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  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 20:40 +0200
    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-09 00:00 +0200
      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 07:50 +0200
        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 08:30 +0200
          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-09 10:50 +0200
            Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 12:10 +0200
              Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-09 15:20 +0200
                Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 15:30 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-09 16:00 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 17:10 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-09 20:00 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 17:10 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-09-09 18:30 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-09 19:40 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 01:00 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-09-09 16:40 +0200
          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 12:10 +0200
        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-09 10:40 +0200
          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 12:10 +0200
            Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-09 21:40 +0200
              Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:50 +0200
                Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-10 14:40 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 00:00 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 00:30 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-09-11 03:30 +0200
                        Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 12:40 +0200
                          Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-11 14:20 +0200
                            Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 15:50 +0200
                              Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-11 17:20 +0200
                                Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-09-11 18:20 +0200
                                  Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 18:50 +0200
                                    Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2015-09-11 19:00 +0200
                                      Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> - 2015-09-11 20:00 +0200
                                        Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 01:00 +0200
                                          ERRATUM Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 01:10 +0200
                        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 08:40 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-11 23:10 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 00:20 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-11 23:40 +0200
                Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-11 22:50 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 00:20 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-12 01:10 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 01:20 +0200
                        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-12 12:50 +0200
                          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2015-09-12 15:40 +0200
                            Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 19:30 +0200
                              Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2015-09-12 21:30 +0200
                          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 19:30 +0200
      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 12:30 +0200
        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-09 21:50 +0200
          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 23:50 +0200
            Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-11 23:20 +0200
              Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 22:30 +0200
                Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-13 00:10 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 03:10 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2015-09-13 06:50 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 12:20 +0200
                        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-13 17:20 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-13 17:50 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 18:10 +0200
                        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-13 19:40 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-09-13 18:30 +0200
                        Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-09-13 19:10 +0200
                      Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 23:50 +0200
                Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-13 22:10 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 00:20 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2015-09-14 08:30 +0200
          Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:50 +0200
            Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 11:40 +0200
              Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 13:30 +0200
              Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-11 23:30 +0200
                Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 22:00 +0200
                  Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2015-09-13 22:50 +0200
                    Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 00:00 +0200

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#157587 — Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

On 09/08/2015 10:40 AM, Haines Brown wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>> On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>>> But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it is listed
>>> in neither. :-/
>>
>> Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.
>
> I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
> this line in sources.list:
>
>    deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
>
> I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:
>
>    # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
>
> I get:
>
>    No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla

I use synaptic and it's there for wheezy, jessie, stretch and sid..

i386 
http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/oldstable/non-free/binary-i386/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php 


amd64 
http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-amd64/package/flashplayer-mozilla 

-- 
Debian Jessie - KDE 4.14.2  - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263

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#157596

Op 08-09-15 om 20:37 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> On 09/08/2015 10:40 AM, Haines Brown wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>>> On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>>
>>>> But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it
>>>> is listed
>>>> in neither. :-/
>>>
>>> Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.
>>
>> I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
>> this line in sources.list:
>>
>>    deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
>>
>> I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:
>>
>>    # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
>>
>> I get:
>>
>>    No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla
> 
> I use synaptic and it's there for wheezy, jessie, stretch and sid..
> 
> i386
> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/oldstable/non-free/binary-i386/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php
> 
> 
> amd64
> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-amd64/package/flashplayer-mozilla
> 

Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
"flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
flashplugin for Mozilla.

For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".

deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
use it.

You can update the flashplugins with these commands:
update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install

Better make a daily cronjob to do this, because there are much problems
with flash. I have removed it from my machine.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.




-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

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#157604

On Tuesday 08 September 2015 22:55:21 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
> "flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
> flashplugin for Mozilla.
>
> For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".

Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.

> deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
> use it.

Great advice if you are using your computer as an ornament or for something 
for which you don't need deb-multimedia.  Less good if you have a purpose for 
your computer and that purpose can only be fulfilled with deb-multimedia.

I was so desperate I was wondering why I didn't just buy Windows. ;-) 
deb-multimedia is a small sacrifice compared to that.

But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the TV, 
and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my 
husband's desktop.

Lisi

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#157605

On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the TV,
> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
> husband's desktop.
>
> Lisi

Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works 
without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are 
having problems watching internet video you should give 
flashplayer-mozilla a try.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.4.0 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda13
Registered Linux User #380263

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#157612

Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
>> the TV,
>> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
>> husband's desktop.
>>
>> Lisi
> 
> Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> having problems watching internet video you should give
> flashplayer-mozilla a try.

Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?

The only thing you need to do, is to update it. I use a crontab for
that. Something like this and it works for both Iceweasel and Cromium:

cd /etc/cron.d/
sudo wget http://vandervlis.nl/files/flash-update

This tries to update flash every day at 12:00.
No problem when no flashplugins are found.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

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#157617

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> >> the TV,
> >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
> >> husband's desktop.
> >>
> >> Lisi
> >
> > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
>
> Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?

Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.

I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and others I 
know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.

Lisi

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#157626

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> > >> the TV,
> > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
> > >> husband's desktop.
> > >>
> > >> Lisi
> > >
> > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
> >
> > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
> 
> Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.

You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.

> I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and others I 
> know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.

No problem with 4od here on two machines.

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#157629

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:12:57 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> > > >> the TV,
> > > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
> > > >> my husband's desktop.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lisi
> > > >
> > > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > > > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
> > >
> > > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
> >
> > Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.
>
> You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
> you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.

All three boxen are  different.  
One just plays.  With flashplayer-mozilla.
One I see an eternally turning white circle.
One starts to play and then stops and refuses to go any further until I turn 
adblock off.  I have no adblock.  I have even installed adblock so that I 
could turn it off.  When that didn't work I uninstalled it again.

On the Jessie machine, I installed Pipelight.  I was wading through seeing 
whether I could do anything about the dependencies that are suggested as 
potential problems, when flashplayer-mozilla was suggested, so I tried it.
>
> > I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and
> > others I know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.
>
> No problem with 4od here on two machines.

So that's three I know work.  One of mine and two of yours.  And I do in fact 
know of one or two others.  If you are saying that you have solved the 
problem, consistently, and you are very good at solving problems, in view of 
the number of people who struggle with this, it would be charitable to post 
your solution somewhere on line.

Lisi

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#157630

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 14:28:57 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:12:57 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > > > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > > > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> > > > >> the TV,
> > > > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
> > > > >> my husband's desktop.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lisi
> > > > >
> > > > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > > > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > > > > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > > > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
> > > >
> > > > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
> > >
> > > Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.
> >
> > You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
> > you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.
> 
> All three boxen are  different.  
> One just plays.  With flashplayer-mozilla.
> One I see an eternally turning white circle.
> One starts to play and then stops and refuses to go any further until I turn 
> adblock off.  I have no adblock.  I have even installed adblock so that I 
> could turn it off.  When that didn't work I uninstalled it again.

I have no explanations for the first and third experiences but can
reproduce the second one if I don't do what is described below.
 
> On the Jessie machine, I installed Pipelight.  I was wading through seeing 
> whether I could do anything about the dependencies that are suggested as 
> potential problems, when flashplayer-mozilla was suggested, so I tried it.
> >
> > > I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and
> > > others I know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.
> >
> > No problem with 4od here on two machines.
> 
> So that's three I know work.  One of mine and two of yours.  And I do in fact 
> know of one or two others.  If you are saying that you have solved the 
> problem, consistently, and you are very good at solving problems, in view of 
> the number of people who struggle with this, it would be charitable to post 
> your solution somewhere on line.

I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
video on 4od.

  https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/flash-player-11-problems-playing.html

Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.

For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.

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#157632

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
> machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
> what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
> video on 4od.

Bingo!  Of course.  That is exactly it.  But since it sometimes works, I am 
persevering in trying to get it working.  Channel 4 say that it sometimes 
works on Linux!!  If I can find out *why* it sometimes works and sometimes 
doesn't, I could be home and dry.

The second two are what almost everyone else I know gets.  Jimmy's suggestion 
and its working on my desktop was a revelation.

Lisi

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#157642

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 16:02:57 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> > I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
> > machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
> > what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
> > video on 4od.
> 
> Bingo!  Of course.  That is exactly it.  But since it sometimes works, I am 
> persevering in trying to get it working.  Channel 4 say that it sometimes 
> works on Linux!!  If I can find out *why* it sometimes works and sometimes 
> doesn't, I could be home and dry.

I am convinced the HAL packages are required for flash with 4od, if only
because the only machine I do not have them on doesn't play programmes.
 
> The second two are what almost everyone else I know gets.  Jimmy's suggestion 
> and its working on my desktop was a revelation.

I cannot see what flashplayer-mozilla brings to the party that is not
contained in flashplugin-nonfree. Both have libflashplayer, which is
the essential library needed, and both are up-to-date. After that, it
is window dressing.

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#157633

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.

Sorry - I should have said.  I shall check for those.  I definitely have HAL, 
and shall check for the others.

Lisi

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#157635

Quoting Brian (ad44@cityscape.co.uk):

> Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.
> 
> For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
> PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.

I used to have HAL on lenny and squeeze. When I first upgraded wheezy
on my laptop, it wouldn't come back up when the lid was reopened.
Removing HAL (deprecated in favour of udev) fixed it. I can't see hal
in jessie but it is in sid. Is that because there's a fresh
incarnation, or is it just a survivalist?

Cheers,
David.

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#157640

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:24:32 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> Quoting Brian (ad44@cityscape.co.uk):
> 
> > Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> > but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.
> > 
> > For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
> > PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.
> 
> I used to have HAL on lenny and squeeze. When I first upgraded wheezy
> on my laptop, it wouldn't come back up when the lid was reopened.
> Removing HAL (deprecated in favour of udev) fixed it. I can't see hal
> in jessie but it is in sid. Is that because there's a fresh
> incarnation, or is it just a survivalist?

My understanding is that HAL has gone from Debian, never to return. The
sid package is for the unofficial m68k port only.

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#159286

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
> machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
> what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
> video on 4od.
>
>  
> https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/flash-player-11-problems-playing.
>html
>
> Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.
>
> For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
> PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.

I just did a new installation of Wheezy, installed just HAL, and installed 
flashplugin-nonfree.  4oD is working.  Whether usably remains to be seen, 
because it is running on a rather old and slow machine.

This week I am going to try this (install Wheezy, install HAL, install 
flashplugin-nonfree) on my TV machine, and will again report back.  Provided 
that I can find a no-rugby day.  I can't put the machine out of action on a 
rugby day.

Lisi

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#157631

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:28:57 +0100
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:12:57 Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> > > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
>> > > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> > > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
>> > > >> the TV,
>> > > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
>> > > >> my husband's desktop.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Lisi
>> > > >
>> > > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
>> > > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
>> > > > having problems watching internet video you should give
>> > > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
>> > >
>> > > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
>> >
>> > Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.
>>
>> You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
>> you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.
>
>All three boxen are  different.  
>One just plays.  With flashplayer-mozilla.
>One I see an eternally turning white circle.
>One starts to play and then stops and refuses to go any further until I turn 
>adblock off.  I have no adblock.  I have even installed adblock so that I 
>could turn it off.  When that didn't work I uninstalled it again.
>
>On the Jessie machine, I installed Pipelight.  I was wading through seeing 
>whether I could do anything about the dependencies that are suggested as 
>potential problems, when flashplayer-mozilla was suggested, so I tried it.
>>
>> > I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and
>> > others I know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.
>>
>> No problem with 4od here on two machines.
>
>So that's three I know work.  One of mine and two of yours.  And I do in fact 
>know of one or two others.  If you are saying that you have solved the 
>problem, consistently, and you are very good at solving problems, in view of 
>the number of people who struggle with this, it would be charitable to post 
>your solution somewhere on line.
>
>Lisi
>

One of the things I noticed was that the flashplayer was present in
Wheezy and Stretch when Jessie became stable. For whatever reason,
Jessie Stable is missing the file. Pinning the player from Stretch
works, though.

-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

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#157616

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 07:20:31 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the
> > TV, and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
> > my husband's desktop.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> having problems watching internet video you should give
> flashplayer-mozilla a try.

Thanks, Jimmy.  I tried it immediately, and it works without a problem on my 
desktop.  (Which isn't where I want it.  Murphy's law.)

It doesn't work on my husband's desktop.  I haven't yet done the 
trouble-shooting.

And I really want it on my TV, but I have to edit the sources list.

Lisi

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#157611

Op 09-09-15 om 07:43 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> On Tuesday 08 September 2015 22:55:21 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
>> "flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
>> flashplugin for Mozilla.
>>
>> For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".
> 
> Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.

I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
it, but I think you are wrong.

flashplugin-nonfree and pepperflashplugin-nonfree are installing the
original plugins from Adobe and Google.

>> deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
>> use it.
> 
> Great advice if you are using your computer as an ornament or for something 
> for which you don't need deb-multimedia.  

For what do you need it?  Everything is in Debian itself.

The only thing I know, is that it's useable for libdvdcss2.
But you can play most DVD's without libdvdcss2.

> Less good if you have a purpose for 
> your computer and that purpose can only be fulfilled with deb-multimedia.

What kind of special things are you doing with your computer?

I am a sysadmin and I help many people with Debian computers.
Nobody needs deb-multimedia.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

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#157618

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:34:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.
>
> I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
> it, but I think you are wrong.

How can you possibly have a valid opinion when you can't test it?  It is you 
who are wrong.  Everyone here, who can in theory get it, has problems on 
Linux, which the channel acknowledges.

Even flashplayer-mozilla is still not working on my husband's desktop.

Lisi

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#157648

Op 09-09-15 om 12:04 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:34:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>>> Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.
>>
>> I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
>> it, but I think you are wrong.
> 
> How can you possibly have a valid opinion when you can't test it?  

It's my job for the last 15 years.

> It is you 
> who are wrong.  Everyone here, who can in theory get it, has problems on 
> Linux, which the channel acknowledges.

Ah, so it has nothing to do with the choice between flashplayer-mozilla
and flashplugin-nonfree? That was my opinion about.

Yes, a channel can implement flash in such a bad way, that it's not
possible to look at it normally for Linux users.

E.g. here:          http://www.ookjij.nl/
But this works:     http://www.ookjij.nl/index_win.html

> Even flashplayer-mozilla is still not working on my husband's desktop.

flashplayer-mozilla will install the same flashplayer as
flashplugin-nonfree. But there is a big difference between the
flashplayer what't installed in Chromium. Chromium is better in flash.

For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On tablets
is no flash available.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

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