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  Adapter Names on Stretch Tim Tepatti <ttepatti@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:50 +0200
    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2015-08-26 19:10 +0200
      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-26 19:20 +0200
        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2015-08-26 20:10 +0200
          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it>  - 2015-08-27 09:50 +0200
            Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2015-08-27 10:10 +0200
        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-26 20:40 +0200
        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-08-26 21:00 +0200
          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-26 22:30 +0200
            Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2015-08-27 00:10 +0200
              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-08-27 01:40 +0200
    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-08-26 21:20 +0200
    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2015-08-26 21:30 +0200
    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-08-26 22:30 +0200
      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-26 23:00 +0200
        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-26 23:50 +0200
        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2015-08-27 00:00 +0200
          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2015-08-27 01:30 +0200
            Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-27 02:10 +0200
              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-27 03:20 +0200
                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-27 03:30 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-27 04:20 +0200
                    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-27 12:00 +0200
                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 14:40 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-08-28 15:10 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-28 15:50 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-28 16:10 +0200
          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-08-27 20:10 +0200
            Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 14:50 +0200
              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:30 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 17:50 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-08-29 00:10 +0200
                    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2015-08-29 08:40 +0200
                      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Matt Ventura <mattventura@mattventura.net> - 2015-08-29 09:30 +0200
                        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2015-08-29 11:10 +0200
                    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-29 17:50 +0200
                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-28 18:00 +0200
                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:10 +0200
                    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-28 19:00 +0200
                      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 19:50 +0200
                        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-29 03:10 +0200
                          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-08-29 03:40 +0200
                            Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-29 03:50 +0200
                              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-08-29 04:00 +0200
                                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-29 04:10 +0200
                                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-29 04:20 +0200
                                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-29 04:40 +0200
                                  Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:20 +0200
                                    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-29 12:40 +0200
                                    Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-29 15:40 +0200
                                      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 23:40 +0200
                                        Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-30 03:10 +0200
                                          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-30 06:10 +0200
                                            Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT] Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-30 07:30 +0200
                                              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-30 21:00 +0200
                                                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT] Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-08-31 03:50 +0200
                                              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT] Charles Kroeger <ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com> - 2015-09-07 09:00 +0200
                                          Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 21:40 +0200
                                Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 06:10 +0200
                      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 21:20 +0200
                      Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 23:40 +0200
              Re: Adapter Names on Stretch Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-08-29 00:10 +0200

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#156993

On 08/28/2015 12:57 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> But why should I be punished because I use static addresss defined in the
> hosts file?

Because that was the OLD way to doit. We can't have old no more. I DO 
have this dim weak hope that systemd will blow NM out of the water 
finally and replace it all with one config file that can be edited as 
needed by an aging old fart with minimal headaches. Yes, it is a sad 
commentary that I have come unwound to that degree. In a FAIR world, it 
would be that simple and Gates and Company would go penniless. :/ Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#157010

On Friday 28 August 2015 13:48:49 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 08/28/2015 12:57 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But why should I be punished because I use static addresss defined
> > in the hosts file?
>
> Because that was the OLD way to doit. We can't have old no more. I DO
> have this dim weak hope that systemd will blow NM out of the water
> finally and replace it all with one config file that can be edited as
> needed by an aging old fart with minimal headaches. Yes, it is a sad
> commentary that I have come unwound to that degree. In a FAIR world,
> it would be that simple and Gates and Company would go penniless. :/
> Ric
My sentiemnts exactly, but until the new way Just Works, which it hasn't 
come anywhere near doing yet, the old way WILL prevail here.

But if you want to compare our states of unwound, remember I have an 
almost 20 year head start on a young whipersnapper like you. ;o)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157011

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:02:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 28 August 2015 13:48:49 Ric Moore wrote:
> 
> > On 08/28/2015 12:57 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > But why should I be punished because I use static addresss defined
> > > in the hosts file?
> >
> > Because that was the OLD way to doit. We can't have old no more. I DO
> > have this dim weak hope that systemd will blow NM out of the water
> > finally and replace it all with one config file that can be edited as
> > needed by an aging old fart with minimal headaches. Yes, it is a sad
> > commentary that I have come unwound to that degree. In a FAIR world,
> > it would be that simple and Gates and Company would go penniless. :/
> > Ric
> My sentiemnts exactly, but until the new way Just Works, which it hasn't 
> come anywhere near doing yet, the old way WILL prevail here.

This is quite interesting/informative:

http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debconf15/systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm

In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#157012

On Friday 28 August 2015 21:38:12 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:02:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 28 August 2015 13:48:49 Ric Moore wrote:
> > > On 08/28/2015 12:57 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > But why should I be punished because I use static addresss
> > > > defined in the hosts file?
> > >
> > > Because that was the OLD way to doit. We can't have old no more. I
> > > DO have this dim weak hope that systemd will blow NM out of the
> > > water finally and replace it all with one config file that can be
> > > edited as needed by an aging old fart with minimal headaches. Yes,
> > > it is a sad commentary that I have come unwound to that degree. In
> > > a FAIR world, it would be that simple and Gates and Company would
> > > go penniless. :/ Ric
> >
> > My sentiemnts exactly, but until the new way Just Works, which it
> > hasn't come anywhere near doing yet, the old way WILL prevail here.
>
> This is quite interesting/informative:
>
> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debconf15/
>systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm
>
> In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.

So, is my wheezy install broken, it wants to know what I want to open 
a .webm file with.

I haven't run into such a critter before.  Please advise.

Thanks

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157013

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:44:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 28 August 2015 21:38:12 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debconf15/
> >systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm
> >
> > In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.
> 
> So, is my wheezy install broken, it wants to know what I want to open 
> a .webm file with.
> 
> I haven't run into such a critter before.  Please advise.

What video playing software have you got installed? vlc, mplayer, mpv?

I just wget the file (it's about 250M) then watch it with mpv, e.g:

$ mpv downloadedfile.webm 

from an xterm.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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#157014

On Friday 28 August 2015 21:50:44 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:44:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 28 August 2015 21:38:12 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debcon
> > >f15/
> > > systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm
> > >
> > > In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.
> >
> > So, is my wheezy install broken, it wants to know what I want to
> > open a .webm file with.
> >
> > I haven't run into such a critter before.  Please advise.
>
> What video playing software have you got installed? vlc, mplayer, mpv?

I believe mplayer is installed, but you obviously prefer mpv.
>
> I just wget the file (it's about 250M) then watch it with mpv, e.g:

250 megs? Its either very high quality or long, perhaps both.
>
> $ mpv downloadedfile.webm
>
> from an xterm.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157015

On Friday 28 August 2015 21:50:44 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:44:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 28 August 2015 21:38:12 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debcon
> > >f15/
> > > systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm
> > >
> > > In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.
> >
> > So, is my wheezy install broken, it wants to know what I want to
> > open a .webm file with.
> >
> > I haven't run into such a critter before.  Please advise.
>
> What video playing software have you got installed? vlc, mplayer, mpv?
>
> I just wget the file (it's about 250M) then watch it with mpv, e.g:
>
> $ mpv downloadedfile.webm
>
> from an xterm.

kget got it, but mpv seems to be missing from wheezy, so I installed a 
few more mplayer related gismo's.

Now I'll see if they will play it.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157017

On Friday 28 August 2015 21:50:44 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:44:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 28 August 2015 21:38:12 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debcon
> > >f15/
> > > systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm
> > >
> > > In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.
> >
> > So, is my wheezy install broken, it wants to know what I want to
> > open a .webm file with.
> >
> > I haven't run into such a critter before.  Please advise.
>
> What video playing software have you got installed? vlc, mplayer, mpv?
>
> I just wget the file (it's about 250M) then watch it with mpv, e.g:
>
> $ mpv downloadedfile.webm
>
> from an xterm.

I watched about half of it, but the eu accent made it pretty hard to 
understand.  Perhaps another day that hasn't been so long I might get 
more from it.

Thanks Chris B.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157033

On Saturday 29 August 2015 03:30:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> I watched about half of it, but the eu accent made it pretty hard to
> understand.

;-)

Now you know how we feel about American accents.  ;-)  Especially Texan.

Do you find an English accent hard to understand?  Most Americans don't.  And 
to be fair, I don't have trouble with New England accents.

And I can't understand all EU accents.  I can't even understand the various 
Irish accents.  And as for Glaswegian....

Lisi

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#157034

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:19:24 +0100
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:

> And as for Glaswegian....

Many years ago my work sent me for several months to Glasgow; for the first three weeks I could not understand a word of the conversations I could hear going on around me; then one day it clicked, and I understood most of it, apart from the vocabulary that took longer to acquire; (although a good knowledge of the King James was a great help in that direction...)

Most of the problem with Scots (and Gleska) for the English is the intonation, which places the emphasis on the end of the words, instead of the beginning as they do in the southern dialects.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                   When you have eliminated the impossible,
           whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
                                                 -- Sherlock Holmes
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#157040

On Saturday 29 August 2015 06:19:24 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 29 August 2015 03:30:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I watched about half of it, but the eu accent made it pretty hard to
> > understand.
>
> ;-)
>
> Now you know how we feel about American accents.  ;-)  Especially
> Texan.
>
> Do you find an English accent hard to understand?  Most Americans
> don't.  And to be fair, I don't have trouble with New England accents.

TBT it requires a great deal of concentration to get such short clipped 
speech "translated" on the fly.

Texan is of course a whole nother language to many, but with the rapid 
fire stacatto gone, every word does get pronounced for a sufficient 
length of time there isn't much doubt about what was said.

> And I can't understand all EU accents.  I can't even understand the
> various Irish accents.  And as for Glaswegian....

Chuckle, we have some imports from Minnesota in northern Iowa where I was 
born & raised, that we have referred to as Iowegians.  They personally 
are great folks, firm believers in the credo that if they don't feel 
like cleaning out the cow barn, they will not ask the hired man to do it 
either.  But the "olde english" they speak with a Norwegian accent does 
at times need a translator. :)

I am reminded of, I believe it was Winston Churchill who made the 
quote, "England and America, two great countries, separated by a common 
language."  How true it is. Ironic that the same text when read, sounds 
so much different than it would if the writer read it.  The text nature 
of the internet has served to greatly reduce the inter accent/language 
barriers immensely.  We should give thanks for that.

I also should say that as a single language speaker, I didn't go to 
school long enough to have taken one of the 3 languages offered, I give 
thanks that the defacto standard language for technical stuff, has over 
the last 50 years, turned into some form of English, primarily because 
its evolves with the technology at a faster rate than a really old 
language such as latin.  But some of the manuals for stuff now made in 
China do suffer greatly when translated.  We have for decades suffered 
thru the poor translations of Japanese we called Engrish, but I find the 
meanings are still hidden in the prose as if they were trying to draw a 
picture, requiring a second mental translation before a decent level of 
comprehension has been achieved.  Its there, but I find I have to read 
that paragraph 4 or 5 times to figure out the real meaning.  I think 
thats a natural thing because most dialects of Chinese and Japanese are 
in fact pictograph based, where "english" is not.

> Lisi

The bottom line is that we understand each other quite well in the 
written word, face to face over our favorite hot beverage is likely a 
different thing entirely.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157077

On Saturday 29 August 2015 14:34:40 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 29 August 2015 06:19:24 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 29 August 2015 03:30:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I watched about half of it, but the eu accent made it pretty hard to
> > > understand.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Now you know how we feel about American accents.  ;-)  Especially
> > Texan.

> I am reminded of, I believe it was Winston Churchill who made the
> quote, "England and America, two great countries, separated by a common
> language."  
<quote>
England and America are two countries separated by a common language.

George Bernard Shaw
Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950) 
</quote>
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/897.html

Quips are usually quotes from either Wilde or Shaw.

Churchill was, of course, half American.

Lisi

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#157088

On Saturday 29 August 2015 17:35:28 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 29 August 2015 14:34:40 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 29 August 2015 06:19:24 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 29 August 2015 03:30:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > I watched about half of it, but the eu accent made it pretty
> > > > hard to understand.
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Now you know how we feel about American accents.  ;-)  Especially
> > > Texan.
> >
> > I am reminded of, I believe it was Winston Churchill who made the
> > quote, "England and America, two great countries, separated by a
> > common language."
>
> <quote>
> England and America are two countries separated by a common language.
>
> George Bernard Shaw
> Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950)
> </quote>
> http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/897.html
>
> Quips are usually quotes from either Wilde or Shaw.
>
> Churchill was, of course, half American.
>
> Lisi

Thanks for clarifying the attribution.

He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our "loaned" guns 
back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were all 
collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel, and 
shoveled overboard.

The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those weapons so 
that the english might have something to defend your land with should 
the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding they would be 
tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no longer needed.
My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at auction 
today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They were his 
most prized firearms possessions.  He, and several thousand other 
Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill.

There are long memories, and there are lessons learned. It would not 
happen again today even if my cabinet is about average & I could spare 
one...

That is absolutely no reflection on you personally Lisi.  But I don't 
trust my government, nor yours, to ever do the right thing.

And that is indeed a sad state of affairs.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157097 — Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

Quoting Gene Heskett (gheskett@wdtv.com):

> He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our "loaned" guns 
> back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were all 
> collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel, and 
> shoveled overboard.
> 
> The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those weapons so 
> that the english might have something to defend your land with should 
> the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding they would be 
> tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no longer needed.

I think the idea of tracking small arms in private hands in wartime
Britain is a little unlikely, so I tried to follow up this story
because I've read it here before.

I can find references to an organisation in the US that collected
guns and another in Britain that is said to have distributed them.
(How? To whom?) However, no mention is made of returning the weapons.

Here are a couple of cut-and-pasteable extracts:

'The committee sent an urgent appeal--which appeared in the American
Rifleman magazine--for Americans to donate
"Pistols--Rifles--Revolvers--Shotguns--Binoculars" because "British
civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms
for the defense of their homes."

'Thousands of American arms were donated and shipped to the Civilian
Committee for the Protection of Homes in Birmingham, sorted for their
suitability and from there distributed to members of the LDV.

'Despite the lessons of the preceding years, the British government's
anti-gun paranoia remained undiminished and after the disbanding of
the Home Guard in 1944, their arms were collected and those not
considered suitable for storage as war reserves were disposed of in
1945 and 1946 by dumping them into the North Sea!'

and

"Send a gun to defend a British home.

"British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion,
desperately need arms to the defence of their homes.

"This committee has organized to collect gifts of pistols,
rifles, revolvers, shotguns and binoculars from American
civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defence of
British homes.

"These arms are being shipped with the full consent of the
British government, to the Civilian Committee for the Protection
of Homes, Birmingham, England."

But an interesting thing about the transcribed articles (as opposed
to the newspaper cuttings) is that they appear in documents bewailing
the folly of British (and, by implication, any) gun control.

> My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at auction 
> today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They were his 
> most prized firearms possessions.  He, and several thousand other 
> Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill.

All the references that I can find use the words donations and gifts,
not loans. In one case there is an individual who appears to have used
these two organisations to solve the problem of a legal way to ship a
gun to his brother in Kent. If it ever got there, perhaps he even got
it back!

Cheers,
David.

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#157102 — Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:07:44 David Wright wrote:

This is quite off topic, and I probably should have just STHU.

> Quoting Gene Heskett (gheskett@wdtv.com):
> > He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our "loaned"
> > guns back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were
> > all collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel,
> > and shoveled overboard.
> >
> > The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those
> > weapons so that the english might have something to defend your land
> > with should the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding
> > they would be tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no
> > longer needed.
>
> I think the idea of tracking small arms in private hands in wartime
> Britain is a little unlikely, so I tried to follow up this story
> because I've read it here before.

You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I do 
know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label 
bareing the owners name & address, well sealed against the elements.

I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may 
have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from "loan" 
to "gift".  Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by 
the winners.

> I can find references to an organisation in the US that collected
> guns and another in Britain that is said to have distributed them.
> (How? To whom?) However, no mention is made of returning the weapons.
>
> Here are a couple of cut-and-pasteable extracts:
>
> 'The committee sent an urgent appeal--which appeared in the American
> Rifleman magazine--for Americans to donate
> "Pistols--Rifles--Revolvers--Shotguns--Binoculars" because "British
> civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms
> for the defense of their homes."
>
> 'Thousands of American arms were donated and shipped to the Civilian
> Committee for the Protection of Homes in Birmingham, sorted for their
> suitability and from there distributed to members of the LDV.
>
> 'Despite the lessons of the preceding years, the British government's
> anti-gun paranoia remained undiminished and after the disbanding of
> the Home Guard in 1944, their arms were collected and those not
> considered suitable for storage as war reserves were disposed of in
> 1945 and 1946 by dumping them into the North Sea!'
>
> and
>
> "Send a gun to defend a British home.
>
> "British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion,
> desperately need arms to the defence of their homes.
>
> "This committee has organized to collect gifts of pistols,
> rifles, revolvers, shotguns and binoculars from American
> civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defence of
> British homes.
>
> "These arms are being shipped with the full consent of the
> British government, to the Civilian Committee for the Protection
> of Homes, Birmingham, England."
>
> But an interesting thing about the transcribed articles (as opposed
> to the newspaper cuttings) is that they appear in documents bewailing
> the folly of British (and, by implication, any) gun control.
>
> > My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at
> > auction today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They
> > were his most prized firearms possessions.  He, and several thousand
> > other Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill.
>
> All the references that I can find use the words donations and gifts,
> not loans. In one case there is an individual who appears to have used
> these two organisations to solve the problem of a legal way to ship a
> gun to his brother in Kent. If it ever got there, perhaps he even got
> it back!
>
> Cheers,
> David.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157132 — Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

Quoting Gene Heskett (gheskett@wdtv.com):

> You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I do 
> know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label 
> bareing the owners name & address, well sealed against the elements.
> 
> I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may 
> have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from "loan" 
> to "gift".  Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by 
> the winners.

That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19401112&id=vDFSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EjYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3629,1766022&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19401208&id=mChWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CuQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6924,2616059&hl=en

(The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.)

Cheers,
David.

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#157158 — Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

On Sunday 30 August 2015 14:50:54 David Wright wrote:

> Quoting Gene Heskett (gheskett@wdtv.com):
> > You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I
> > do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy
> > tag/label bareing the owners name & address, well sealed against the
> > elements.
> >
> > I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting
> > may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language
> > from "loan" to "gift".  Recall as always, that the history of a war
> > is written by the winners.
>
> That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals:
>
> https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19401112&id=vDFSAAAAIBA
>J&sjid=EjYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3629,1766022&hl=en
>
> https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19401208&id=mChWAAAAIB
>AJ&sjid=CuQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6924,2616059&hl=en
>
Both of those are seriously close to the bottom of the pile in what we 
call the morgue.  And while it might be possible to do some bit tweeking 
to clean up a blind offset plate, it would sure be a thankless job to 
rewrite those now digital images.

And its dates (Dec 1940 etc) mean that I was just barely 6 years old, so 
I obviously never had a chance to see those articals first hand.  So I 
guess maybe my grandfather may have said what he wished would happen.  
That would have to be a tad out of character for him IMO ubless he was 
horse trading. He rarely came back from town driving the same team he 
left with.

One thing he did pass down thru his 2nd daughter, to me, is a decent IQ.  
That daughter, my mother, was the only girl in the class on aviation 
technology at Des Moines Technical High School, in 1929. When a little 
boy asked a question, if she did not know the answer, she did know where 
the library was, so I was reading high school physics books by the time 
we moved to town to work loading ammo during WW-II. ISTR that was early 
in '42.

> (The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.)

Thank you for digging that up.  It does I believe, lay that story to 
rest.

> Cheers,
> David.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157502 — Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

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On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:30:02 +0200
Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:

> You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I do 
> know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label 
> bareing the owners name & address, well sealed against the elements.

He probably heard the expression: "lend-lease" and got it confused with what that
meant.

Americans are readily confused..and quickly become hysterical. A popular example
was that Orson Welles radio show about the Martian invasion..I noticed that is now
being revised to show a different story. (a tiny panic practically immeasurable
on the night etc. slate.com) How about global warming vaccinations abortions
weapons-of-mass-destruction and the 6th mass extinction now in progress.  No one
ever went broke underestimating them. (H.L. Mencken)

-- 
CK

I now start my wireless adapter card with: ifup wlp2s0  how fscked is that?

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#157137

On Sunday 30 August 2015 01:59:33 Gene Heskett wrote:
> He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our "loaned" guns
> back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were all
> collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel, and
> shoveled overboard.
>
> The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those weapons so
> that the english might have something to defend your land with should
> the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding they would be
> tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no longer needed.
> My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at auction
> today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They were his
> most prized firearms possessions.  He, and several thousand other
> Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill.
>
> There are long memories, and there are lessons learned. It would not
> happen again today even if my cabinet is about average & I could spare
> one...
>
> That is absolutely no reflection on you personally Lisi.  But I don't
> trust my government, nor yours, to ever do the right thing.

Gene, you are fond of this chestnut.   I could find no mention of it other 
than that some guns were destroyed at the end of the war.  David has done 
better.

Our government did not "borrow" guns.  Churchill did not "borrow" guns.  I am 
very glad to hear that the American RA  has learnt its lesson and will not be 
dumping its guns on us again.  We had an army and a very good air force to 
defend our land, and an ill-supplied and fairly useless, but very well 
intentioned, home guard, who were a menace and a danger quite often with  any 
arms they did have.

David, whose research has borne more fruit than mine, has found one 
contemporary case of a citizen who asked his brother for a gun and another of 
Americans foisting guns on us unasked.  He also found out about that 
Committee.  How many people were on the Committee?  Who elected them?  Who 
did they represent?  I have a deep rooted distrust of vigilantes.

I am glad that all those guns were disposed of.  I hate the idea of private 
citizens feeling free to shoot people, even Germans.  How do you recognise a 
German?  All those guns in America don't make you more safe, they make you 
less so.

I'm genuinely sorry about your grandfather's guns.  But if he had been less 
eager to foist American gun culture on the British, who would have had guns 
themselves if they had believed in them, he would not have lost his beloved 
guns.

So please, keep your guns.  I am glad to hear that you have no intention of 
sending then over here!

Lisi

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#157018

On 08/28/2015 09:50 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 09:44:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Friday 28 August 2015 21:38:12 Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2015/debconf15/
>>> systemd_How_we_survived_jessie_and_how_we_will_break_stretch.webm
>>>
>>> In fact, there's a few interesting videos on that site.
>>
>> So, is my wheezy install broken, it wants to know what I want to open
>> a .webm file with.
>>
>> I haven't run into such a critter before.  Please advise.
>
> What video playing software have you got installed? vlc, mplayer, mpv?
>
> I just wget the file (it's about 250M) then watch it with mpv, e.g:
>
> $ mpv downloadedfile.webm
>
> from an xterm.

Or just tell firefox to use vlc for webm files. Ric



-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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