if you already have existing servers running 24/7 and dedicated public
IP, then no additional cost.  But if no existing server at home, renting a
service is cheaper.


>
> The downside is the slower up-link speed when you look at a pix or
> download something. Be my guest as the present traffic is only about 10%
> of my data cap.
>
> The upside is no commercials except the front age pix of me & the missus,
> but now we are a decade & change older. And I am about 50 lbs lighter in
> deference to being a DM-II.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>


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#161291

Stephen Powell writes:
> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> there anyone you wish to recommend?

Newsguy (newsguy.com) has handled my news and email quite well for many
years.  For Web hosting and domain registration I have used Gandi
(gandi.net) for years and had good service.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#161292

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:49:47 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:

>I currently get my internet connectivity, e-mail service, and web-hosting
>service from the same provider.  I recently complained to my ISP about
>backscatter SPAM I was getting from other people's infected machines
>that were sending out SPAM to invalid e-mail addresses and spoofing me
>as the sender.  (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing and
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email) for good articles about
>these subjects.)  Their response was to suspend my e-mail access and delete
>my web site!
>
>I finally got my e-mail access back, but my web site is still down.
>This experience has convinced me that tying my e-mail and web-hosting
>to my ISP is a bad idea.  The two extra services are free to subscribers
>to their internet access service, but I don't want problems in one area
>to adversely affect the other areas.  Clearly that is not the case now.
>
>So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
>For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
>backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
>me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
>all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
>the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
>in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could intercept
>them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
>lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
>to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own posts.) 
>
>For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and download
>web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether implicit
>or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
>cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
>
>Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
>providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
>there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
>consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or web-hosting,
>selling information about me to anyone.
>
>So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there anyone
>you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay away from?
>All opinions are welcome.
>

I have used Hostgator for a number of years. I am not a business, and
run 4 websites off my account. It costs me $10.00 US a month (Yes, it
is payable monthly.) I use what they call "Baby Croc". I have never
been hacked nor had the accounts frozen.

http://www.hostgator.com/shared



-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

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#161297

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015, Stephen Powell wrote:

> I currently get my internet connectivity, e-mail service, and web-hosting
> service from the same provider.  I recently complained to my ISP about
> backscatter SPAM I was getting from other people's infected machines
> that were sending out SPAM to invalid e-mail addresses and spoofing me
> as the sender.  (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email) for good articles about
> these subjects.)  Their response was to suspend my e-mail access and delete
> my web site!
>
> I finally got my e-mail access back, but my web site is still down.
> This experience has convinced me that tying my e-mail and web-hosting
> to my ISP is a bad idea.  The two extra services are free to subscribers
> to their internet access service, but I don't want problems in one area
> to adversely affect the other areas.  Clearly that is not the case now.
>
> So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
> For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
> backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
> me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
> all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
> the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
> in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could intercept
> them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
> lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
> to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own posts.)
>
> For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and download
> web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether implicit
> or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
> cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
>
> Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
> providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
> there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
> consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or web-hosting,
> selling information about me to anyone.
>
> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there anyone
> you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay away from?
> All opinions are welcome.

I have been using SDF since 2002 and am happy with it. It comes with a 
shell command line in addition to e-mail and web hosting.

http://sdf.org/?join

You may try "ARPA: Patron Lifetime Membership Level" ($36 one-time)

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#161626

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 09:49:47AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
> For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
> backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
> me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
> all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
> the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
> in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could intercept
> them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
> lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
> to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own posts.) 

I strongly recommend Fastmail. Although I don't agree with all
of their technical decisions, they run a very competent ship.
Prices are not bad, and they take security seriously.

-dsr-

-- 
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                there is no justice, there is just us.

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#161639

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On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com>
wrote:

> I currently get my internet connectivity, e-mail service, and web-hosting
> service from the same provider.  I recently complained to my ISP about
> backscatter SPAM I was getting from other people's infected machines
> that were sending out SPAM to invalid e-mail addresses and spoofing me
> as the sender.  (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email) for good articles about
> these subjects.)  Their response was to suspend my e-mail access and delete
> my web site!
>
> I finally got my e-mail access back, but my web site is still down.
> This experience has convinced me that tying my e-mail and web-hosting
> to my ISP is a bad idea.  The two extra services are free to subscribers
> to their internet access service, but I don't want problems in one area
> to adversely affect the other areas.  Clearly that is not the case now.
>
> So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
> For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
> backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
> me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
> all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
> the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
> in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could
> intercept
> them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
> lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
> to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own
> posts.)
>
> For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and
> download
> web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether
> implicit
> or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
> cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
>
> Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
> providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
> there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
> consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or
> web-hosting,
> selling information about me to anyone.
>
>
For Email, I recommend MXRoute.  This is their main website
https://mxroute.com/ but you may check promotion on below links

http://lowendbox.com/blog/mxroute-e-mail-hosting-starting-at-5year-with-2gb-storage-in-dallas-usa/
http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/69302/mxroute-email-hosting-black-friday-special/p1

They have good reputation among sysadmin people down at lowendbox and
lowendtalk.  Price is cheap at as low as $5 per year.

For webhosting, what if you use VPS instead?  You can control security
yourself and maybe install as minimal configuration as can be. If your site
is fairly static, maybe just install nginx and ssh, and don't put anymore
other service. I recommend Prometeus and BuyVM, also popular at
LowEndBox/LowEndTalk for low cost yet good quality service.  Packages can
be as low as $15/year

https://www.prometeus.net/billing/cart.php?gid=7
http://buyvm.net/



> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there
> anyone
> you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay away
> from?
> All opinions are welcome.
>
>


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#161667

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015, at 07:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and download
> web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether implicit
> or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
> cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
> 
> Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
> providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
> there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
> consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or web-hosting,
> selling information about me to anyone.

> > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just pure
> information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a business
> trying to set up a web site so that customers can order stuff from me.
> I just want to publish free information for the public.  It's mostly tech
> stuff about Debian.
> 
> When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP to upload
> and download files.  By convention, the home page was "index.htm".  Any other
> pages could be linked to from that page.  The only thing that I would like to
> change is to use SSL-encrypted FTP, so that my password won't be sent over
> the network in clear text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave
> new world of web hosting. 


Stephen, for email you can't do better than FastMail.  Everything you might expect from a long established and highly regarded provider that takes security and privacy seriously, with excellent spam protection, many advanced features, multiple 2FA options.

For the simple web-hosting FastMail's included "file storage websites" should meet your requirements, as you've described.
https://www.fastmail.com/help/files/website.html

So, advanced email + simple hosting for 40 bucks a year.  DNS included!

pjw

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